Stakes in Iraq rival those in World War II, Gen. Myers says

[sabra]

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1137486.php

Stakes in Iraq rival those in
World War II, Gen. Myers says


Defeating the Iraqi insurgency is as important to the United States as winning World War II was 60 years ago, the Pentagon’s top officer said Monday.

Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, who will leave his post as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the end of this week, said the United States must win in Iraq because “the outcome and consequences of defeat are greater than World War II.”

During an interview with a small group of reporters at the Pentagon, Myers, 63, also said the Army is trying “to get the facts” about recent allegations of abuse involving U.S. troops in Iraq. “The people who made these allegations are known and are talking to the Army.”

On Sunday, Human Rights Watch released a report chronicling new claims of abuse, including charges that U.S. soldiers routinely tortured detainees to soften them up for interrogators.

[mike_c]

1. yeah, except that this time we're playing the fascist role...

...and can likely expect history to repeat itself unless we end this madness ourselves.

[rodeodance]

2. Myers does not explain WHY/HOW he beieves this--just makes a

claim that is the 'truth'.

....Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, who will leave his post as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the end of this week, said the United States must win in Iraq because “the outcome and consequences of defeat are greater than World War II.”

[saigon68]

6. WHAT AN ASS-CLOWN

I can't wait to see who is going to hire this Thug, and WAR CRIMINAL as a consultant --Lobbyist etc.

[blackhorse]

25. Aren't ...

these comparisons to World War II ridiculous?

I'm trying to think of one instance in World War II where the U.S. fought a sustained counter-insurgency campaign in a region it moved into -- the only thing even remotely close is the mess the Brits faced in Greece when they moved back into that country in late 1944, and that was just a little-remembered sideshow in terms of the entire war and what was at stake.

Hell, even in Germany and Japan, there weren't any insurgencies against the U.S. occupation unless one counts the feeble swipes of the Werwolf movement.

Cheers

BH

[saigon68]

7. delete dupe

[indepat]

12. Since Gen. Myers seems to have such little grasp of history, his unfitness

as CJCS has been colossal IMHO.

Edited for context

[calimary]

17. For Heaven's Sakes! General Myers has been just SO incredibly

spot-on about EVERY OTHER frickin' thing concerning this war.

Anybody know HOW he got to the position he's in? NOBODY has been more wrong, more often, about what's going on over there - except for maybe rummy, contradicta, dickie "last throes" cheney and the naked emperor...

:grr:

Did he pose in some catalogue and look good in a uniform, so Central Casting sent him out for this gig?

[cliss]

52. And notice,

he doesn't say WHY it's so incredibly important that we stay there. Come on, Weasel Myers. Why don't you tell us why it's so vital for U.S. interests?

Could it possibly be about oil?

[MADem]

54. He has his head up his ass

Shit, he is an argument in and of himself for returning to the days of the US Army Air Corps!!!!!

[pnorman]

5. Right on, podner.

The way I've sometimes expressed that same thought, was along the lines of: "Iraq DOES bear a resemblence to WW2. But then, about 300,000 American GIs gave their lives FIGHTING a "Tomorrow The World" ideology, not enforcing it!". I have a few other phrases in mind along the same lines ... "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!" is one.

pnorman

[mike_c]

10. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Strauch!

:rofl:

[MADem]

55. Heh, heh, heh!!!!

I had to look up that last word, you are funny!!!

How do you say "A Pretzel" in German?????

Lord, we need another one now!

[Sandpiper]

21. America, America uber alles

Uber alles in der Welt!

[Botany]

3. No quite General .......

Because in WW II we fought countries that attacked us or declared
war on us. Iraq did neither.

It is more like Germany invading Poland because they had taken
over a "radio station" and had WMDs.

[pnorman]

9. AND, as learned after the war,

those "Polish soldier who had attacked that radio station (frontier post?)" turned out to be German criminals. They were let out of prison, dressed in Polish army uniforms, and given their "mision". No surprise that there were NO survivors.

pnorman

[BlueJac]

4. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Myers...

I hope your daughter doesn't land that government job either.

[Greeby]

8. You still here, Myers?

Disappear, scumbag!

[Kailassa]

11. Threat?

Does anyone else read: “The people who made these allegations are known and are talking to the Army.” as a threat to the whistleblowers?

[ninkasi]

22. That's the way I took it

It does read like a threat, and the higher ups have a miserable reputation of punishing whistleblowers. After the pictures of Abu Ghraib, it's hard to believe they still need evidence of torture. They know damn well it's going on, because they ordered it.

[ToolTex]

31. Absolutely, what he meant. Got relatives in the old country?

n/t

[readmylips]

13. Did you know...per PBS documentary....

that old guy Homeland Security guru Chernoff is married to one of General Myers daughters?

Also, per idiot Bow Tie Tucker, the buy behind awarding Katrina and Rita's recovery contracts is none other than the guy who recommended Mr. Brownie shit to the job, (forgot his name but wears that stupid spiky hair). I almost fainted to hear Tucker shit making comments against his buddy little bush.

[calimary]

18. Would that be Joe Allbaugh? Former college roomie of "Brownie"?

This is such a huge nest of roaches that even Orkin probably couldn't clean 'em all out.

[readmylips]

19. Yes, Allbaugh. Also recommended Guliani and cronies...

to organized Iraq's police department. All they did was fill their bank accounts with tax payers money and did nothing in Iraq.

[Tempest]

14. AIPAC is going to have a field day with this moron

Somehow I doubt the Jews are going to agree with Oscar Myer on this one.

[thebigidea]

15. as if they'd criticize the Pentagon

[Tempest]

16. They have before, and recently

Another Pentagon moron made a comparison between Iraq and WWII, and was promptly bitchslapped by AIPAC.

[Nihil]

20. Not for just mentioning the war though

AIPAC don't mind the comparisons to WWII so much as long as no-one
uses the "H" word ...

[amagusta]

23. Myers meant to say, "Stakes in Iraq rival those in Vietnam."

[saigon68]

26. This is WAR CRIMINAL MYERS WORK

[0007]

24. The only differece is that the whole country & world was in back of FDR

and only 30% agrees with junior in the U.S. and no one else except perhaps the Brits are with us.

[DinahMoeHum]

27. ". . .greater than World War II. . ." ???? Yeah, Myers, you wish.

:evilfrown:

[fshrink]

28. And the idiot is FDR.

[onenote]

29. why do I suspect that something similar was probably said about Vietnam

[IMayBeWrongBut]

30. Stakes so high, he's going to retire?

That sure is a funny thing say before retiring.

[Canuckistanian]

32. Yeah, look at the Al-Qaeda Navy, Air Force and Tank Divisions

They've already taken control of half the world and their prison camps are massive. And I hear thay're working on a massive Star Wars-type death beam in their masive research facilities.

Can no one stop them?

[ToolTex]

33. Yeah, where are those pictures of Abu Ghraib that DOD is hiding?

n/t

[Moderator]

34. kick

[sabra]

35. Withdrawing from Iraq would mean inviting another 9/11: US commander

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=123171&cat=World

Withdrawing from Iraq would mean inviting another 9/11: US commander

US military chief in Iraq General Richard Myers, who is to retire on Friday, has said that the Iraq war had reached such a stage that withdrawing the (US) forces from there would mean defeat, and a victory for the al Qaeda, thereby encouraging the latter to launch another 9/11 on the US.

"If US forces were withdrawn prematurely and al-Qaeda dominated Iraq, then in my view we would have lost, and the next 9/11 would be right around the corner, absolutely. A victory in Iraq would be huge for al-Qaeda and their interests," The News quoted Gen. Myers as saying while addressing his last press conference ahead of retiring on Friday.

He added that extremists were using terrorism to try to break US will and drive American forces from Iraq. "As a nation, our best weapons are patience and resolve or, in one word, our 'will'. We simply cannot afford to lose the will to finish the job at hand," he added.

Myers' comments assume significance in the aftermath of last weekend's anti-war protests in Washington. Opinion polls in Washington have also showed growing public disenchantment with a war that has claimed the lives of more than 1900 US service members.

And who put us in this situation?

[tainowarrior]

36. no

it would mean that we would avoid another 9/11 disaster because we stopped intervening in their countries. Nobody wants to tape dynamite to themselves if the enemy has retreated and renounced intervention in your country anymore. I would think that even fanatical jihadists would rather get to work on radicalizing their society and promoting their austere version of Islam than strap a bomb on themselves for no reason.

And even if they do, we still have a right to defend ourselves and secure our territory and borders, without having to intervene in their countries.

GET OUT.

[Missy M]

37. So with his reasoning the only reason we have not had another..

terror attack is because we are in Iraq but if we leave Iraq we will have another attack. I guess that means we have to stay in Iraq permanently.

[Ganja Ninja]

38. As if staying the course will prevent one. n/t

[pinniped]

39. I believe these idiots don't proof-read the memos before they talk...

out of their ass like this.

If they did, they might be hesitant to sound like such an ass.

This assclown is retiring on Friday, who is the new * mouthpiece?

[MADem]

56. Pete Pace, the current #2

He will be the first USMC CJCS ever...

[TheCowsCameHome]

40. So long, Richard. You've done enough damage as it is.

Get a life, you Repug rumpswab.

[The Backlash Cometh]

41. "and al-Qaeda dominated Iraq,"

Al_Qaeda wasn't there before. So, now they admit that they created their own problem?

As long as we're shooting the moon in predictions, here's mine: If we leave Iraq and install a Democratically elected administration that understands foreign diplomacy; and if we start conservation programs and seeking green energy alternatives, will it be enough to *delay* a 9/11?

I emphasize "delay," because I think if we believe that it can be avoided altogether, we're going to be led down the sheep path again.

[jsamuel]

42. Fearmongering without reason - Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

geez

[leftchick]

43. so now we know the essence of the chimps** speech today

at 10:30 AM. I guess I don't need to watch now. :eyes:

[zbdent]

44. Nope, not another 9/11 since Bush took control

However, in Iraq, there's been plenty of 7/7s . . .

[rodeodance]

46. making declaritive statements of "truth' with nothing to back it up.

[zbdent]

53. me or Bush?

my "7/7s" statement is the fact that there have been plenty of terrorist attacks in Iraq, but there haven't been any more planes flying into American skyscrapers piloted by hijackers since 9/11 - a charge that all repukes seem to gloat over . . .

[acmavm]

45. Myers likes killing. He likes war. He's a senile blood-and-guts crazy

fool idiot.

[MADem]

57. So long as he is the shitbird leaning back in the cushy leather chair

in the airconditioned space, telling some other poor bastard to do it.

You think that chump gets his hands dirty? Hell no, he lets others do it all. He should sit back with a bowl of pretzels, like his boss.

[abluelady]

47. And We Win This War How????

Why doesn't Bush just declare that we won the war and bring home our troops. As Sen. Kerry said, terrorism should be treated like another nuisance. It seems to me that we are making it bigger than it should be by all the attention we are paying to it.

[mallard]

48. Re: By "right around the corner" does he mean...

... they'll stage another one like 9/11 if they have to, just to prove a point of 'necessity' - again?

[jsamuel]

49. And STAYING is inviting another KATRINA

[bushisanidiot]

50. INVADING Iraq meant inviting another 9/11..

in any case. Osama is happy AWOL Bush took out Sadamm for him.
Guess everything is going as planned..

[neweurope]

51. It's criminal to be lying like this.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[saigon68]

58. MYERS DOESN'T CARE

He's about to step up and collect the big bucks from Bechtel, Brown and Root etc

[anotherdrew]

59. like this: we still have a powerful American Bund org to destroy at home