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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:30 AM
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Blair falls into line with Bush view on global warming
Blair falls into line with Bush view on global warming

By Geoffrey Lean and Christopher Silvester

Published: 25 September 2005

Tony Blair has admitted that he is changing his views on combating global warming to mirror those of President Bush - and oppose negotiating international treaties such as the Kyoto Protocol.

His admission, which has outraged environmentalists on both sides of the Atlantic, flies in the face of his promises made in the past two years and undermines the agreement he masterminded at this summer's Gleneagles Summit. And it endangers talks that opened in Ottawa this weekend on a new treaty to combat climate change.

The U-turn will inevitably bring accusations that he has, once again, sold out to Mr Bush, just at the time that the US President is coming under unprecedented pressure to change his policy in the wake of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Last week the UK Government's chief scientific advisor, Sir David King, said that global warming might have increased their severity.

<snip>

Last night, Tony Juniper, executive director of Friends of the Earth, called the Prime Minister's volte-face "unbelievable": "Having failed to practise what he preaches, he is now changing his preaching to match his practice.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/article314991.ece
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:31 AM
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1. Just shows what the promise of a future with The Carlyle group w/do to ya.
What a whore.


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 02:25 AM
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35. The "Poodle" struts on a LEASH held by his master
THE CHIMPANZEE
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:02 AM
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45. Poodle is way too good a name for what this guy is.
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 11:03 AM by glitch
foul open cancerous tumor fits him better IMO.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:33 AM
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2. Blair is a Fool-Global Warming will render Britain damn near uninhabitable
Wait until the North Atlantic currents shut down.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 05:51 PM
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20. Uh-Oh. The Queen is gonna be pissed.
She summoned him some while back as she noticed Balmoral was getting a wee bit cold. Worse, her observations of flora and fauna concerned her. For a few minutes he perfunctorily mouthed some opposition to *dauphin and his merry band of demolition men but I guess Carlyle sweetened his golden parachute...
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:35 AM
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3. a major devastating storm can hit the UK this winter
it happened before

And the UK is one othe worst prepared nation in the EU. Then Blair will be blown with the wind.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:43 AM
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4. As I said before, the Carlyle Group does Blair's thinking these days.
The fact that George H.W. Bush was working for them while his son was president, while his son, in fact, was dramatically increasing defense spending—that seems to me one of the most blatant conflicts of interests in history



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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:44 AM
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5. Both bush and blair committed fraud in order to be reelected......
both should be impeached and removed from office.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:00 PM
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10. Blair committed fraud?
Wouldn't have thought he needed to. So many people stayed away from voting in disgust, and he got back as leader by default
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:54 AM
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6. This will destroy him
Just how much money was deposited in Switzerland for him?

This is such transparent toadying that he will be reviled far and wide. Does he really think he can hang on to power with ploys like this?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:11 PM
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7. Absolutely. People in Britain are quite environmentally conscious
and hate Bush. He is screwed.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 05:10 PM
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19. How much power does the British PM wield?
Can Parliament simply go around him or does he have totalitarian powers like our president has? Where does Parliament stand on this shift towards the right on the part of their PM? Are they kicking up a fuss over his leading them into an illegal war and now down the path to apocalyptic global warming, or are they like our Congress and just roll over for the executive branch?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 05:47 AM
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39. The prime concern of Labour MPs is getting re-elected
and, after that, promoted in the Labour hierarchy. Since Blair has said he's going to stand down some time before the next election, there's not so much pressure on him, since they know they won't have to make excuses for him next time. So most of them are keeping their heads on, not rocking the boat, and waiting to see how Gordon Brown turns out. Yes, they roll over to have their tummy tickled.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:10 AM
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46. John Major whispers in Blair's ear, "aye mate you'll be sitting
next to me at the Carlyle meetings"


Another cold blooded crock shucker
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:33 PM
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8. give them the evil eye ;-)
He dared go against Bush at the Gleneagles Summit, and look what happened to the London Underground the day the summit opened. It was so convenient for Bush, how the focus of that summit immediately turned to terrorism.

After that spanking, and no doubt a few carrots, little Tony has learnt to behave.
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I_am_Spartacus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:50 PM
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9. This article doesn't give enough information to criticize.
The quotes from the Rice thing are disjointed.

I've heard Blair say that when the most powerful economy in the world won't play by the rules, it makes it very hard for everyone else to play by the rules and that they need new strategies to achieve the same ends.

It's not clear from these quotes that that (sensible) position is inconsistent with his most recent statements.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:01 PM
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11. Blair is accused of Kyoto U-turn
PM moves closer to Bush's solutions

Juliette Jowit, environment editor
Sunday September 25, 2005
The Observer

Tony Blair was accused last night of backing down on the Kyoto agreement to tackle climate change after he confessed to 'changing my thinking about this'.

In comments earlier this month which have only just emerged, the Prime Minister talked about a 'post-Kyoto' era, appearing to predict the death of the multi-lateral treaty. A total of 156 nations have signed it, but the US, the world's biggest polluter, has refused to do so. <snip>

Instead, he talked enthusiastically about focusing on technology-led solutions, the process favoured by America, Japan, China and India, but rejected by environmental campaigners and other leaders, including Britain's own minister responsible for climate change minister.

He also back-tracked on his previous insistence that tackling climate change would not damage economic growth, warning 'no country is going to cut its growth or consumption substantially' - a phrase that echoes anti-Kyoto arguments of President George Bush. <snip>

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/story/0,9061,1578037,00.html



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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:02 PM
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12. Blair signals he’s cooling towards Kyoto
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor

TONY BLAIR has hinted Britain may pull out of attempts to draw up a successor to the Kyoto climate treaty because the economic price of cutting greenhouse gas emissions is too high.

The prime minister told an international meeting in New York he was “changing (his) thinking about this”.

“We have got to start from the brutal honesty about the politics of how we deal with it,” he said. “The truth is no country is going to cut its growth or consumption substantially in the light of a long-term environmental problem. To be honest, I don’t think people are going, at least in the short term, to start negotiating another major treaty like Kyoto.”

Blair’s words will undermine the efforts of Margaret Beckett, his environment secretary, who is drawing up plans for just such a new treaty. She is due to fly to Montreal in November to begin talks on the treaty, to take effect when the Kyoto accord ends in 2012. <snip>

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1796800,00.html
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:40 PM
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13. the poodle takes a crap, again! F-U blair!
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:33 PM
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14. Just making sure of his job with the Carlyle group
eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:02 PM
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15. tony is a Screwed Pooch..
I hope the British show him how relevant he is now.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:07 PM
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16. Everyone has their price, I wonder how much he sold out for n/t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:45 AM
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38. Maybe it explains some of that missing $9 billion in Iraq
The Chimp has been buying loyalty.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:47 AM
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40. Truthout article says it all - Carlyle Group pays very well for loyalty...
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:13 PM
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17. Tony "the phony" Blair
and Bush will be the death of us all. :(
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:16 PM
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18. Poodle bites...
Poodle chews it...

(from an old Zappa song)

:evilgrin:
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 06:38 PM
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21. Are Blair and Bush really human beings? How,after Katrina,Rita and the
other hurricanes we have already had and only half way through the season. can he say that?

How,despite scientific studies that show the oceans rising, glaciers melting can they believe that?

How can either of them look in the mirror to see a reflection of a souless,heartless piece of shit and not want to hurl blood?

Do they not care for the future of their children and grandchildren?

How the hell much money does a person need anyway?
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:11 PM
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22. Blair Falls into LIne with Bush View on Global Warming--UK
From the new World Media Watch up now at http:/www.zianet.com/insightanalytical
Tomorrow at Buzzflash.com


1//The Independent, UK 25 September 2005 15:37

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/article314991.ece



BLAIR FALLS INTO LINE WITH BUSH VIEW ON GLOBAL WARMING

By Geoffrey Lean and Christopher Silvester





Tony Blair has admitted that he is changing his views on combating global warming to mirror those of President Bush - and oppose negotiating international treaties such as the Kyoto Protocol.



His admission, which has outraged environmentalists on both sides of the Atlantic, flies in the face of his promises made in the past two years and undermines the agreement he masterminded at this summer's Gleneagles Summit. And it endangers talks that opened in Ottawa this weekend on a new treaty to combat climate change.



The U-turn will inevitably bring accusations that he has, once again, sold out to Mr Bush, just at the time that the US President is coming under unprecedented pressure to change his policy in the wake of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Last week the UK Government's chief scientific advisor, Sir David King, said that global warming might have increased their severity.



Over the past two years Mr Blair has consistently claimed global leadership in tackling what he described as "long term, the single most important issue we face as a global community" and has stressed that it "can only properly be addressed through international agreements". President Bush repeatedly expressed anger at his position.



Sharing a platform with the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, in New York this month, Mr Blair confessed: "Probably I'm changing my thinking about this", adding that he hoped the world's nations would "not negotiate international treaties".

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:11 PM
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23. I'm beginning to dislike him as much as bush, and that is a lot....
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:11 PM
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24. The Labor Party really chose the low road in going for Blair
It's a shame they don't oust him sooner.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:11 PM
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26. Well, at the time I suppose I could understand their desparation
Out of power for 15 years under their old platform. Guess they'd have tried anything to get a slice of the pie.

But what are they keeping him for? The conference started today and there's no sign of dumping him.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:11 PM
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25. Unbelievable, a craven pathetic Bush bootlicking toady.
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 08:09 PM by benfranklin1776
Although he was already finished politically he could have maintained one scrap of dignity by holding fast to the one issue on which he maintained some modicum of credibility. Now he rejects his own science advisor because baby doc Junior "gets angry" at his postion. :puke: :puke: :puke: This final gutter craven reversal must be the price of his admission to the Carlyle Group when he is bounced from the leadership of his party as he should be for this final career ending momentous idiocy.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:20 PM
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27. he hoped the world's nations would "not negotiate international treaties".
I think we can safely conclude that this man is insane.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:49 PM
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28. what a freak!!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:56 PM
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29. As nature's battering gets worse, Bush/Blair denial gets worse
It's way insanity works.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:13 PM
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30. I recently visited the Tower of London and wondered just how
awful a crime someone might have had to commit to become a permanent (but not long term) guest at this lodging. Now I understand.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:52 PM
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31. I've no doubt that the Bushits have some major shit on Blair -- I
remember reading something right after the 2000 'selection' that the Bushits gave Blair a visit and afterwards he appeared to be putty in their hands. Not even a shadow of his former self! Anybody else remember this angle?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:03 AM
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34. I don't recall, but there is something no question about it.
There are absolutely zero legitimate reasons why after more than two years there would be a total 180° turn.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:48 AM
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41. perhaps this lucrative future they're offering him?
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:53 PM
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32. I'm beginning to think that David Ickes might be right-
If the Bush family is really just a bunch of shape-shifting alien lizard-beings, it sure would explain a lot of what's been going on...

when elected officials oppose them, they get called in for a little shape-shifting demo, and suddenly they are completely on board.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:57 PM
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33. Wow, and I sort-of believed he cared about saving the planet.
He knows who his master is. Truly disgraceful and disgusting.

--President * repeatedly expressed anger at his position.--

--"Probably I'm changing my thinking about this", adding that he hoped the world's nations would "not negotiate international treaties".--
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:05 AM
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36. Carlyle Group...
think tank...:grr:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:39 AM
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37. The Chimp must have offered Blair some table scraps
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 03:39 AM by aint_no_life_nowhere
instead of his usual diet of Milkbone or Snaussages.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:49 AM
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42. a little more than table scraps:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:22 AM
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43. Herr Blair marches in lockstep no matter what the tune?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:43 AM
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44. Well, any of yall posters here from the UK
looks like you got a real POS PM just like the US has a POS President.

Maybe you could give the Queen back the power her ancestors had?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:46 AM
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47. Hmmmm......prayer can conquer all evil.
No christian right retoric here either.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:49 AM
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48. Stop Balir. You already have a job at Carlyle
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