Flight Attendants Outraged Over Jodie Foster Film (spoiler alert)

[DeepModem Mom]

WP/Reuters: Flight Attendants Outraged Over Jodie Foster Film
Reuters
Thursday, September 29, 2005


LOS ANGELES - Labor unions representing most of the nation's 90,000 flight attendants have urged their members to boycott a new Jodie Foster film that portrays a flight attendant and a U.S. air marshal as terrorists.

They said that casting cabin crew members as villains in the movie "Flightplan" was irresponsible in light of heightened security concerns since the September 11, 2001 attacks, in which suicide hijackers used airliners as guided missiles.

The Walt Disney Co. film, which was the No. 1 release at the North American box office last weekend, stars Foster as an airline passenger who awakens from an in-flight nap to find her young daughter missing. It turns out that one of the flight attendants aboard is involved in a terrorist plot hatched by the plane's air marshal.

A union statement issued on Tuesday also complained that other flight attendants in the film are shown as being "rude, unhelpful and uncaring."

"This depiction of flight attendants is an outrage," said Association of Flight Attendants (AFA) International President Patricia Friend. "Flight attendants continue to be the first line of defense on an aircraft and put their lives on the line day after day for the safety of passengers."...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092802307.html

[Nickster]

1. It's a frigging movie, nothing in it is REAL. Sheessh. Can't people get

outraged over something important??

[saigon68]

5. Its politically correct America, Running Wild

[Darth_Kitten]

39. No, they cannot get outraged over anything important......

:eyes:

[fshrink]

68. Yeah, but when reality has become a show, a show

becomes real. Images are nearly all we've got now.

[UncleSepp]

104. That's good. I like the way you said that.

I've had the same sense, that "reality tv" has taken a blurred line between fiction and truth and erased it, leaving us in a half-real, half-fiction dreamland. I'm curious if it will turn out that the constant exposure to docudrama, reality tv, and television serials that imitate real life has been responsible for people's tendency to interpret reality as if it had a plot, a director, and a sitcom-style "moment of sh*t" at the end to give it all meaning. That seems to manifest mostly (IMO) in a religiousness that attributes purpose to natural events, but also in a desire to find connectedness between unrelated events and One Big Explanation for everything.

[Demeter]

102. There Are Good Reasons For Their Protest

1) As we have amply complained elsewhere on this site, certain sections of the population cannot distinguish reality from fantasy. They are paranoid. They vote for Bush. They believe crap like Intelligent Design and Hillary murdering Vince Foster. These nuts need no help creating their myths and crackpot justifications for stupid decisions. We do not need anybody giving them ideas to promulgate, or god forbid, act upon.

2) There are other crazy people who will think this is a good idea, and go try it for themselves. After all, Jodie Foster herself is well aware of this sick element in the world.

3) What have the flight attendants ever done to deserve such an image? Can't think of a one that sullied the flight attendant image that was rigidly enforced by the airlines since day 1.

4) If you want to make a difference, or tell a thrilling tale, look to the ample source material in the public view right now. Bring the BFEE stories to the screen and stage. Truth is stranger than fiction.

[Mizmoon]

2. I heard the film sucked anyway

perhaps they shouldn't advertise for it by protesting so loudly.

[soleft]

3. Yikes - put a spoiler warning in your headline QUICK!!!!

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Good idea -- I did. nt

[soleft]

16. Thanks. Will probably wait for video, but still don't want to

know too much about the plot.

[CitrusLib]

4. Hello! It's FICTION.

Guess I don't need to see the movie now. 'Spoiler' in the headline would be appropriate here. ;-)

[bowens43]

7. This is silly......

Get a life folks, it's only a movie. You know, fiction.

But next time I fly I'm going to keep my eyes on those flight attendants!!!

[elehhhhna]

8. Boo hoo. I've flown United. The film's accurate.

DU United Air. employees excepted I'm sure.

flame away

[marbuc]

29. United Air employees are bitchy

but not terrorists.

[elehhhhna]

37. No? Really?

!!!

;)

[barb162]

138. British Airways people are worse

[reprobate]

44. Don't know about United, but in one instance the Delta crew was usless.

Once flew to Switzerland on SwissAir and returned on same. The contrast was amazing with the Delta flight we connected with at Kennedy to returen to florida.

Where the Swissair crew catered to your every whim, often before you had the whim, I couldn't even get the Delta crew to pick up my empty drink glass before landing in Orlando. And Delta wonders why they're in financial trouble? Give GOOD service and people will use your services.

[MADem]

63. Just so you know

DELTA airlines have been flying with FAA minimum crews for some time--they used to have anywhere from one to three extra FAs on board, no longer. Also, MANAGEMENT (Rudy Giuliani is a paid consultant to them) limits what they do, the number of times they go through the cabin, and so on. Finally, they just took a ten percent pay cut, have had their benefits DECIMATED, have lost their international pay, and seventy percent of them are being put on mandatory THREE DAY RESERVE (that means you sit around, waiting for the phone to ring, and if you fly out of Atlanta and live in LA, well, get your ass there however you can ON TIME, without being able to advance-plan your schedule, or it is a black mark on your record). Delta FAs are good, but they are getting SCREWED by management.

Also, SWISSAIR was--note I said WAS--30 percent owned by the government. And now, it is DEFUNCT. Read all about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair

So, don't count on getting any great service from them in future. You'll have to get that on carriers that pay their FAs a buck fifty an hour, who do their aircraft maintenance offshore somewhere. All a roll of the dice....

[elehhhhna]

83. That's why Unoted sucks too. Cuts cuts cuts. Treat employees

like crap and guess how they'll treat your customers.

Passive/aggressive management theory in practice.

[reprobate]

113. This incident was in 1970, when Delta was perported to be one of the best.

w

And I know what their FAs are going thru now. My next door neighbor is an FA for them. Actually was...she was transfered to their low cost line. What's it called? Blue Bird?

Of course, as I've said before on these pages, I believe that the long term future for airlines worldwide and especially here in the United States is quite dark. Fuel costs will escalate far mmore than they have so far. Therefore, passenger ticket prices will go along with them. Labor costs have gone abut as far down as they can. Even at the present levels of spending on labor for maintanence, I will not fly today. I no longer feel safe with everything keeping me alive and not buried in a mountain somewhere is being supplied by the lowest bidder. But then I'm retired and no longer have to fly for business. When I travel for pleasure I try to route as far as possible for automobile travel, but then I enjoy seeing new towns and meeting new people. If given my druthers I'd prefer to take the train, but the capitalists among us have seen to it that we no longer have a viable passenger service. I think we will not have one until we realize that there are really some things that we must rely on the dollective public to finance, and that not ECERYTHING will show a profit.

.

[MADem]

117. SONG

The Delta Airlines personnel who transferred to SONG (it was all voluntary) had to sign an agreement that they could not come back on the DELTA rolls for TWO YEARS after going with SONG. Makes you wonder what will happen to them???

Delta was unable to hedge their fuel costs because of their shaky finances. American has been cancelling flights to conserve fuel.

Our airlines are a national security resource. The government ends up bailing them out, paying the pensions when they go under, they may as well just bite the bullet and find a way to marry the national interest with the business interest.

And that goes double for trains--it is going to get very expensive to haul stuff by truck if these fuel prices keep going up.

[iamjoy]

100. I Had A Wonderful Experience - Delta

the flight attendents rearranged crew luggage so my husband and I wouldn't have to check the family china even though it was too big to fit in the overhead compartment or under the seat.

[Gemini Cat]

60. Northwest and KLM are pretty annoying as well. nt

[Bridget Burke]

9. Don't the Airline unions have more important issues?

Guess this film won't be shown in-flight...

[Tempest]

SNL didn't pull the airline skit with David Spade out of their ass

It's pretty accurate from my experience.

'Bye-bye'

[KittyWampus]

10. Is Writing Scripts With Muslims As Terrorists Irresponsible?

[Rose Siding]

11. Good. More PR for her

Next up: AMA Outraged at Jeckle Half of Hyde

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. That's beautiful

Thanks for the first big laugh of the morning .........

[Horse with no Name]

12. I'd be more concerned that that a briefing was left on a President's desk

unread which actually DID lead to the loss of life.
I'd think that would be more important than boycotting a fucking movie.
Hint...movies aren't real. Get over it.

[tainowarrior]

13. wrong issue, wrong time, wrong way to address it

Nothing to win with this protest except public ridicule.

Please, Flight Attendants Association...move on.

[anotherdrew]

14. Disney movie shows government agent ploting to commit terrorism? WTF?

wow, how odd... almost as if.... nah... couldn't be... could it?

[calico1]

15. Its a damn movie!

And I'm sorry but this describes a lot of flight attendants I have had:


<<A union statement issued on Tuesday also complained that other flight attendants in the film are shown as being "rude, unhelpful and uncaring.">>>

[Dover]

17. I think it's an outrage that George Bush is being depicted as a president!

A generation of children are growing up thinking that miserable scum bag is what a president really is!

[cpamomfromtexas]

129. My kid drew a picture at school

of GWB and a bomb! My mom was horrified.

I blew it off, said it was just little boy stuff except my kid will grow up.

GWB still thinks he's playing with toy soldiers.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Flight attendants

Waitresses 'way up high.

[defiant1]

40. LoL....

Truer words were never spoken.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

96. Check out the responses I got

while you - who had the good sense, smarts, and experience to agree with me - skated away as if you weren't an insensitive, smug, superior know-it-all who lords your station in life over those waitresses 'way up high.

<wink>

[Mizmoon]

43. And what do you do for a living?

I'm sure you're making a million bucks a minute as your own boss?

Sheesh we're awfully snotty for so-called "progressives".

[OldLeftieLawyer]

45. I worked hard and got an education,

just so I wouldn't have to be a waitress 'way up high.

heh heh heh

[Mizmoon]

46. Someone has to do it

someone has to work at McDonald's. Someone has to work daycare. Someone has to collect garbage. Someone has to work the deli counter at the supermarket.

They deserve some respect since they work for a living. Or is that too much to ask?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

52. Not flight attendants

Not if you'd sat in as many bargaining sessions as I have with that union.

Not if you'd flown as many thousands of miles as I've had to.

Not if you'd done your best to give them everything they wanted and then gotten hammered with the epithet that I was "selling out my gender" because I helped to represent an airline.

I am a child of factory workers, so don't ever try to pull this on me. Ever.

[MADem]

67. Gee, they are doing so well they took a ten percent pay cut

Have the pilots taken an equivalent hit??? Or MANAGEMENT??? Don't think so...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

70. What's your point?

Where did the notion of "pay cuts" enter into this thread?

[MADem]

79. You gave them everything they wanted????

Your words.

Sorry, I don't see anything constructive happening here. You seem to have a beef with FAs, and they are the least of the brethren in the airline industry. Now, they have no pensions, no overseas pay, no delay pay (how many other people show up for work, have their work delayed, and must sit around without compensation waiting for their workday to start?).

It is clear you don't like them, you denigrate them, and you do not, IMO, seem to KNOW them. They are good hardworking folk, and they do not make a hell of a lot of money for what they do.

I find your insults about them terribly callous, frankly.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

88. Your interpretation

I posted this: "Waitresses, 'way up high."

How come you're not landing on the guy who agreed with me?

How you find a "beef" there is beyond me, so I'll leave you to whatever it is you're reading into my post, and wish you well.

[serryjw]

126. Let's WORRY about the Air Traffic Controlers

Did anyone SEE Oprah yesterday. THE ATC play CHICKEN with airplanes...
That is much more of a concern to me than FA feeling picked on...IT'S A MOVIE!

Why does everyone beat up someone for having an opinion...Don't like here opinion, put her on IGNOR...This is REALLY getting old when half the thread is posters saying nothing except throwing insults back and forth.I'm on this board to share INFORMATION,organize our effort to defeating the REAL enemy.......Get a life PLEASE!

[cpamomfromtexas]

131. You're joking right?

Pilots always take the biggest hits. Delta's just got about a 30% cut, their pensions gone, and 17% coming down the pike.

Let's face it, they carry thousands of people a day, at least if your Doctor screws up, he only kills ONE AT A TIME, and it takes a hell of a long time to prove he killed you. Oh and by the way, at least in texas, you can only sue your doctor for $250K.

[brentspeak]

69. Being the child of factory workers isn't the same

as being a factory worker.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

72. That was what they hoped for

But, it does give me a perspective others may not have. You knew that, didn't you?

Or did you?

[brentspeak]

80. It gives you the perspective of a child of factory workers

But not that of a factory worker.

[Karmadillo]

84. Well, I certainly hope there are others who don't have your perspective.

nt

[MADem]

81. Didn't Bill O'Reilly drag that one out, once or twice???

And it wasn't even accurate!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

98. In fact,

Bill O'Reilly was my mother.

[Bill McBlueState]

71. good, I'm glad they gave you a hard time

Score one for labor! I have a hard time understanding why any progressive would take the side of management in contract negotiations.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

73. I'm sure you do

I'm also sure that using labels such as "progressive" is a fairly lamebrained way to approach people about whom you know nothing.

If you knew the context of those negotiations, and when they took place, you'd (1) be educated, and (2) understand what I wrote.

[maxsolomon]

56. mcdonalds is not an essential service

the entire corporation could go away & life would continue. no one HAS to work there, but rather they work there because they HAVE TO WORK.

but someone HAS to pick up the garbage.

[Realityhack]

108. Yes they do...

but having respect for someone who works hard doesn't make their job magicaly turn into rocket science or a techno-thriller hero.

That 'risk their lives' crap was WAY WAY over the top. As far as the people making that statment and anyone who agrees with them I have absolutely no respect or sympathy for them. They are living in their own little dream world but its messing up my reall world.

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[ebal]

112. nice description

So you'd rather be an ambulance chaser way down low?

[MADem]

64. That is uncalled for

I have friends who are FAs, and they are called on to handle everything from people who are drug overdosed, to crazy people off their medications, to heart attack victims, to whiners who think that transport via air is anything more than a bus ride with a safety crew on high. Their principal job is to ensure cabin safety, not pour drinks. They get the door open when the plane crashes and are the last ones out, and most of them are being FUCKED out of their pensions, and taking pay cuts left and right.

They aren't making any money--and they are working shitty schedules, being put on reserve against their will, and a lot of them do not know how they are gonna make the mortgage.

Your comment was out of line, IMO.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

75. Waitresses,

'way up high.

Their choices.

[NashVegas]

123. Flight Attendants and Other "Glamor" Jobs

Are held be people who work in an industry that uses its glamor to sell people short.

You get to fly around to exotic locations, meet interesting people, etc, etc. At least that's the pitch. But at the bottom line, you really are a "waitress in the sky."

Your friends bought a pitch. If they're not too old, they can still study economics, which they'd have been better off doing in the first place.

It's not just them it's almost everyone in the country. We're so in debt that we're afraid to walk away from the masters and tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine.

[gardenista]

76. How egalitarian of you.

:eyes:

You show your disdain for men and women who work extremely hard, difficult hours, who put up with bullshit day and night from idiots who have a need to feel superior to the "lower class workers".

Ya know, there's a place for folks like that, but it might not be here.

[MADem]

82. Yeah....What you said n/t

[Cha]

133. I'm gonna stick up for the

waitresses here! My daughter helped put her self through college as a waitress. I worked as a waitress back in the early years and those girls work hard. So do the waiters.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

91. My opinion

Seems like you've got issues there, and none of them have anything to do with my opinion.

Go attack something that matters. This is about my opinion of flight attendants. What an earthshattering time you're having.

Thanks for the laugh.

[really annoyed]

105. How kind of you

I guess my mother working as a waitress for years to support her children and supplement my dad's low income is a joke to you.

But I guess some people on this planet are here for you to abuse.

[MellowOne]

110. As a former flight attendant

The movie doesn't offend me but you're remark about waitress in the sky does offend me. We go through 6-8 weeks, depending on the airline, of intense training to insure passenger safety. Serving is a one day class.

I realize it's fiction as I'm now a writer.

[Nashyra]

114. Your lower intelligence is showing

When you can be arrested for mentioning the word hijack in the line at an airport, these fools depict a Flight Attendant as a terrorist? Not very smart, and just so you know that the flight attendants can no longer depend on the cockpit for help in the cabin in an emergency. The waitresses might be the only people who can save your life in a real hijacking. Didn't see many waitresses evacuating those passengers in less than 90 secons on the Air France flight where all the passengers lived.

Those who can be so critical towards a profession so recently decimated by tragedy are typical of the dumb ass passengers I had to put up with for the last 30 years. Most of it was envy.

Flame away, couldn't be any worse than some of the passengers I've put up with in the past.

[Teaser]

19. Dark Lords everywhere offended by Portrayal of Sauron...

in the LoTR movies.

...Lord Foul the Despiser, the famous preternatural nemesis of Thomas Covenant (unbeliever and leper), had this to say:

"Jackson (and Tolkien's) depiction of the 'dark lord phenomenon' is completely off base and one sided. We aren't just interested in motive free evil. We have dreams, plans, and most of all reasons for our actions. Take me for instance. I don't hate all life JUST BECAUSE...I hate it because it mars the bleak perfection of silence and order. I hate it because I'm imprisoned in the earth and only by breaking the arch of time can I be freed to hurl myself at the earth's creator. But this portrayal as a mindless, unreasoning hate and a disembodied eye floating above a tower, well frankly, it's just offensive."

[Ready4Change]

22. Well, Saurons depiction WAS rather myoptic. n/t

[Coventina]

31. *rim shot*

:D

[Ready4Change]

32. Ah, appreciation is a sweet, sweet thing.

Thank you.

[Ready4Change]

21. So, who SHOULD have been depicted as the terrorists?

Who could have been depicted as terrorists who wouldn't have just as much cause to object? Passengers? Wait a minute, ->I<- have bought tickets on airplanes, and I'm no terrorist! I object!

Who else?

Pilots?
Muslims?
Black people?
Asians?
White people?
Dogs in carry-on baggage?
The Gremlin from "Terror at 30,000 feet?"

It's fiction. Someone gets stuck being the bad guy. As long as it isn't ALWAYS the same group, it's no big deal.

[MsUnderstood]

24. Wow that is just silly!

I saw the movie and the flight attendants were portayed as *shocker* human beings. They had an unruly passanger that upset other passengers and responded accordingly.

Meanwhile, we count the days back and 9/11 was over 4 years ago!

You want to complain then focus in the guy not doing enough to secure your planes--or you can re-elect him.

[maxsolomon]

57. following the hollywood precedent of the last 20 years

it should have been a multicultural assortment of ethnicities, with a black computer expert, a sexy woman assassin, and a british, goateed mastermind.

[TlalocW]

23. Fine, replace it with the comedy, "Airplane" instead

Clearance, Clarence?
Roger, Roger.

TlalocW

[Ready4Change]

27. I object!

Depicting a future congressman (Sonny Bono) as a bomb weilding terrorist is highly irresponsible.

;)

Oh, wait, that was in "Airplane II." Never mind.

[TommyO]

33. Over, Under

Under, done!

[WildClarySage]

42. What's our vector, Victor?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

97. "Timmy?

Do you like Turkish baths?"

[wellstone_democrat]

111. Timmy?

Do you like gladiator movies?


(BTW, I was working but I would have jumped in with you earlier)

[SemperEadem]

25. well, if the airline is United, then it's an apt portrayal

I still am not over the treatment I received from their airline back in December 2002--and their in-flight crew was the rudest I'd ever encountered in my flying experience.

Frontier Airlines is the best as far as I'm concerned.

[lse7581011]

26. Think That's Why They Are Also Known as UNTIED! n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

28. Oh please!

What a bunch of whiners.

[MADem]

86. Sorry, I disagree

The union urged THEIR MEMBERS--not you, not me, not anyone else, just THEIR MEMBERS to boycott the film. Would you leap to see a film that made people in your profession look bad, or champion it?

They have as much right to make recommendations to their group as anyone else does, and they have a right to be irritated, especially with the way they have taken it up the wazoo of late.

[Catherine Vincent]

89. They already do.

And it doesn't matter to me.

[MADem]

93. Well, good for you then

You have thick skin, apparently.

[FlaGranny]

120. Guess that should be the end of

the bad cop, the bad doctor, the bad cowboy, the bad lawyer, the bad nurse etc., etc., etc. Many bad guys in many movies about bad guys are a part of SOME profession that might be insulted.

The only answer is no more movies about bad guys.

[NVMojo]

30. typical ...we are supposed to live in faith-based reality!!! HAHAHA!

These flight attendants need to grow up. Most I've met have been decent. I have no complaints but, Keerist, this is just a freaking movie!!!! Get a life, fight a real cause!

[Nashyra]

115. Need to grow up?

I do believe they are grown up, that is why they are on the plane. I love my bumper sticker that says " I'm here to save your ass, not kiss it"

[alarimer]

34. It's a freaking movie

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that a flight attendant or air marshal could be a terrorist. I mean, we can't put anyone on such a pedestal, not even pilots and flight attendants. And they are sometimes rude and unhelpful. I have seen it myself. Besides, it is only a movie.

I mean, they are sometimes rude and unhelpful especially in coach but if you have a few bucks I am sure they are nice as can be. Not to imply taht all flight attendants are rude ALL the time; that isn't true.

[sdfernando]

35. I've seen rude flight attendants

I saw the movie at a matinee. It was just OK, rather predictable. Glad it was matinee price and not full price. I nailed the Air Marshall as the villian just as he first spoke to Jodie's character. I remember thinking, he has to be the bad guy.

I've flown quite a bit, and while most of the time flight attendants have been pretty courteous, there have been numerous times when I've encountered the same behaviour I saw in the movie. One airline in particular seems to fit quite well what I saw. I don't fly them anymore.

[elehhhhna]

38. Sounds like her last movie, but different.

[longship]

36. Pshaw!!

Don't these people have anything better to do with their lives?

Dan Quayle complains about a ficticious baby born out of wedlock. Now some nutcases are complaining about a ficticious flight attendent.
:banghead:

[DS1]

41. Wah! Just about every form of employment has been cast

as villians. Shut up and get me my drink :hide:

[maxsolomon]

59. architects are never evil

we're like ghandhi!

[Lautremont]

62. You forget 'The Towering Inferno.'

Fire chief Steve McQueen has a big long anti-architect speech at the end. "You know we can't effectively fight fires past the seventh floor, but you just keep building 'em higher and higher..."

[MADem]

87. Why do they call KKKarl "the architect" then?

You're on thin ice, too!!!!!!!!

[maxsolomon]

94. not an architect

Rove's also a "smear artist". artists, now they have been plenty evil.

wait, i forgot herr Speer.

architects CAN be evil after all.

and in the Towering Inferno, the developer should have been blamed.

architects are whores.

[gratuitous]

47. Reminds me of a story

Mrs. gratuitous used to work in child care. One of the kids came into the kitchen and complained to the cook that another of the kids had called her stupid. The cook said, "Are you stupid?" The kid looked puzzled for a moment, then said, "No." "Well, then your friend is wrong." The kid left the kitchen quite a bit brighter, and probably went to tell her friend that she wasn't stupid.

Flash forward to this little playground incident. "Waah! This movie says flight attendants are terrorists!" Well, ARE you terrorists? You're not? Then the movie is incorrect about you, isn't it? And maybe -- just maybe -- it's not referring to you at all.

[Cha]

136. gratuitous!

You've hit the bloody nail on the head and no one seems to have noticed!!

So true, is it not?

[Seedersandleechers]

48. Gee, I'm a nurse. Should I get excited over Nurse Ratchet in OFOTCN

[LostinVA]

53. Or how every librarian is painted as boring and prudish

And uptight and anti-technology when that is (mainly) not true??? Even vampire-slaying Giles on "Buffy" was stuffy and a techno-geek.

Or cops are corrupt, teachers sadists, etc.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

99. Consider my name here

Every bad joke ever told has a lawyer in it.

Some of them are really funny.

But, yeah, librarians are all evil bastards, come to think of it.........:)

[iamjoy]

109. What About Dentists

I didn't see a dentist for YEARS after watching Little Shop of Horrors. And I can't even watch Marathon Man.

But you don't see dentists getting all fah-tootzed.

[ronnykmarshall]

49. Ever see "Jumping Jack Flash"?

WELL! I as a bank employee was OUTRAGED at Whoopie Goldberg's character. Image a bank employee with little trinkets and pictures all over their computer ..... oh wait that's what MY computer looks like.

Never mind.

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. You ain't nothing but a WAITRESS IN THE SKY

She don't wear no pants and she don't wear no tie
Always on the ball, she's always on strike
Struttin' up the aisle, big deal, you get to fly
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

Paid my fare, don't wanna complain
You get to me, you're always outta champagne
Treat me like a bum, don't wear no tie
'cause you ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

And the sign says, "Thank you very much for not smoking"
My own sign says, "I'm sorry, I'm smokin'"
Don't treat me special, or don't kiss my ass
Treat me like the way they treat 'em up in first class

Sanitation expert and a maintenance engineer
Garbage man, a janitor and you my dear
A real union flight attendant, my oh my
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

[Coventina]

54. Ahhhh!!!!! The 'Mats.

How I miss them......

[iamjoy]

101. That's Rude

They're being unreasonable about this movie, but that is no reason to insult them.

[Coventina]

127. It's a song by the Replacements from the 1980s

No sense in getting all uptight about it now.

:eyes:

[devilgrrl]

51. This is a puff piece serving no other purpose than using...

value print space. Nobody cares and neither should the Association of Flight Attendants.

:puffpiece:

[natrat]

55. saw it yesterday-nothin special

[symbolman]

58. What about the

OoomphaLoompha Union? When are they going to get off their blue asses and kick the shit out of Johny Depp?

And I really think that THING 1 and THING 2 have a case against the Pharmacuetical Corporations..

[Rose Siding]

61. This right wing blogger says she tipped off AFA

I knew I'd seen a political attack on the movie...

snip>
...If you're a freedom-loving American like me, the rotten tricks of this movie will disgust you.
...
When I described the plot of this "film" to Lori Bassani--spokeswoman for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, and a flight attendant, herself--she said, "That is so irresponsible."
...
Then, there are the Federal Air Marshals. This movie is a huge blow to their image, especially.

Is it more likely that a dedicated, patriotic American--who goes through a lot of federal training to serve his/her country and get security to carry a gun on board--would be a terrorist hijacker . . . or four suspicious-looking, strange-acting Arab Muslims?

"Flight Plan" wants you to think the former.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2005/09/bad_flight_plan.html

[chalky]

65. Oh for God's sake...the United pensions have just been hacked to bits

and THIS is what they're up in arms about?!?!

And what is this shrieking HYSTERIA saying about groups portrayed as terrorists in other movies? Are they saying that THOSE movies are accurate, but THIS movie is a hideous deviation from reality?

FEH.

[Catchawave]

77. My son's an air marshall

...haven't seen his outrage yet? Last I heard, they're still too concerned with the dickheads running Homeland Security making it impossible to maintain their covert missions. I'll certainly forward this article to him :)

[kskiska]

78. It's just a movie. n/t

[Peace Patriot]

85. It's a classic story-telling technique to take a TRUSTWORTHY FIGURE

--such as the Grandmother in Little Red Riding Hood--and do an IRONIC REVERSAL by turning that TRUSTWORTHY FIGURE into a threat (wolf kills TRUSTWORTHY FIGURE, puts on her nightgown, gets into her bed).

Women stalking and killing men. Nurse Ratched. Sweet, innocent little girls possessed by the Devil, or being monstrous killers. It's a story-telling technique--having to do with the UNEXPECTED. And it is, truly, the very decency, or kindness, or innocence, or good reputation of the stereotype that is being used to create surprise and horror.

Flight Attendants are actually being complimented by the movie. They are the last people on earth that we would expect to be part of a terrorist plot!

It's also not unthinkable that ANYONE could be bribed these days, or go undercover for "black ops," or even undergo a complete change of character, leaving all former values and allegiances behind, given the rotten, hypocritical, greedy, murderous, criminal examples of leadership that the Bush Cartel is providing.

The Flight Attendants seem a bit jittery about it all. They, like all workers, are suffering mistreatment and injustice--and are also more likely than most of us to be the victims of hijackers.

Cut'em some slack, I'd say. (I don't agree with any kind of censorship--but I find their reaction understandable. The heroines among them--and there are many--and the day to day fears and hassles they face--rarely receive any notice.)

[Nashyra]

116. Thank you

If you have ever heard the recording of Betty Ong, one of the Flight Attendants on 911 you would know why we are so sensitive. I don't care if it is just a movie. Like a post above they were making a statement to their own membership.

[ramapo]

90. How unbelievably moronic

IT IS ONLY A FRIGGIN' STORY....IT IS MADE UP...IT IS MAKE BELIEVE

The storyline has little basis in reality...anybody but a moron can see that.

AUGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[soup]

92. >>Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt our program

of dance music to bring you a special bulletin from the Intercontinental Radio News.

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Professor Pierson of the Observatory at Princeton confirms Farrell's observation, and describes the phenomenon as, quote, "like a jet of blue flame shot from a gun," unquote.

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http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/script.html

[anitar1]

95. Utter BS, for God's sake. n/t

[WinkyDink]

103. I just saw it yesterday!

And man, if I'd have read the Drudgereport Reuters link prior, I'd be TICKED!!!!!!!!
Can't believe they give away the ending basically in the article's TITLE!!

Too bad for the film; it is really suspenseful, very puzzling and intriguing, and edifying (who knew about all those ways to get to the plane's innards?!).

Oh, I forgot, though; we're in a post-9/11 world. Movie-makers had better watch what they produce (paraphrasing Ari).

[Tight_rope]

106. Jezzus Crise on 2 stics....It's only a movies!...n/t

[Realityhack]

107. well that was stupid.

What a bunch of whiny nut jobs.

So um... which profession is it that we CAN portray as hypatheticaly containing bad people in a movie... smaktards.

and that 'put their lives on the line' crap... WTF. News flash... you are not risking anything you morons.

What a bunch of condisending idiots.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

118. Boy,

not a whole lot of tolerance on this subject for people who don't exactly worship flight attendants.

It's always funny to watch how desperately controlling people can be when someone doesn't share their opinion.

Hysteria - it's such a powerful debating tool.

Waitresses 'way up high - that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Now, let's make fun of, uh, can we make fun of anyone?

[Dem2theMax]

140. Let's make fun of snobs.

You go first. You seem to have the most experience here when it comes to that subject.

[tallahasseedem]

119. Anyway....

:eyes:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

121. What a bunch of idiots.

It's a fucking MOVIE. Like flight attendants are the only ones who are portrayed unfairly in Hollywood.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

124. that's really what I thought

get over yourselves already

[Puglover]

122. Ha you want to see a flight attendant

morf into a terrorist. Ask for the whole can of coke.

:evilgrin:

[B3Nut]

125. ROFL!

Actually, they've always just given me the can as a matter of course...maybe it's because I was flying Southwest a lot and they were always fun and laid-back. I remember one evening takeoff, they dimmed the cabin lights and an attendant whispered into the mic "you're getting sleeeeeepppyyyyyyy..." hehehehehee

Always nice to deal with people who DON'T have pinecones up their arses.

To the flight attendants' union: It's a freaking movie. Grow up. You want to get outraged at something that actually MEANS something? Get outraged at the policies of those damned Republicans which are wrecking your industry. Vote Democratic.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[TygrBright]

135. I like the Southwest FAs... some of them...

They're the only ones allowed to tell the truth. I'll never forget a SW flight some years back where the FA droned through the seatbelt-and-oxy-mask lecture, and then paused, and said (in the same dulcetly robotic tones,) "And thank you for flying Southwest, the airline that treats you like cattle and isn't afraid to admit it!"

Yes, the majority of FA activity is waitress work, but it should also be remembered that they are fully qualified safety personnel who can morph in an instant from waitress to EMT/Master Sgt/Escape Engineer in an emergency. Back in the paleolithic, when I was working my way through college as a waitress, you can bet I would have turned green and run for the nearest door if one of my diners had fallen off their chair with a siezure. And if the restaurant had caught fire, I sure as HELL wouldn't have wasted any of my time standing by the exits helping diners get out, I woulda been outta there myself!

It's an unglamorous, physically demanding job, and no one ever got rich or retired to the Bahamas on a FA salary. Most of the FAs I've encountered (and I fly a lot,) have been pretty decent, considering what they're up against in the form of snotty passengers, wailing babies, hyperactive kids, Gus the Gropers, etc. Back when they used to have enough staff per flight they gave pretty good service, too. I don't hold it agin' 'em that they're a tad tardy with the peanuts now that there's only two or three of 'em to look after a whole planeful.

But getting their knickers in a twist just because its their turn in the movie-villian barrel seems a mite on the touchy side. Chill pills would appear to be in order.

helpfully,
Bright

[LibDemAlways]

128. On a recent flight I could not get the

attention of the FAs at all. They were only looking at and talking to the people on the aisle. I was in a middle seat and was completely ignored until I loudly (but politely) said "Excuse me" to one who was coming down the aisle with little cups of water. She handed me one grudgingly, and when it came time to collect the trash later, again only took it from the guy next to me in the aisle seat. I ended up carrying the little empty cup and the wrapper from the sandwich I had brought with me off the plane to dispose of in the terminal.

I am well aware that the FAs are primarily on board for safety, but I can think of no valid reason why those in the middle and near the window didn't receive the same service as those on the aisle.

[usregimechange]

130. Its a movie for god sake!

[CTyankee]

132. Funny thing: THE FA WAS NOT A TERRORIST

in this movie. I just came back from seeing it. The flight attendant and the air marshall were trying to extort money as basically skyjackers. Yes, they used terror tactics but their mission was to extort millions and blame the Jodie Foster character. They even laughed about how great it was that a couple of Arab men on the flight got implicated (by Foster's character!)as terrorists.

I liked the movie, actually. I think Jodie is a hell of an actress and she did this part very well.

It did freak me out, tho. I'm going on a transatlantic flight in December and I probably shouldn't have seen this movie (TMI about the innards of these huge planes). Mercifully, I am flying Alitalia so I expect a nice dinner, a little wine, and delightful service.

[Fire Walk With Me]

134. It's a disney film? I gave money to disney? Crap...

Wish I'd looked a bit more closely at the credits. Jodie Foster is usually enough for me to buy a ticket, no questions asked.

Hey, if flight attendants are outraged, I wonder how all middle-east folks are, regarding the war on terra?

[mcar]

137. Flight attendants are rude, unhelpful and uncaring

I just saw the movie yesterday and loved it. Someone's always got a gripe about something, don't they?

[keroro gunsou]

139. for every bad story there is a good one...

my first time flying i flew united and the lady who was stationed near me sensed i was a tad nervous, so she got me a soda and calmed me down til take off. when she came back, i sorta got nervous again, and bent the metal armrest i was hanging onto for dear life....

she got a good laugh out it too, i know i did.

once i was in the air, it was all gravy. she kept checking on me, but it was smooth sailing.