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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:31 AM
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'Five Iraqi civilians killed' in SAS rescue operation
Five Iraqi civilians died in clashes surrounding the controversial operation to free two British SAS men captured in Basra, it was claimed today.

Iraqi police said the latest two died in hospital today after being wounded as British troops stormed a police station jail on Monday.

Iraqi police are reported to have taken part in anti-British demonstrations in the southern Iraqi city today.

But John Reid, the Defence Secretary, and Iraqi prime minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari insisted relations between the two countries remained strong.

"There has not been a fundamental breakdown in trust between the British Government and the Iraqi government," Mr Reid said at a press conference following talks between the two men in London today.

He said the strategy of the British Government had not changed, and it would work towards a handover of security to Iraqi forces.

"We will not cut and run, and we will not leave the job half done," he said.

(more)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/21/uiraqa.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/21/ixportaltop.html


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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:34 AM
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1. Apparently, that's OK
That's just collateral damage, like the child killed today by US troops. I guess those 5 Iraqi people were being used as human shields and so were fair game.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:49 AM
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2. Today's exchange rate is 5 Iraqi lives = 2 Brit lives nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:56 AM
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14. ITS THE OLD "THEY ARE ONLY RAG-HEADS"
EXCUSE </SARCASM>
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:29 AM
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3. rescued? - totally ignoring the pt that Brits were taken into custody
they were captured by the Police Authority...the Brits troops essential executed a jail break.


Yet, no discussion of Iraqi sovereignty here? Odd.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:58 AM
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4. the status of forces agreement
shoved down the throats of the puppet regime places all 'coalition' personel including civilians outside the reach of the iraqi 'government'. The 'civilian' mercenaries are not even subject to US/British military justice.
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:45 PM
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6. hhmmm...smells of the Platt Amendment
That's not an agreement, it's a condition placed upon a non-sovereign government by the de facto power, the occupier. It's invalid, as is the Constitution drafted under occupation.

Would we accept a Constitution written by "Americans", under the influence of the British, if we would have lost the war? Would it be our Constitution today?

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:15 PM
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11. Oddly enough
we force very similar status of forces agreements on every nation that we have military bases in. The Cabal did not invent the empire, they are merely ruining it :-)
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:55 AM
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13. oh yes, of course
this is modus operandi.

My only hope is that these little adventures will spell the doom of the United STates, and expedite the closing of military bases around the world, and the decline of the United States as an Empire. They squandered their time in supreme power. Time for a change.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:15 PM
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5. Does Sovereign mean "Slave State" now?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:46 PM
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7. Seems that way, yes.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:54 PM
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8. This violence has to STOP
This is insane. How many more innocents have to die? These people need to be stopped. I have had just about as much as I can stand.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:02 PM
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9. to use the Cold War terminology, Iraq is a captive nation...
Much like Hungary used to be.

After losing perhaps 20 million citizens in World War II, the USSR confronted the fact that along much of its European border were countries that had been ruled by fascist (and frequently clerical fascist) movements. These countries had provided aid and comfort to the Axis during Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union.

So the USSR (which before the war had been doing that non-expansionist "communism in one country" thing) decided to protect itself by effectively taking these recently hostile societies prisoner.

We used to complain about that sort of thing a lot. Nowadays, not so much.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:05 PM
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10. colonialist like India long ago?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:37 PM
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12. When Iraqis get killed or say something about it they're...
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 02:38 PM by pinniped
always called claims. I guess the reader is not supposed to believe them.

When GB or the US kills someone there are no "claim" disclaimers, ever. Never mind the fact you never see these dead so-called "insurgents" lying around.

This shit isn't anywhere near half done. Idiots.

--"We will not cut and run, and we will not leave the job half done," he said.--
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