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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:03 AM
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(Cuban exile terrorist) Posada could remain in U.S.
Posada could remain in U.S.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12753127.htm
An immigration judge in El Paso hinted strongly Monday that Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles would be allowed to stay in detention in the United States, said Matthew Archambeault, a lawyer for Posada.

On the last day of Posada's immigration trial in El Paso, lawyers for the Department of Homeland Security wrapped up their case with a short closing statement -- and without calling any witnesses -- Archambeault said.

''We're 99.9 percent sure the judge is going to'' defer deportation, Archambeault said. ``He is very satisfied with our case.''

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The U.S. government could have presented a much stronger case against Posada, calling witnesses to argue that he should be deported to Venezuela, where he holds citizenship. But by calling no witnesses, government lawyers introduced no evidence to rebut the testimony of Joaquin Chaffardet, a Venezuelan lawyer and Posada ally, who testified that Posada would likely be tortured if he were sent to Venezuela.


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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:08 AM
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1. Since we're now harboring a terrorist

does that mean that Cuba has the moral right to invade us ?

Well, so much for the Bush Doctrine.


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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:17 AM
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2. Cuba has shown great restraint re: 40+ yrs of US sponsored terra
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 09:18 AM by Mika
The Venezuelan courts (as well as prez Chavez) have promised not to deport Posada to Cuba.

The Venezuelan government issued a statement Monday ripping the Bush administration for harboring ``this self-confessed terrorist.''

Venezuelan officials also said no evidence exists that Venezuela would torture Posada and that deferring Posada's deportation would ``cynically twist an international treaty meant to protect innocent victims of torture into an instrument with which to shelter a terrorist.''

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Venezuela said three separate treaties obligate the United States to extradite Posada: an Extradition Treaty between the United States and Venezuela signed on Jan. 19, 1922; the International Convention on Civil Aviation signed in Montreal on Sept. 23, 1971; the International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings signed on Dec. 15, 1997.

''Venezuela once again calls on the United States government to follow the law and put the immigration matter in abeyance and proceed with the extradition case of Luis Posada Carriles to Venezuela where he is wanted for 73 counts of first degree murder,'' the embassy statement said.

Last week, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Ali Rodriguez Araque said, ``we are willing to put him in a house made of gold and feed him caviar, as long as he is tried in Venezuela, because there is nothing to indicate that we torture people here.''



Whereas there is documentation of US torture of prisoners (Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, etc.).


Venezuela said U.S. claims that they torture prisoners is hypocritical.

''On the other hand, there is ample evidence that the United States engages in the systematic torture of its own prisoners at the Guantanamo Naval Base, the Abu Ghraib prison and other facilities,'' said the embassy statement.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:34 AM
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5. Miami is full of terrorists who are pals of the Bushies
Old Bush pardoned one and the Shrub is about to set free another. Welcome to the Banana Empire!!

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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:30 AM
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3. Bush's terrorist pals.... Bosch, Posada, Contreras, Pinochet, Townley, etc
the list goes on ad infinitem. Info at the following thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1807809


Bosch-Avila, Posada's co-conspirator and terrorists pal


Bush and Felix (Che's assassin) chillin in the WH


Contreras and Pinochet (Operation Condor covered up by old Bush)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:19 AM
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7. Great info in that thread, Say_What.
Thanks. :thumbsup:


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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:31 AM
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4. United States of America: haven for a mass-killing terrorist.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 09:32 AM by confludemocrat
Tortures up and coming champ, the U.S., is now justifying harboring terrorists by supposedly protecting them from torture. There is so much evil rolled up in this bullshit, criminal "legal" behavior, I cannot believe that karma or god or simple fulfillment of a maxim (what goes around comes around, chickens coming home to roost, etc) would not visit some kind of judgment and justice upon this country.

Goddamn, how low can this country be dragged?
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:49 AM
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6. Make that " mass-killing terroristS." Old Bush pardoned one and Miami has
quite a number roaming the streets free.

<clips>

..Orlando Bosch, whose name is permanently associated with one of the first acts of airline terrorism, was feeling pretty cranky about the situation one sunny Friday morning in early October inside his beige stucco home in west Miami-Dade. Perhaps the white-haired pediatrician's ears were ringing a little too sharply from the declaration issued the previous day by Cuba's
National Assembly of the People's Power, denouncing him for the "cold-blooded murder" of the 73 people who died in a
Cuban jetliner bombing in 1976. Worse, the 75-year-old native of Villa Clara province had learned that the next day, October
6, millions of people would gather in plazas allacross his former homeland to remember the victims. And no doubt he would
once again be blamed for the despicable deed.

Cuba's Public Enemy Numero Uno, looking grandpalike in a white V-neck T-shirt, shorts, black socks, and brown buckle-strap shoes, glared from a wicker rocking chair in his living room. "I was absolved in civilian jurisdiction and later by a military court," Bosch growled, referring to acquittals that came during his eleven-year incarceration in Venezuela while being prosecuted for planning the bombing. "My participation in that act...," Bosch began and then stopped. "Don't ask me. Ask the justice system in Venezuela."

The justice system in Venezuela sentenced two of Bosch's associates, Freddy Lugo and Hernan Ricardo, to twenty years in prison. (The two Venezuelans were released from a Caracas prison in October 1993 after serving half their terms.) Luis Posada Carriles, an anti-Castro Cuban who trained with the CIA in the early Sixties and also was charged with planning the bombing, escaped from prison in 1985 and promptly joined the Reagan administration's covert military operations against the Havana-backed Sandinista regime in Nicaragua. After his last acquittal, Bosch returned to Miami without a visa in 1988. U.S. authorities jailed him because he was wanted for violating parole in 1974 in connection with his conviction for a 1968 bazooka attack on a Havana-bound Polish freighter at the Port of Miami. In 1989, after deeming him a terrorist and a threat to public safety, the first Bush Justice Department decided to deport Bosch but was unable to find a government (other than Cuba) that would accept him. Amid lobbying from Cuban-American political leaders, the Bush administration released Bosch in 1990 after he renounced violence and agreed to be monitored by federal agents.


http://www.ciponline.org/cuba/cubainthenews/newsarticles/mnt122001nielsen.htm

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:57 PM
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8. And the Bushistas think that other countries will cooperate ...
with 'terrorism' suspects? Not unless we have a gun to their heads when we make our demands. We are once again proving ourselves to be the chief terrorists.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:10 PM
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9. The US is no different from any other tin pot dictatorship
Our terrorists are immune from prosecution, while the real freedom fighters are labeled as terrorists.

May Posada get the justice he richly deserves, one way or the other!
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