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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:34 PM
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A Look at U.S. Daily Deaths in Iraq - 343 U.S. service members have died
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031023/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_deaths&cid=540&ncid=1478

As of Thursday, Oct. 23, 343 U.S. service members have died since the beginning of military operations in Iraq, according to the Department of Defense (news - web sites).

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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:37 PM
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1. how many since dumbass taunted "bring it on"
f-headed chickenhawk
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:40 PM
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2. 205 have died since Juniors "Mission Accomplished" speech
>>>On or since May 1, when President Bush declared that major combat operations in Iraq had ended, 205 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq, according to the latest Defense Department figures.<<<

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:42 PM
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3. Today NPR reported that only 105 had died since operations
in Iraquagmire had been marked "mission accomplished"....

I find that pretty interesting that they didn't get the number right.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:51 PM
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4. they are counting "combat" casualties, not all who have died
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:57 PM
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5. more than
before he said it

BASTARD
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:31 PM
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6. Don't forget the injured - numbers swept under the rug - see article . . .
Here is an article I found on the net about the injured. This explains why they are cramming the less seriously injured in barracks in Georgia - they have filled the military hospitals to the brim with seriously injured service men and women.

"Wounded and Weary," Bill Berkowitz, August 31, 2003

In a summer dominated by the Bryant sex case, Arnold's debut in California's recall election and the killing of Saddam Hussein's sons, no hordes of television cameras await the planeloads of wounded soldiers being airlifted back to the states, unloaded at Andrews Air Force Base, and stuffed into wards at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and other facilities. We see few photos of them undergoing painful and protracted physical rehabilitation, few visuals of worried families waiting for news of their sons or daughters . The men and women injured in Iraq and Afghanistan have become the new disappeared.

The men and women injured in Iraq and Afghanistan have become the new disappeared.

Liz Swasey of the conservative media watchdog Media Research Center (MRC) confirms this perception. "There have been no feature news stories on television focusing on the wounded," she says. "While there have been numerous reports of soldiers getting wounded, there have been no interviews from hospital bedsides."

The numbers of soldiers wounded in action are hard to come by. Since the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the Pentagon has put the figure at 827. But Lieutenant-Colonel Allen DeLane, the man in charge of airlifting the wounded into Andrews Air Force Base, recently mentioned much higher numbers in an interview with National Public Radio.

"Since the war has started, I can't give you an exact number because that's classified information, but I can say to you over 4,000 have stayed here at Andrews," he said. "And that number doubles when you count the people that come here to Andrews, and then we send them to other places like Walter Reed and Bethesda..."

Some journalists also dispute the Pentagon's official count. Julian Borger of The Guardian claims "unofficial figures are in the thousands." Central Command in Qatar talked of 926 wounded, but "that too is understated," Borger maintains. And in fact, a mid-August report in The Salt Lake City Tribune claims that Central Command has acknowledged 1,007 U.S. wounded. (The Pentagon did not respond to inquiries.)

Whatever the actual numbers of wounded, military hospitals are being overwhelmed. "Staff are working 70- or 80-hour weeks," Borger reports. "he Walter Reed army hospital in Washington is so full that it has taken over beds normally reserved for cancer patients to handle the influx, according to a report on CBS television." Some of the outpatient wounded are even being placed at nearby hotels because of the overflow, according to The Washington Times.

Inside these hospitals, there's no shortage of compelling narratives for the interested TV reporter.

For example, an accident in western Iraq threw Sgt. Robert Garrison of Ithaca, N.Y., from his Humvee, according to a June story by the Associated Press. He landed on his head, fractured his skull and slipped into unconsciousness. Garrison "can't speak at more than a faint whisper and breathes with the help of a tube jutting from his neck. A scar runs across the back of the head, and the left side of his face droops where he has lost some control over his muscles."
Sgt. Kenneth Dixon, of Cheraw, S.C., was in a Bradley fighting vehicle when it plunged into a ravine. He "broke his back, leaving him unable to use his legs." These days he's at a veteran's hospital in Richmond, Va., "focusing on his four hours of daily physical therapy."

What is it about the wounded that makes us uncomfortable? Why have they been left out of the coverage of the war by the broadcast media?
Marine Sgt. Phillip Rugg, 26, recently had his left leg amputated below the knee, caused by a grenade "that penetrated his tank-recovery vehicle March 22 outside Umm Qasr, nearly shearing his foot off."

The stories of these injured soldiers obviously straddle party lines and should sadden Americans from all walks. So what is it about the wounded that makes us uncomfortable? Why have they been left out of the coverage of the war by the broadcast media?

The consensus seems to be that the wounded are too depressing a topic -- and also that they might threaten Bush's popularity.

"The wounded are much too real; telling their stories would be too much of a bummer for television's news programmers," says Norman Solomon, media critic and co-author of "Target Iraq: What the News Media Didn't Tell You." "Dead people don't linger like wounded people do. Dead people's names can be posted on a television honor role, but the networks and cable news channels won't clog up their air time with the names and pictures of hundreds and hundreds of wounded soldiers."

Former L.A. Times television critic Howard Rosenberg reflects this sentiment, and adds that giving the wounded air time could be perceived as too controversial. "Since 9/11, there is a general feeling among many media outlets that they need to stay away from anything that could be interpreted as disloyal to the country," he says.

John Stauber, author of the recently released book "The Weapons of Mass Deception," says the war was sold on television as a sanitized war with minimal U.S. casualties -- which was exactly what the Bush administration tried to engineer. "Showing wounded soldiers and interviewing their families could be disastrous PR for Bush's war," he says. "I suspect the administration is doing all it can to prevent such stories unless they are stage managed feel-good events like Saving Private Lynch."

Tod Ensign directs Citizen Soldier, a GI rights advocacy organization. He thinks the failure to cover the wounded indicates an implicit loyalty to the White House, and a reluctance to address a failed Iraq policy. "The American media is by and large controlled and dominated by corporations that line up politically with the Bush administration," Ensign says. "They appear to be increasingly incapable of grappling with such a highly charged issue as the wounded."

<snip>

President Bush landed on the U.S.S. Lincoln on May 1 and declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq. Since that overhyped media event, the president has repeatedly visited with troops that have returned intact, and he has issued statements honoring the dead.
But the president has not shown up at Walter Reed Army Medical Center to shake hands with the recovering Robert Garrisons or Kenneth Dixons. Journalists should pay these visits for him, to tell us the stories of these men and women, whose problems will stretch into the coming years. And they should ask the president why he is so reluctant to see these troops he sent so confidently into battle.

originally published at Tompaine.com.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc2804.html
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:55 PM
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7. 343. How nice. That's the same hit the NYFD took.
One group dies in a heroic struggle, the second wandering the desert for no damn reason.
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Concerned American Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:14 PM
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8. The correct statistic is 199
And that is less than any other war in history if you consider the timeframe that this has gone on.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:30 PM
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9. To each mother who has lost a child
That is one more who died needlessly--- for Halliburton's (2LL's) Exxon's and Brown and Root's profits.

DISGUSTING.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:44 PM
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10. Hi, Concerned American. What is dead to you?
Last week two soldiers in a vehicle had a dump truck crash into and tip over onto their vehicle, crushing them to death. Are you suggesting that they are not dead or that their death doesn't count?

http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/wd.php

Vietnam didn't differentiate in how American military personnel died and neither should we. We've already surpassed Vietnam 1964 in terms of military deaths.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:57 PM
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11. how many US deaths in Bosnia? Kosovo?
:shrug:
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:13 PM
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13. I don't recall going into Bosnia and Kosovo based on total lies
. . . unlike our little foray into Iraq, which is totally based on lies and greed (and has NOTHING to do with "freeing the Iraqi people" from a tyrant and NOTHING to do with 9-11).

Remember the rationale for the war: Saddam had WMD that he supposedly could use against us in 45 minutes, according to Monkey-brain, or he intended to provide WMD to terrorists. Unless you know something I don't, there is no proof at all that he actually had actual, usable WMD or was in a position to use any WMD against us or that he intended to deliver WMD to any terrorist group. The "nucular" (Shrub's word) threat has been proven to be another lie.

So, even though U.S. lives have been lost in other military actions, the lives lost and the injuries in this one are 100% unnecessary. How would you feel if you lost a child, spouse or parent this way?



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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:16 PM
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15. agreed 100%
I was pointing those wars out to challenge the poster's claim that Iraq has had the least casualties of all our wars

it may take him awhile to do the math :-)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:01 PM
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12. Deleted message
I will save the mods from having to do it.

Don

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:15 PM
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14. ah, a ringer, I see. please cite stats to back up your claim
since nearly all of us here have seen the stats that say otherwise.

yours was an appallingly callous comment
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:39 PM
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16. exactly WHAT are you CONCERNED about???
IT CERTAINLY ISN'T OUR SOLDIERS.
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