'How to beat your wife' imam must study equality

[emad]

'How to beat your wife' imam must study equality
By Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid
(Filed: 29/09/2005)

An imam who wrote a book on how to beat your wife without leaving marks on her body has been ordered by a judge in Spain to study the country's constitution.

The judge told Mohamed Kamal Mustafa, imam of a mosque in the southern resort of Fuengirola, to spend six months studying three articles of the constitution and the universal declaration of human rights.

Mr Kamal was sentenced to 15 months in jail and fined £1,500 last year after being found guilty of inciting violence against women. However, despite objections from Spain's socialist government, a judge released him after 22 days in jail on condition that he undertake a re-education course.

A commission recommends that imams should speak Spanish and have a basic knowledge of human rights and Spanish law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/29/wimam29.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/29/ixworld.html

[leveymg]

1. I wonder, is it possible to be too civilized for one's own good? n/t

[sui generis]

5. Nope.

But you do have to carry a big stick and be willing to use it.

In general, we (any civilized country) have to set a standard for what we allow in terms of citizenship and immigration.

I completely agree that basic language should be a predicate of citizenship in any country, as well as a basic understanding of the values of that country, including values of human decency.

If an immigrant can't demonstrate a commitment to those very basic principles, they shouldn't be in that (or this) country.

[Julius Civitatus]

12. Well said --

I agree wholeheartedly.

:hi:

One of the major problems in most European countries right now is where to draw the line. Europe has taken literally millions of Islamic immigrants (legal and illegal) from north Africa and the Middle East, in a very quickly and unprepared fashion, and there's a serious culture clash going on. This is just an example of many.

[tainowarrior]

2. As long as they're forcing all other religious abusers

to do the same, then yeah. It's always a good thing to teach backwards people some elementary morality.

And yes, people, I said it. If you're idea of a religion practice is beating your wife or keeping her as a second-class citizen, something is very wrong.

I have no problems with Muslims, Buddhists, Christians etc...but I have HUGE problems with those that try to use their religion as a cover for what they do to fellow human beings. My condemnation for this man would be equally the same if he was Buddhist, Taoist, Shintoist, atheist, christian, etc.

Abusing women as part of religious "duty" is backwards, brutal, and has to go.

[rodeodance]

3. well, said

[WhiteTara]

16. Here Here! And let us not leave out the children

in those statements. In this county alone every year almost one million children are abused by their caregivers. 300,000 are abused so badly they are removed from their homes and shifted around (usually to other homes that abuse them as well)

One thing I noticed at the march was that there far more women than men there. I think maybe 65% women. Lots and Lots of Vets from every war. It seems that they are the only ones who can understand, the ones that give birth and the ones who have taken life.

corrected pronoun

[quaoar]

4. Just go ahead and shoot this guy

The idea that he will see the error of his ways through education is a fucking joke.

[sui generis]

7. well that's progressive

in bizarro world

I agree that he probably won't see the error of his ways, but if Spain just went around and shot everyone they thought was incorrigible it WOULD be like a third world middle eastern country.

[tainowarrior]

11. and there would be less

incorrigible people. :evilgrin:

[Tight_rope]

13. Yeah...I'm with you on this one...Hit once and they will do it again!

I don't think a crash course in Anger Management will help this sick mutherfucker...especially since he's written a book on how to do it and get away with it.:spank:

[meow2u3]

14. Anger management does no good for wife beaters

What they need is a freakin' attitude adjustment!

[smirkymonkey]

19. The fact that he emphasizes HOW TO GET AWAY WITH IT

shows that he knows it's wrong but chooses to do it anyway. I agree with the poster who says he should be shot. He's a predator with no hope of rehabilitation.

[hobbit709]

6. Maybe he should be

put in a room with Lorena Bobbit

[WinkyDink]

8. At least Islam "is a religion of peace".

Bush said so, and he ought to know.

[ck4829]

15. Hey, not all Muslims are like him.

I know you're making a jab at Bush, but he is just an example of the worst that Islam can bring out.

I'm Islamic and I think anyone who commits violence against women is evil and stupid. I support equal rights for women along with GLBT people and other groups.

[JNelson6563]

9. I'll send him a copy of my forthcoming book

Eight Places to Beat a Man and Not Leave a Mark. :-)

[emad]

10. That night start a new religion!

?

[indigo32]

17. I fear their efforts will be lost on this man

but I applaud them for trying, and hopefully publicizing it far and wide.

[maxsolomon]

18. just deport him.

why pussyfoot around?

[Julius Civitatus]

20. Spain has highly inadequate immigration laws

Spain, like many other European countries, has been surprised by the massive waves of immigration they've been facing in the last 5 or 6 years. Their laws and resources were unprepared and inexperienced to deal with this phenomenon.

Spain in particular has a surprisingly lax and inadequate immigration policy. Unlike American laws, the immigration policy in Spain gives citizenship almost ipso facto, even to illegal immigrants or those with criminal records, and makes it extremely difficult to deport anyone, no matter what. Just recently, Zapatero signed a amnesty that regularized nearly 700,000 illegal immigrants right away.

Many people pointed it wasn't surprising that the first attacks of Al Qaeda in Europe took place in Madrid, Spain last year, due to the very lax open-doors policies of Spain. I recently read other European countries within the Schengen Treaty are complaining about Spain's immigration policies. If the rest of the EU countries do not have frontiers anymore, Spain is quickly becoming the Achilles Heel of their common law enforcement efforts.