Sec. of State says ice skating, piano occupied her during '60s (drugs?)

[Newsjock]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050928-1501-rice-counterculture.html

ASSOCIATED PRESS
3:01 p.m. September 28, 2005

WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she was too young and too busy to feel much effect from the social changes of the late 1960s.

"I was very young at the time of the counterculture. I was 12 or 13," Rice, 50, told an interviewer this week. "And I was a music major. All I did was play the piano and ice skate. And so I don't think I focused very much on the counterculture. "

Rice did not answer Fox News Channel reporter James Rosen's question about whether she ever did drugs. She suggested he return to asking questions about foreign policy.

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[evlbstrd]

1. Bullshit.

I'm one year younger, and had plenty of the "counterculture experience."

[az chela]

8. question

Why didnt they ask her if she was sleeping with her boss???She doesnt have a male friend and is always hanging onto the shrub,seems like they are closer than shrub and his stepford wife

[evlbstrd]

11. Because she might lie about that, too?

Just a guess.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Her parents could have sheltered her. Did she go to private schools?

[evlbstrd]

30. I don't know for sure, but I assume she did.

It would have had to be tightly gated. It was hard to live in a vacuum during that time.

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. Unfortunately, there were conservative kids who could have

gotten through without being touched by the times. If they had been kept in a sheltered environment and if that environment had a touch of arrogance and superiority in contrast to those "unwashed liberals," well, it would explain everything that we know about Condoleeza Rice.

[saigon68]

68. SHE WASN'T GETTING A BEAUTY TREATMENT FOR SURE

I COULD SAY MORE---- BUT I'LL LET OTHERS MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS

[sando]

86. No way

She is black and her parents would have had to have been living in a cave in Afghanistan not to have been aware of MLK's murder, and the many great things he did not only for Africa Americans but for all people seeking equality.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. I just can't picture it. n/t

[maxsolomon]

3. then she's a LOSER

if she's 50, she graduated high school in 73. she was aware of JFK, MLK, X, RFK, vietnam, watergate, etc. punk rock happened when she was a junior in college. 21. i graduated in 81, and i remember nearly all of that.

what a square. the republican party: alcoholics, squares, and prudes.

[wmills551]

60. Punk Rock?

Lets not mention punk rock in the same paragraph as MLK and JFK. Disco, perhaps, but not punk rock.

[maxsolomon]

66. punk was in 76-78.

she wasn't even out of college.

watch me mention this together: ghandhi & ethel merman

[Threedifferentones]

93. Ummm why not?

[cantstandbush]

4. She knows that if she had smoked pot, it would have made her wiser.

I can't see Condi on drugs. Drugs are for people who are looking to feel good and expand their minds. Condi wants no part of either.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. As a black woman, I pronounce that.....

Condi is a first-class, rose-colored glasses wearing c*nt!

[NorCalDem]

13. Wow, someone doesn't like our Sec. of State! :) n/t

[goclark]

43. Pronouncement ditto!

[classysassy]

65. I'll drink to that.

condi cola please.

[Wilms]

6. She "majored in music" when she "was 12 or 13"?

Hmmmmm.

[IChing]

7. Bullshit also, Denver was a very political hotbed in the early 70s

When she went to college and then got her masters
Denver and Colorado had a very strong civil rights, anti Nixon, counter culture at that time

In 1967, the family moved to Denver when her father accepted an administrative position at the University of Denver.

In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her B.A. in political science (cum laude) and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her Master's Degree from the University of Notre Dame. In 1976 she switched her party registration/affiliation to the Republican Party.

[Igel]

33. Are you serious?

She finished high school a year or two early, wrapped up her BA in 3 years, while taking grad courses? I assume she didn't do her entire MA in 1 year, just getting in all the required classes would be rough. And I'm trying to make reasonable guesses about how she shortened the time.

If so, I suddenly tend to wonder if she's not far from wrong. That kind of schedule, you either get sucked into the counterculture at age 13-14, and probably don't emerge for a while, or you're vaguely aware of it from some question on a test. (Unless somebody wants to be freeper-like, assume she did nothing, and her B.A. stands for 'black and admitted'.) Doing drugs a couple of time in the early '70s hardly qualifies as "counterculture".

[IChing]

41. When she was going to school for political science

Political Science's biggest talk was on Nixon and impeachment, South Afrika apartheid was also the talk of the day, now where the hell was she on that issue. Did she know who Steve
Biko was I doubt it. I got my Pol Science degree at the same time. A lot of local Black issues came up in Denver at that time.

I'm saying that even being busy in Pol Sci. you had to pay attention to what was happening on the planet let alone what was happening in Denver. Denver has a black population and a culture but I know her father never lived in those areas. She was in a bubble then as she is now.

I'm saying she's Uncle Ben's 10 minute instant white Rice which is not as nutritional as brown rice which takes much longer to cook and has better taste.

[TheDebbieDee]

42. "Brown rice takes much longer to cook.........

and has better taste."

LOL!

[Igel]

85. A discipline is one thing, a way of life is another.

You can study the counterculture and not be affected by it in the least.

I know lots of PhDs in Slavic languages that can't order a beer in any of them. But they can discuss crossover phenomena, the semiotics of case syncretism, or proto-slavic sound changes with ease.

If she was as busy as the way her c.v. was presented suggests, she had no real time to be black, white, or anything but a student.

Then again, I also have this odd academic view from the 1920s that culture, language, and skin color are correlated, but there's no causal connection.

[IChing]

88. Your right I had an Uncle on my X wife's side

Who was a professor and didn't notice anything happening in Nazi Germany in the 30's.
(true story and yes he did notice, died in a concentration camp in Denmark)
:sarcasm:
I appreciate your knowledge on what was happening in Denver without ever living there during that time.

But?

Why wouldn't she answer the question?

[DLnyc]

40. Sorry, but I find that resume a little hard to believe. eom

[northzax]

69. why is it hard to believe?

she's undeniably brilliant. She was a professor and Provost of Stanford by 35, not exactly a cut rate school, you know?

here's the wiki entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleeza_Rice

I have friends who did the Notre Dame Master's program in a year, it's the standard length for many master's programs in IR (the London School of Economics, for instance, has a 18 month program, the extra six months are field work, that can be waived with the right experience)

[Karenina]

81. And WHAT has SHE done???

Constance Baker Motley died yesterday. Please do check out what SHE did. :cry:

[northzax]

83. well, she's the Secretary of State

that's kind of a nice line on a resume. you may not like what she's done, but she's been damn good at it.

[Karenina]

87. That depends on your definition of

GOOD.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

62. Sheeit!

I went to DU in the 70s. There were drugs EVERYWHERE there. Pot, 'shrooms, mescaline, speed and LSCrazy. The counterculture was the only culture because DU had disbanded the "Greek Culture" on campus.

No way she missed a thing. No way.

[NJCher]

9. posts that make you go hmmm

So what's she hiding?

This is an oblique answer to a question. What doesn't she want to discuss?




Cher

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Should've skipped a lesson and seen her dentist about braces

She could eat an apple thru a picket fence

[Carni]

15. LOL! Funniest post I have read today!

And boy do I ever agree!

[ElectroPrincess]

26. Oh gosh, I was going to say something similar ...

Like too many "grateful dead" concerts left not enough time to get braces fitted. LOL

[Psephos]

63. I think I've read enough about Rice's teeth

It seems dangerously close to a racist caricature to me.

Far better to shred her on policy than on dentition, don't you think?

Peace.

[northzax]

72. I see it more as classist

than racist. makes it no less distasteful or pitiful to spend time commenting on someone's physical appearence.

[MisterP]

12. dub said he didn't "remember any heaviness" at college in the 60s

but Rice doesn't drink like a fish, the way Chippy does

[brentspeak]

14. Piano playing probably dominated her activities between Jan 2001

and September 10, 2001, that's for sure.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

56. The keyword is dominate

[defiant1]

71. That is without a doubt....

the most disturbing image I have ever had the misfortune of gazing upon.

Thanks.

:puke:

[democracyindanger]

16. Like anyone would want to chill and smoke with her. nt

[ElectroPrincess]

27. And don't even think about tripping with her man!

You may never come back to us? :evilgrin:

[daleo]

17. A non-denial denial

That's usually significant.

[tom_paine]

18. She lies. Like the rest of the Imperial Family Henchpersons...she lies

Probably STILL addicted to prescrip drugs, now that they are available in unlimited quantities...

[Solly Mack]

19. Right..the Civil Rights Era just passed her on by without notice

sure it did...no one in her house was aware of it I guess.

and, btw, Condi...civil rights was considered "counterculture"...so I guess that just didn't affect you in any way.

Let's see...Condi's from Alabama and didn't notice the "counterculture" of the 60's.

[Seedersandleechers]

20. Heck if she did LSD and pot she might have been a better person

[ReaderSushi]

23. Nonsense...

witness St. George...
but yeah, she does seem a bit uptight.
At least Furious George casually flips the bird to the press.

[MisterP]

38. * only did coke--no hippie drugs for that little jerk

[ElectroPrincess]

31. Oh, I'd bet money she was with someone like Pickles in the

corner hording the pot and the best bong. I swear, unless you lived in "a hermetically sealed bubble" you smoked a little pot during the 60s and 70s?!?

[Mika]

64. If Condi smoked anything, it would be hash OIL!

:smoke:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. Didn't hear about those 4 little girls up the road in Birmingham?

[Solly Mack]

39. Obviously not. That woman is a piece of work.

[saigon68]

70. IN DEEP DENIAL

A "TOOL" OF THE BUSH CRIMINALS

[nsd]

76. Actually, I think Rice was a schoolmate of ...

one of the girls who was killed (Denise McNair). She's spoken about this in the past. I doubt she considers the civil rights movement to be part of the "counterculture."

[Solly Mack]

79. Yeah, I've read that as well. However, if she doesn't consider

civil rights part of the counterculture, then she obviously wasn't aware of the prevailing culture around her...

[muriel_volestrangler]

80. Here's a definition of 'counterculture' from a major textbook publisher

The term counterculture referred to various alternatives to mainstream values and behaviors that became popular in the 1960s. Among these were experimentation with psychedelic drugs, communal living, a return to the land, Asian religions, and experimental art.

http://www.ushistoryplace.com/glossary/c.html

So I would say they don't consider the civil rights movement part of that either.

[Solly Mack]

82. the anti-war movement was also considered counterculture

Does anyone want to claim everyone opposed to Vietnam was on drugs, lived communally, desired a return to the land, got into Asian religions and experimental art?

I certainly hope not...MLK openly opposed the war...and he's not the only example.

http://www.africanamericans.com/MLKjrBeyondVietnam.htm


Another take on the Counterculture

http://www.cyberlearning-world.com/nhhs/html3/culture.htm

So I guess it's a question of who you ask.

[LifeDuringWartime]

21. a music major at 12 or 13?

:wtf:

[Supersedeas]

77. guess she considers herself a protege

[Mountainman]

24. To me Rice is a non person. She could have done so much with her

abilities yet she sold them to the highest bidder. She and Powell waisted two potentially great lives. They both laid down with dogs and now are covered with fleas.

[Canuckistanian]

25. Selma , Alabama mean anything to you, Condi?

Montgomery? Little Rock, Arkansas? Watts? Harlem?... No?

How pathetic.

[onager]

36. That bonehead GREW UP in Alabama!

From the usual hagiographic CNN blurb: Rice -- who was born in Birmingham, Alabama, and spent most of her childhood there -- said the confluence of race and poverty is a vestige of American history.

So I guess she never heard of the Sixteenth Street Church or the Edmund Pettis Bridge either.

I'm a clueless white guy who was growing up in South Carolina about the same time. And I sure heard about those places.

And don't believe the hype about her sterling career as a Provost at Stanford University, either. One of the things she did there was what most of us would call "union-busting," IIRC.

[susu369]

28. She suggested he return to asking questions about foreign policy

Down memory lane -

CondoLIESalot - "I'm happy to continue the discussion, but I'd like to do it in such a way that it does not impugn my integrity."

Ms. Simonette-Pure....

[Seabiscuit]

74. "does not impugn my integrity"? Translation: "does not expose me for

the corrupt, lying POS I really am."

[tanyev]

29. Eminently qualified to be a music instructor or an

ice skating judge. Secretary of State? Not so much.

[kineneb]

49. no, I don't think she has the personality to teach music

or she would be one of those reeeealy mean teachers we all hate.

I teach piano lessons and sure wouldn't want her anywhere a student of mine.

[sweetheart]

34. the drugs are core to the foreign policy

Ironic indeed that the asshole would not want to discuss that.

[pitohui]

37. and she's been bitter ever since

i guess if i missed the 60s because i was too busy playing the damn piano i'd be angry & hateful too

[freethought]

44. Any boyfriends? At all?

I don't believe that I have seen any article on the web, in newspapers, magazines, or even TV about Condi and any men (I am excluding Smirk, of course). It's actually sorta sad. I wouldn't hold it against her if she had some guy on the side. I mean, so what?!

[Dulcinea]

61. Sounds like she sacrificed everything for ambition.

No boyfriend, husband, family, or fun. I almost feel sorry for her. She's probably lonely, or will be when she's old.

[olddad56]

45. I doubt if she did drugs. If she did, she wouldn't be so fucking uptight.

[olddad56]

46. maybe she did drugs indirectly, Bush did drugs and she has done him.

[freethought]

50. Nah, I think even Condi has SOME standards

Misplaced as they may be. Just seems odd that there are no signs of fling, past romance, few boyfriends, anything for that matter. Is she a virgin? I don't think I have ever seen one!

[0007]

48. Two or three good acid trips would do this women a world of good.

[freethought]

51. HA HA HA HA! I like that one! n/t

[Demeter]

47. Well, She's Certainly Made Up For Lost Time

Hanging around with terrorists, criminals and thugs. Can you say Patty Hearst? What we have here is a super duper Stockholm syndrome effect.

[newscott]

52. You know, just like now, she had her head up her ass.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

53. I can't believe I'm speaking in Condi's defense, but

I was in high school from 1965-1968 and in college from 1968-1972, and I never used drugs during that time. I didn't smoke tobacco, either, although I did drink wine and beer at family parties, in accordance with my family's European background.

I went to a conservative high school while living with strict parents, and then to a college that was religious and politically liberal but socially conservative. Maybe about 20% of the students at the school used drugs, but the rest were on the straight and narrow.

I had my first joint in 1973, when I was in graduate school.

[KoKo]

91. My experience is so close to your's Lydia LeftCoast...but Condi is Wrong

How COULD SHE HAVE IGNORED what was going on in the SOUTH when she grew up. She would have had to have blinders on and plugs in her ears.

I AM Southern...and left there during College...but EVEN "I" Was Engaged Enough...to fight for Condi Rices. But, she didn't give shit about her fellow human beings.

Why did we bother? If this is what it's come to.

You know why? Because "some of us" believed in "Equal Rights for All." Sadly Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas and the Whitey's who betrayed us on the Left all were in the SAME SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.

Why did we defend them? When, they seemed to have been MORE THAN CAPABLE of Defending THEMSELVES and TURN AROUND on US!

It's really hard to fathom how little folks remember about how they got to where they are. They would say it's by their "bootstraps" and "hard work." I would say...F**k OFF! You bite the hand that helped you...and some of us sacrificed to help you and now you even forget us. :-( Sad Times...Sad Times.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

54. I'm 47, and I was a music major in a conservatory...

I remember plenty of parties and an abundance of discussion about counterculture, despite the fact that it was 1977.

Somebody, somewhere is going to come out with the truth about Ms GoodyGoody. It's only a matter of time.

[PsN2Wind]

55. Hey! Give her a break

Ice-skating with a piano is "hard work"

[kskiska]

57. How come a nice Conservative girl like Condi

isn't married with a couple of kids, baking cookies the way she's supposed to.

[DaDeacon]

58. Have you ever seen her ?

[tavalon]

59. She's busy with her role

as the other woman.

[maxsolomon]

67. then she's a LOSER

if she's 50, she graduated high school in 73. she was aware of JFK, MLK, X, RFK, vietnam, watergate, etc. punk rock happened when she was a junior/senior in college. 21. i graduated in 81, and i remember nearly all of that.

mushrooms would have done her tight ass good.

what a square. the republican party: alcoholics, squares, and prudes.

[anotherdrew]

73. well, she's skating on thin ice now

[Tight_rope]

75. B..U..L..L..S..H..I..T!

A black child in the 60's not exposed to or educated about "counterculture". That's horse-shit. I could see if she was a poor black child who was raised in the ghetto, where her mama and mema had been on welfare and no father figure was around. But she wasn't. I know damn well her parents made sure she knew what the fuck was going on around the world, especially the USA. No way she didn't know about Martin Luther King and his movement. And if she says he knew about his movement, then she knew that drug smoking hippies support his movement.

It's one thing to say you didn't do drugs because you were too young..but it's another thing to act like you are stuck on stupid.:spank:

[muriel_volestrangler]

78. When did she say she didn't know that?

What she said was: "I was very young at the time of the counterculture. I was 12 or 13. And I was a music major. All I did was play the piano and ice skate. And so I don't think I focused very much on the counterculture. "

She said she didn't focus on it very much. She never said she didn't know about MLK, or that she didn't know that "drug smoking hippies" supported him. She just said she didn't focus on the counterculture.

[sando]

84. Condi is black and that unaware ????

I'm a year older than she is and I was very much aware of what was happnening in the country. I remember the day MLK was murdered. She's black and claims not to know much about what was happening then??? Bullshit... She doesn't want to have to admit to herself that she has failed in living towards the dream of Martin Luther King. She doesn't want to have to admit that what was once a nation moving towards a more equitable society was commandeered by men like her boss's family.

[Ilsa]

89. On the one hand, it has been shown that girls who are busy with

sports and other extracurricular activities are less likely to engage in sex and other experimental behaviors.

On the other hand, I think her answer was BULLSHIT.

[Dervill Crow]

90. I'm 50 and the counterculture didn't have much to do with me, either.

I was watching Alfred Hitchcock and Twilight Zone reruns after school, not the news, and much more involved with my friends and school work than what was going on in the world. I smoked a little pot after I got married and have never done any other drugs. The first demonstration I ever went to was a pro-life rally during the decade of my delusion after I became a born-again Christian Repuglican at age 24. :hurts:

I'm living proof that people CAN change for the better. :)

[KoKo]

92. Has Condi changed for "the better" though. That's the question...

and I honestly can't see her and believe that she has. :shrug: But, I changed for the better FOR HER.

I guess I shouldn't expect a "return for my support of what she went through" because "times have changed." But, since I didn't forget her...I wonder why she forgot me, and us who supported her right to go to unsegregated schools and the college of HER Choice? We even supported free scholarships (not that Condi needed to take it or even was involved with any "affirmative action programs" but still many folks who couldn't go to college were enabled to go when the "Civil Rights Movement" make reforms possible.

I'm not asking Condi to remember those who fought for her in a "payback way" but sheesh...she could at least try to remember her roots and have some sympathy..and feeling that many folks died in Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the Deep South for her...and families were ripped apart because of the cause of "Civil Rights." She and Clarence Thomas seem to feel they were born with rights that only folks TODAY in America can look too. And NOW both of them are fighting to take it all away, again.

:shrug: I don't have a way to deal with this...as someone who grew up in the South when the battle over Intergration vs Segregation was tearing the country apart.

[MaraJade]

94. If her family was wealthy enough to afford ice skating

in the sixties, a time when most figure skating clubs REJECTED blacks, then I can understand why she cannot relate to the problems of most black people in the US. She WAS absent during the civil rights movement. She was sheltered by wealth and was probably not even allowed to associate with other black people. She probably wasn't even allowed to mention MLK's name in the house at that time. Her Uncle Tom father and Aunt Jemima mother had to keep their place in silence or else face the loss of place in the community (the figure skating club).

How do I know all of this?

I am black and currently an officer of a figure skating club. Figure skating clubs, for the most part are still insularly narrow things and many of them have a history of refusing blacks, hispanics and other minorities. In fact, the very oldest clubs in the nation now admit to the practice. If Rice was skating in the sixties, it is very nearly a miracle that she was allowed to do so. Money HAD to have changed hands for her to skate. Period. It has only been since about the eighties that blacks were fully welcome in figure skating. Don't believe me? Then read about Mabel Fairbanks (one of the greatest skaters in history, who was not allowed to compete) or Richard Ewell.

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=12118381

US Figure Skating isn't proud of this and is working to improve the image. Now, blacks and other minorities are more than welcome and the number of black skating judges is also rising.

The bottom line fact is that if Condy was skating in the sixties (at the same time that I was smelling tear gas during riots in the Northeast--we are about the same age), her family had to kiss a lot of white asses to do that. Period.

Condy's not a shining example of heroism or support for civil rights, if you ask me. . .