4h ID Soldier Dies of Non-Hostile Gunshot Wound

[VolcanoJen]

This brings the October US Soldier Death Count up to 33. 27 US soldiers lost their lives in September, so it would definitely seem that it's been an especially bloody October. :-(

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20031024.txt

October 26, 2003
Release Number: 03-10-24C

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

4th ID SOLDIER DIES OF NON-HOSTILE GUNSHOT WOUND

BAGHDAD, Iraq – One 4th Infantry Division soldier died of a non-hostile gunshot wound in Ba’qubah at approximately 1:15 a.m. Oct. 26.

The soldier was taken to a nearby medical facility for treatment and pronounced dead.

The soldier’s name is being withheld pending next-of-kin notification.

[Iverson]

1. wait a second

By "non-hostile," is the implication suicide?

[alcuno]

2. It's a definite possibility.

The best way to get a read on what actually happened is to look for local articles associated with this death in the next few days. Centcom won't give out much more info than what they've said.

http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/


I believe that the military has confirmed the number of suicides as 12 and is investigating another 13 possible. Maybe now 14.

[TahitiNut]

3. I count 34 in October so far.

ONE KILLED, 15 WOUNDED IN ROCKET ATTACK AT HOTEL 10/26/03
4TH ID SOLDIER DIES OF NON-HOSTILE GUNSHOT WOUND 10/26/03
TWO 4TH ID SOLDIERS KILLED, FOUR WOUNDED IN MORTAR ATTACK 10/24/03
ONE 101ST AD SOLDIER KILLED IN SMALL ARMS FIRE ATTACK 10/24/03
ONE SOLDIER KILLED, TWO WOUNDED IN IED ATTACK 10/23/03
TWO 1ST AD SOLDIERS DIE IN SEPARATE NON-COMBAT INCIDENTS 10/23/03
ONE 377TH TSC SOLDIER KILLED, ONE INJURED IN ACCIDENT 10/21/03
ONE 82ND ABN DIV SOLDIER KILLED, SIX WOUNDED IN AMBUSH 10/20/03
TWO SOLDIERS KILLED, ONE WOUNDED IN AMBUSH (CORRECTED COPY) 10/19/03
ONE 220TH MP BDE SOLDIER KILLED, TWO WOUNDED IN IED ATTACK 10/17/03
THREE 101ST AD SOLDIERS KILLED, SEVEN WOUNDED IN ATTACK 10/17/03
3RD ACR SOLDIER FOUND DEAD IN EUPHRATES RIVER 10/14/03
TWO 1ST AD SOLDIERS KILLED, ONE INJURED IN VEHICLE ACCIDENT 10/14/03
ONE 4 ID SOLDIER KILLED IN RPG ATTACK 10/13/03
ONE 4 ID SOLDIER KILLED, TWO WOUNDED IN ATTACK 10/13/03
ONE 4 ID SOLDIER KILLED, ONE WOUNDED (CORRECTED) 10/13/03
TWO KILLED, FOUR WOUNDED IN AMBUSH 10/10/03
4TH ID SOLDIER DIES OF WOUNDS RECEIVED IN RPG ATTACK 10/9/03
THREE KILLED, TWO WOUNDED IN IED ATTACK 10/7/03
ONE SOLDIER KILLED, ONE WOUNDED IN IED ATTACK 10/7/03
ONE 4TH ID SOLDIER KILLED, ONE WOUNDED IN ATTACK 10/4/03
1ST AD SOLDIER DROWNS 10/3/03
ONE SOLDIER DIES OF WOUNDS RECEIVED IN RPG ATTACK 10/2/03
ONE SOLDIER KILLED, ONE WOUNDED DURING NIGHTTIME ATTACK 10/1/03
ONE SOLDIER KILLED AND TWO SOLDIERS WOUNDED IN TIKRIT 10/1/03

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/casualties.asp?searchDays=&searchType=2&searchMonth=10&searchYear=2003&searchTopic=

Winning the hearts and minds? :eyes: (Been there; done that.)

[VolcanoJen]

5. 34 it is. :-(

[Mari333]

4. I have searched on google

and there are no sites that show the body bags, no photos of the dead or wounded soldiers in Iraq, nothing, nada, nothing....not a damned thing...
The US public is not getting it until they SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE it..and its being blacked out ...................

[VolcanoJen]

6. No footage of flag-draped coffins at Dover AFB? Here's why:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=679&ncid=742&e=14&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917465

Pentagon officials point out that the ban on covering the return of dead soldiers was adopted at the end of the Clinton administration. Yet the policy has been breached several times with beneficial results for the military. When CIA (news - web sites) operative Johnny Spann was killed in Afghanistan (news - web sites) in December 2001, the media were allowed to cover the return of his remains, an event that spurred support for the war in Afghanistan.

Shielding these tragic arrivals from view is part of a troubling response to the public's recent war worries. In the past month, administration officials have criticized the media for painting too gloomy a picture of Iraq's postwar conditions. The reality, they say, is much more positive.

Throughout history, Americans have shown constancy in supporting just military endeavors. They persevered during World War II, even for much of the Vietnam War. But long-term support is dependent on honest portrayals. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld set the right standard last week in a candid memo to top staff obtained by USA TODAY. He acknowledged the enormous challenges in stabilizing Iraq and pushed top officials to think about how to address them.

[saigon68]

13. Mind Control

The SHEEP need to be kept content. In spite of what everyone here thinks, the majority of Amerikans are sheep.

The neocons think the PRESS lost Viet-Nam. therefore a news blackout.

BAA BAAA

[Whoa_Nelly]

8. Look here for "After" pics

Military Personnel Wounded in Iraq & Afghanistan:
A Photo Gallery




http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm

[Mari333]

10. I have that site

thats it...cant find anything else...bastards have blacked out all pics of whats really going on, the real pictures of the dead and wounded soldiers ...I would post them everywhere I could if I had them...
Its long overdue we saw them, and they are all over TV....people dont wake up until they see them, as with Vietnam...

[truth2power]

7. Question about "non-hostile"

Could some of you folks who've been in combat answer this? How often were individuals killed as a result of weapons misfiring, discharging while being cleaned, etc. Was that a rare occurance?

Since we get no real info on this I'm just wondering what could be reasonably attributed to the above. Knowing this, we could infer what could likely be due to suicide. Of course there's always "friendly fire".

Sadly, I guess even the families are not told the truth about how their son/daughter died.

[TahitiNut]

9. I was almost 'offed' twice by 'friendly fire' in 'Nam.

My bunk was on the second floor of the barracks, above the arms room. We rotated various overnight perimeter guard assignments, returning in the morning and returning our weapons and ammo to the arms room. I worked nights and slept (or tried to) during the day. I was awakened by rifle fire. I looked up and saw three close holes in the corrugated roof almost directly above my head. I looked down and saw a neat hole in the plywood floor about 18" over and in line with my head. I scrambled out and went down to the arms room. The armorer had been checking to see if the weapons (M14s) were dirty/rusty. He was going along the rack, removing the trigger housing, checking it, replacing it and (because removing it cocks the trigger) releasing the trigger. Someone left a live round in the chamber. Blam! If it'd been a few rifles down the rack, I'd have been shipped home in a body bag.

Another time, the company clerk was dusting the CO's office. When he ran the duster over an AK47 (with a banana clip in place) the CO (a total idiot) had hanging on the wall behind his desk, it triggered the AK which was in full-auto mode with a chambered round and full clip. It stitched across the ceiling (which was the floor of the barracks above). The CO's office was at the other end from the arms room. I'd just walked through the area (above) where the rounds were fired.

The idiocy competed with the insanity. It wasn't "the world." Incidents like these weren't unusual.

[newyawker99]

11. How terrible!!!

I am glad you made it back ok TN.

[louis-t]

12. Amazing!

how this administration tries to get total control of what we see and hear. Everything they don't want us to see is called 'classified', 'National security' and all that. What's amazing is how fast Bush will unclassify some bit of info if his butt is on the line. Makes your head spin.