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General Discontent Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:32 AM
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Bush thanks Austrailia as two lawmakers heckle....
Edited on Thu Oct-23-03 03:59 AM by DWolfman
President Bush responds after two Australian lawmakers heckled his speech today.....
click here!
And the hecklers had to be forcibly removed!

on edit:
"The Speaker of the House ordered that the parliamentarians be removed from the house by the Sergeant at Arms but both resisted efforts to have them removed." That is a very bad pargraph. Perhaps Rooboy can fill us in what became of the two parliamentarians...?!


Please Lord let there be video of this!
I guess our Dem lawmakers could use a lesson on what it means to be an opposition party.



D Wolfman
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:36 AM
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1. I love free speech
my ass, bush loves Free speech as much as we all hate tyranny
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:28 AM
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7. duh..
read literally, I don't think you mean what you actually wrote.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:43 AM
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2. The senators refused to leave and didn't get kicked out. n/t
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 03:46 AM
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3. Rooboy, do you have any more details?
If so, please post. Thank you.
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:35 AM
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8. the big news sites...
report that after the Green's eruption, the parliament gave Bush a huge standing ovation, which of course, is all that we'll see in next Fall's campaign ads. So 2 Greens got mean, Bush blows them off with a one-liner about free speech and enjoy a standing ovation. Now, we can view this with rose-colored glasses and pretend the standing ovation didn't happen OR we can see than once again, GREENS to more to HELP Bush than hurt him.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:13 AM
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11. If you bury your head in the sand enough
you could eat worms for breakfast.

So Greens are our enemy? Or is it that it's better to keep your opinions to yourself and not speak out when the oligarchy-protecting destroyers of the world pimp more countries?
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 04:05 AM
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4. 2 Greens senators
Edited on Thu Oct-23-03 04:06 AM by jonoboy
called out to George Bush to respect the Iraqi people and maybe then the world would respect him.

The Speaker Neil Andrew (a conservative) asked them to leave the chamber. They refused and he sent ushers over..and they sat and refused to move.

Dubbya said "I love free speech"..yeah sure, on his terms only.

Then Greens senator Kerry Nettle attempted to hand Dubbya a protest letter while government MPs tried to jostle her.

Dubbya was then introduced to Mark Latham MP, opposition Treasurer who has called John Howard an 'arse licker to Bush" and Dubbya the 'MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN THE WORLD'. George didn't look him in the eye and passed on.

Oh and a policeman that was manhandling protestors got bitten by his own dog.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 04:35 AM
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5. Bush faces hecklers in Australia - Mirror
Heckled inside the Australian parliament and jeered by protesters outside, President George W. Bush has defended the Iraq invasion and war on terror, saying Australia and the United States had to lead by example.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/24by7panews/page.cfm?objectid=13546528&method=full&siteid=50143
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:41 AM
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6. Australia ROCKS!!!
Meanwhile in America, it's all "support the president" from the party that oughta be on his case 24/7.

Hello, Democrats? This is what OPPOSITION looks like!

How foolish and sheeplike we look when compared to the rest of the world.

:freak:
dbt
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:55 AM
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10. Absolutely!
You are 100% right-on.
But I think that's starting to change.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:41 AM
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9. Who can possibly think that the world would be better off with Saddam Huss
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-bush-australia.html

Bush Heckled in Australia as He Defends Iraq War
By REUTERS

Published: October 23, 2003


Filed at 7:31 a.m. ET
CANBERRA (Reuters) - Heckled inside and outside Australia's parliament, President Bush on Thursday defended the invasion of Iraq during a symbolic visit to thank Australia for its staunch support in the war on terror.

"America, Australia and other nations acted in Iraq to remove a grave and gathering danger, instead of wishing and waiting while tragedy drew closer," Bush said."Who can possibly think that the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power?"

The 04 campaign slogan - ."Who can possibly think that the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power?"


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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:40 AM
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12. saddam may well return to power due to the 'slog' that bush* made...
need to think of a GOOD response to that shrub one-liner, which I am certain that shrub has practiced repetitively....

the one-liner response needs to be developed from two FACTS
1. Saddam is not dead.
2. Iraq is a NOT better off
3. WE are NOT better off (as rummy's memo notes,,,,we are MORE exposed to terrorists now, than before)...
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:50 AM
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18. We lose Bin Laden at the expense of Saddam
FUCK BUSH YOU BIN LADEN LOVER!

Lets all sing...

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
Bush don't tell me not to worry about Bin LAden...
Have you forgotten?
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Mal Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:42 AM
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13. The two Greens
have been banned from the parliment for 24 hours, apparently (do it again, and we'll slap your other wrist!)
Greens keep this up, idealism, standing up for what they believe in, and they might actually become a real opposition party, instead of the check on the two majors they currently are. (in the Senate)
In Labour's defense, apparently they didn't clap. Some stood silently, others remained seated. Apparently.
Which brings up an interesting point. The only reason we have footage of the two Greens is because of the US media. Australian media isn't allowed to film "unparlimentary behavior" in the parliment, so the news programs had to get the US footage. Ain't freedom of the press wonderful?
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:48 AM
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17. Thank the two green senators for speaking out
It was so sweet to feel like my views were expressed directly to shrub for the world to hear. I can't say I've felt that way in a while in the US by national politicoes. Taxation with out representation sucks. Anyway, if you like what they did - thank them.

senator.nettle@aph.gov.au

senator.brown@aph.gov.au

As to the interseting point, I don't understand the filming rule (I haven't been here long enough), but the ABC (public radio down under) seems to air parliment live when ever they are in session, and I've heard lots of "unparlimentary behavior" far worse than the heckling Brown et. al. dished out. If your in the minority, well then the majority views it as "unparlimentary" but if your in the majority, jeering and heckling seem fairly common (though still not filmed). It is not uncommon for someone speaking about some unpopular topic to be repeatedly drowned out by shouting etc, then called to order. It all seems more to do with culture than a lack of freedom of press, I mean the news was all over this showing it on all the stations, and culturally they have yet to divorse the queen down here, and most of the justice folks still wander around in wigs.
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Mal Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 12:19 PM
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19. Something brought in a few years ago
is that you can't photograph a politician in parliment without his permission (or something like that), because of the risk of catching him in an... er... 'unfortunate' angle (as can happen with still-shots).
And we have no intention of getting rid of the monarchy. It adds flavour to an otherwise increasingly coldly efficient world.

Rather than the direct parliment broadcasts (where boredom wars with contempt for the dickheads), I would suggest "Order in the House" on ABC TV, Sunday night (Monday morning) approx 1 am. Political analysis of the week gone, with a few dry observations.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:24 AM
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14. Interesting to compare how Clinton would have handled this
or even Raygun.



It just goes to show how limited and weak Bush really is. He didn't even attempt to defend his policy in impromptu remarks. He does what he's told, completely dependent on his prepared script. He's like an actor who's told to step on this mark and repeat these lines we've written for you but, otherwise, don't think. What a lame response! What a stupid, look-at-what-a-nice-guy-I-am expression! How could anyone this lovable do anything bad? What a stupidly high-sounding "I love free speech"! What's remarkable about Bush, and why he's so detestable, is how timid he really is. Hiding behind this bully bluff of boldness.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:24 AM
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15. "a grave and gathering danger"....
Noticed how they've changed "imminent" to "gathering"????? We're on to you there, buster...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:46 AM
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16. ...and Jeckle?
I kid you not, the first image that went into my head was of the two cartoon magpies doing all sorts of cartoonish cruelty to B*sh. Guess I never grew up. :silly: :party: :dunce:
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