Sheehan Meets With McCain

[ECH1969]

WASHINGTON -- Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan met with a prominent lawmaker who supports the Iraq war.

Sheehan, who calls the Vietnam veteran a "warmonger," said "he tried to tell us what George Bush would have said."

"I don't believe he believes what he was telling me," Sheehan said.

The Arizona Republican also seemed disappointed in the Washington meeting.

http://www.10news.com/news/5028580/detail.html

[sniffa]

1. see, she's not heLping!!

:sarcasm:

[AlCzervik]

5. snicker

:evilgrin:

[merwin]

2. "McCain said he might not have met with Sheehan had he known none of his

constituents was in the group."

Very kind of him.

[brainshrub]

3. At least McCain had the balls to meet with her.

You have to give him that. How many Democratic Senators have met with Cindy so far?

[Skip Intro]

7. It wasn't all just an innocent gesture on his part - c'mon. He dances on

the strings of the bush regime. Even meeting with her was some calculated effort to diffuse the turning on the war - dreamt up by the same bastards who put us there/here. He's a much a fraud as w and the gang.

[brainshrub]

8. Yes, and he still has balls.

I'm not a fan of McCain: He's an evil republican... a member of a political party that seeks to roll back human rights, coddles powerful corporations and advocates torture.

As far as I'm concerned, a good republican is like having Dracula as a legislator.

Having said all this: There are capable leaders among the ranks of the Republican party. McCain is one of them. I could sleep well with a McCain presidency.

[Generator]

10. No I'm more cynical than you

or the other poster saying he did it to help Bush. I think it's the opposite-to show that he "has more balls" than Bush..and all because he wants to be president. Nothing more, nothing less. McCain makes me cringe because I don't think he has any honor. YES he was a war hero..but his political moves..stabbing Kerry in the back again and again..refusing to defend his own family..not really taking on Bush on anything-when he could have.

[fudge stripe cookays]

14. Then , you scare the hell out of me.

McCain is a whore, just like the others. He just disguises it VERY well.

He still mollycoddles the assholes who insulted he and his entire family during the primaries, fer cryin out loud!

McCain as president would turn my stomach. He could have used his ex-POW status to some good. Instead he has sold his soul.

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[ninkasi]

24. I agree with you

fudge stripe cookays...a whore is a whore is a whore. After what Bush did in the Rethuglican primaries, smearing McCain and his family, I can't see how he can support the Chimp now. I'm sorry he was a POW, and sorry that he endured torture. That does not excuse his current position.

I'm sick of politicians who refuse to stand up for their constituents. If they are whoring themselves by catering to corporate interests, fine. Just don't expect my vote, or my money.

[Skip Intro]

15. As long as he didn't declare war on xanax, I could sleep w/ mccain as prez

too.

I voted for mccain during the 2000 repub primary in SC - initially doing my part to stop bush back then, but I grew to appreciate and respect him - for a while.

Tell me, how can you appreciate, respect, trust, or sleep well with a man who puts party loyalty above self respect, not to mention what's best for the nation?

[brainshrub]

18. What do you expect? He's a REPUBLICAN!

A person who puts his party above self-respect and what is good for the nation is the very definition of a good republican.

All I'm saying is that a hypothetical McCain presidency would not be that bad. It would be like getting accidentally hit in the groin with a baseball; As opposed to having your testicles electrocuted every day for a week.

At least McCain can speak in cohesive sentences.

[Spangle]

36. He is in the Bush firing range

Wouldn't that be enough for you to consider exactly what you do?

Politicans are human too. It's one thing to be in a war zone and be brave. Another thing to be standing there with your family and friends. The response is WAY different.

[still_one]

17. not me

anyone who sells the respect of his wife and family for political gain says everything about him as a person

[Ilsa]

21. I would certainly sleep better than with this one, but not "well."

I will always give him respect. I'll concede your point that he has balls. But he is also willing to kiss anyone's ass to get what he wants politically, so he isn't trustworthy.

[cliss]

32. Isn't it amazing?

I read that John McCain was a MIA in VietNam; was tortured by the Viet Cong for 5 years (?) amazing that he lived to tell about it.

And this man is still in favor of war? Another time, another place

but it's still

War.

What does it take?

[bullimiami]

4. that pasty troll has sold his soul to the devil.

and embraced him to seal the pact.

[Eurobabe]

12. Reminds me of a photo from Young Frankenstein

eom

[kevinmc]

13. Those Two Guy's on the Left of the Pict..........

Fat meet Ass

[Lindacooks]

31. Yep, the abused child hugging his daddy.

[ElectroPrincess]

6. I know a lot of people here despise McCain ... and some with good

reason. However, I want to believe that, deep down, McCain wants to be true to himself and his constituents.

I can only imagine what is left after the Right Wing Smear Machine chews you up and spits you out. It's different with Gore and Kerry albeit they paid a heavy toll. With McCain, he was figuratively gutted by his own party.

Now that would put a zap on your head for a lifetime. The mind-games that these right wingers can play with lies and propaganda can make some interrogation tactics seem mild.

Just my thoughts because he DID intercede personally for a member of my family. I've not ever seen any representative actually CARE in such a way - up close and personal in a kind and empathetic way - not before this experience and not after.

He didn't deserve what the right wing did to him despite the fact that I disagree with the *vast majority* of his conservative views.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

11. What do they have on him?

Seriously. What do the _bush junta have on McCain to make him act so against what seem to be his core values?

I don't get it.

[Massachusetts]

34. "McCain wants to be true to himself and his constituents"

Then someone better throw him a life vest.

[karynnj]

38. McCain at least had every Vietnam veteran in the Senate

publicly stand up for him to call the charges unfair lies ... because John Kerry IMMEDIATELY organized them to do so. Kerry also used his contacts in veterans movement to get more support. (Kerry's phrase was the charges were beyond cruel.)

This made his limp response of denouncing the SBVT a grand total of once - and then calling on Kerry not to use it, counting on Kerry's good manners to do so, is pathetic.

I think what McCain is afraid of is that if he did otherwise, the RW would do to him what they did to Kerry. The 2000 McCain slime was peanuts compared to what they did to Kerry in 2004. They also will have more to work with: McCain, by many reports was a mediocre officer before he was captured. He had one very major moment of heroism, which he's lived off since. He has a less than clean record - Keating 5 S&L scandal and his recent cutting the corners on his own McCain/Feingold: Kerry had a squeaky clean war service record even per the Nixon administration with plenty of praise from many officers - even some who became SBVT with 22 years of public service with no scandals.

[brentspeak]

9. McCain: All talk

No walk.

[IndianaGreen]

16. McCain was replaced by an alien when he entered the spaceship

How can anyone explain his insane defense of Bush and his policies?

[genieroze]

19. At least McCain knows first hand what war is like, unlike *.

[ElectroPrincess]

22. And here's a newsflash of reality ...

If we personally were as famous as McCain, I'd venture to say that 80-90 % of us would be POMPOUS.

These are politicians, it goes with the territory. Emphasizing his ego was part of the RW talking points that often resurfaces BTW.

;)

[genieroze]

25. I never said he wasn't an a-hole. lol

[acmavm]

20. Oh shit. The guy's such an egotistical ass he probably thought he'd

dazzle her with bullshit and intimidate her with his war record.

As I said earlier today, or was it yesterday? Anyway, f**k McCain.

[ElectroPrincess]

23. When did you serve in combat?

I'm just saying that whatever ZAPPED his brain to stand by Dubya is separate from his past.

I could just as easily say "f**k everybody who disrespects ANY honorable combat veteran."

This serves no useful purpose.

[acmavm]

26. When did you become queen of DU? Don't lecture me on this guy and

his military record. I was around when the sleezy opportunist was willing to sell his war record and everything else out for some campaign contributions and other favors from Charles Keating. He was a whore then, and he most certainly has done nothing to rehabilitate himself. He's allowed his wife and family to be slandered by a drooling idiot who has to be wired for sound just on the off chance that they might throw him a bone.

His past, considering how he has always been a pandering bastard willing to sell anyone and everyone out to the highest bidder carries right on in to his present.

Lecture someone who's stupid about Mr. McCain and his political record. I don't have the time, nor do I have the patience to put up with your drivel.

[ElectroPrincess]

27. You have your opinion and I have mine ...

I would not disrespect you ... well I would be more civil not to call your opinions drivel.

I tried to do a "turn about" but that doesn't work with you.

No my nickname is not royalty, only that I love to tinker with Electronics, therefore, Electro- (Electronic).

My pride can be overblown and for that - yes, I sin. However, you can also be honest enough to admit that you don't lack in the ego department either?

Best regards, EP

[acmavm]

28. No, I don't lack in the ego department. Not one damn bit when I know

what the hell I'm talking about. I had family, grandparents, aunts, uncles, living in Arizona when the looting of the savings and loans hit. And I know how people were hurt. And I know damn good and well how the tax payers bailed that mess out.

There are a lot of sources that I could point you to, but to keep it simple I'll just start you out on Wikipedia.

<snip>
In 1972, Keating began to work for American Financial Corp., a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought the Californian Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors' money, which Keating took advantage of. Some regulators noted the danger and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. Some of this may be due to the Keating Five, five Senators (Dennis DeConcini, John McCain, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle) who had received some $300,000 from Keating in the 1980s. They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corp., in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1990, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)

In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was "a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government." (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) The agency ultimately declined the request.

American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt in 1989; more than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings, in total about $285 million, largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution, a distinction apparently lost on many if not most of them until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln's losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

In 1989, Keating refused to testify before the House Banking Committee, "taking the Fifth".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating
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That's just for starters. McCain is a piece of shit, plain and simple.
Don't expect anything honorable from that man and you'll never be disappointed.

[ElectroPrincess]

30. Again, we're all entitled to our "view" - I can tell that you

have a strong emotional component connected with this person, i.e., you hate his guts!

To each his/her own. Good-nite. :-)

[MildyRules]

35. I'm with you

While I don't agree with all of McCain's political positions, he IS a hero, a very brave man, and definitely not a moral or physical coward.

[karynnj]

40. Why is he a hero? Why is he a very brave man?

I don't mean the questions insensitively, but why is he braver than the other POWs or every other soldier who fought? Other than when first captured, did he ever again have the option to change things.I did read Kerry's comments where he obviously agrees with you, but find it really hard to understand. (I find it easier to see Kerry as a hero, not to mention a more successful officer - putting himself at greater risk to save someone and leading a successful bold strike against the North Vietnames. Both involve ghoing beyond what he had to do. With Kerry, he was also Heroic in taking on Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I- all of which could have destroyed his reputation and future.)

[karynnj]

39. From his post - his reasons are based on things McCain

undeniably did - that hurt people and the country. What I resent is that the media has for at least 20 years treated McCain as if he walked on water and I, for the life of me, don't see why. He may be a very personable guy, but that only counts for so much.

[fudge stripe cookays]

33. .

:applause:

Yeah! What she said!
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[Rex]

29. Bush sent his son, Dumbass Sellout?

"I love you daddy! You may go potty now!"

[Algorem]

37. was just a photo-op for the worthless twerp McCain to use in '08 campaign

[TOOLZ]

41. Did they have cake?

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