US Tells China to Adopt Democratic Reforms

[buzzsaw_23]

US tells China to adopt democratic reforms
By Guy Dinmore in Washington
Published: September 21 2005 23:40 | Last updated: September 21 2005 23:40

In a policy speech reflecting strains in Sino-US relations, Robert Zoellick, US deputy secretary of state, on Wednesday night urged China to adopt democratic reforms and tackle its huge trade surpluses while evolving into a “responsible stakeholder” in the international system.

Mr Zoellick spoke frankly about the differences between the two powers, especially on the international stage, where he criticised China's “involvement with troublesome states” and its “mercantilist” attempts to “lock up” energy resources. While stressing repeatedly that the US sought co-operation, not confrontation, Mr Zoellick noted that uncertainties over how China would use its power would lead the US to “hedge” its relations.

Analysts said his emphasis on the Bush administration's attachment to freedom and democracy would heighten suspicions among Chinese leaders that the US-backed “colour revolutions”, from Ukraine through central Asia, were waves that the US wanted to drive towards their shores too.

“Closed politics cannot be a permanent feature of Chinese society. It is simply not sustainable,” Mr Zoellick said. “As economic growth continues, better-off Chinese will want a greater say in their future, and pressure builds for political reform.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/5c7fc8dc-2af0-11da-817a-00000e2511c8.html

Translation: Democratic Reforms= Capitalist plunder by the IMF and World Bank and transfer of funds into Wall $treet.

[tainowarrior]

1. China tells the U.S

<jiggling the U.S. debt in hand, with nukes in the background and speaking like Dave Chapelle in the REAL REAL world>

"We do reserve the right to F@%# you up."

[freethought]

23. This just in ! "China Tells U.S. 'Time to Pay Up!'" n/t

[Eugene]

2. China Rejects U.S. Call for Democracy

China Rejects U.S. Call for Democracy


Thursday September 22, 2005 1:01 PM

BEIJING (AP) - China on Thursday rejected a U.S. call to adopt
democracy, telling Washington to respect its communist path and
brushing off warnings of retaliation for its huge trade surplus
with the United States.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters he had "taken note"
of comments by U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick that
China's one-party system was unsustainable, but insisted the country
was stable and that communism had brought substantial benefits to its
1.3 billion people.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5295012,00.html

[buzzsaw_23]

6. That's pretty good

and China says, "No".


From d.a. levy
"Really"
                     the police try to protect
                     the banks - and everything else
                     is secondary"

[dmkinsey]

3. It's really mind boggling

but every time this administration starts criticizing anyone it's hard to know whether they're talking about China or themselves. Or Sadam/themselves.

But you knew that

[Born Free]

25. which version of dmocracy?

There is the American style of democracy we knew before the bush team took over and todays so called democracy after the bush team took over - China is probably confused, not sure which it is to consider.

[peacetalksforall]

4. Should China ask to receive the same kind of democracy as we

exported to Haiti? You know, the kind where we move in at all levels from a soldier to a World Bank contingent, then force a duly elected President on to an aircraft and escort him to another continent? A President who was duly elected? And then we let the massacres and hunger start all over again for their people?

Let the massacres begin - it's time to roll with the Cheney-Bush versions of democracy in China. The question is - will the current leader of China be sent to South Africa or Burundi or Tanzania or a tiny country where there are a lot of Chinese?

[Benhurst]

5. The United States can sell them Diebold voting machines.

Of course the next thing they know, Bush* will have been elected their leader and China will be named the 51st state.

[krkaufman]

7. wtf? can you say "hypocrisy"?

In a policy speech reflecting strains in Sino-US relations, Robert Zoellick, US deputy secretary of state, on Wednesday night urged China to adopt democratic reforms and tackle its huge trade surpluses while evolving into a “responsible stakeholder” in the international system.

>> ... urged China to adopt democratic reforms and tackle its huge trade surpluses while evolving into a “responsible stakeholder” in the international system.

*China* isn't a responsible stakeholder in the int'l system? Who's the axxhole that's been bucking all international treaties for the last 4 1/2 years?


... its “mercantilist” attempts to “lock up” energy resources.

Who, exactly, has China invaded in order to steal their oil?

Just ridiculous.

[AlCzervik]

8. Yes i'm sure China will be right on that!!!

My husband travels to China several times a year---it ain't gonna happen.

[spanone]

9. Did we say please? Who the F*ck do we think we are????

[Javaman]

10. It's an new and amazing world we live in now....

because of moron* we are now eating crow. Or in this case with China, they are telling us to eat shit. LOL

No longer are there the power plays of trade and or resources to coerce people into bending to our will.

moron* spent away all our money, reputation and power. Now any country, who sees us as the paper tiger that we have revealed our selves to be, can tell us to go fuck off or eat shit, or the basic and all time fav, drop dead.

Given morons* diplomatic skills, or lack there of, no one listens to us, let alone pays attention. Since the rest of the world knows now that our military is underfunded, undermanned, under supplied and over stretched, they can walk around freely deciding which part of the US they want to redecorate, without so much of a peep from us, because China, Japan and Korea have us by the balls debt-wise.

So when we tell them they have to install more democracy, they laugh in our faces saying, "the soviets fucked up, but we now hold the cards and their ain't thing one you can do to change that, you're a has been, spread your democracy and your freedom on the march bullshit elsewhere."

So as the shades are slowly drawn down upon the American 20th century residue, the Chinese are opening theirs.

colossal racist failure*.

[anotherdrew]

11. we should try that here too, but...

"uncertainties over how China would use its power"

If China started having elections and democratic politics, that would be even more "uncertain" who's to say they wouldn't elect militant nationalists? I would say that there would be a very good chance of that, since thats what we do in this democracy (diebold aside).

Anyway, Mr Zoellick has no business lecturing anyone about how to run their country.

[cassiepriam]

12. yah, look how well they work in the US....

[Waya]

13. China tells the US...

...you start, we follow.......

[Gregorian]

14. Sorry. We can't hear you over the machines.

We're busy. What do you want little Mr. George.
Oh, and don't be late on your loan payments.

[htuttle]

15. Bush is a fine one to lecture about 'sustainability'

He's the Asshat in Chief.

[Sandpiper]

16. China laughs at US and says

"What are you going to do? Not let us subsidize your debt anymore?"

[K-W]

17. As if our democracy is anymore genuine than China's communism.

Superfically populist states pretending to debate ideology when really they are just fighting over shares of wealth in the global economy.

Hmm, sounds familiar.

[Robeson]

21. Yup....

...nicely summed up.

[YapiYapo]

18. Do as we say not as we do (nt)

[superconnected]

19. does China go heehhehe or Hohoho

When the US tells them a funny.


I mean

"he criticised China's “involvement with troublesome states” and its “mercantilist” attempts to “lock up” energy resources. While stressing repeatedly that the US sought co-operation, not confrontation,"

and

"Wednesday night urged China to adopt democratic reforms and tackle its huge trade surpluses while evolving into a “responsible stakeholder” in the international system"

and

"Analysts said his emphasis on the Bush administration's attachment to freedom and democracy "

Even make me laugh.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. I can't even begin to comment on the irony.

That article looks like it belongs in the Onion.

[tom_paine]

22. Imperial Amerikan "democracy" has become Friendly Facsism

We have elections...with predetermined outcomes. (at least at the national level, I think we still elect our own dogcatchers)

We have Freedom of Speech, but the govt. can listen in to anything, anytime and can access your records without judicial approval.

We have a Bill of Rights, it's just meaningless and Der Fuhrer can incarcerate you for life without trial.

We have a thing called a "Supreme Court" but it is run by Party Hacks as beholden to Der Bushler as the Chinese Judges are to The Party.

We have a Free Press but they have (with the tiny exception of time during Katrina, now rapidly fading) neutered themselves into a Whitewash Machine and Lie Laundry that probably could compete with the Chinese State Media in the bootlicking toadying department.

And the Fox News and the rest of the Bush Sib-M<edia ARE a defacto State Propaganda Service, able to obfuscate any truth or launder any lie in a short period of time.

Actually, we are coming much closer to the Chinese form of government these days.

But we still have the window-dressing of the Old United States of America.

[VegasWolf]

24. China responds by laughing uproariously at Bush and telling him not to be

late on the debit notes he has borrowed.