ABC News reconstructs Kennedy assassination, confirms Warren Commission co

[aeon flux]

I'm a little skeptical on this one.
ABC isn't exactly a 'neutral' 3rd party.

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ABC News reconstructs Kennedy assassination,
confirms Warren Commission conclusion

San Francisco Chronicle

(10-27) 14:01 PST NEW YORK (AP) --

ABC News has conducted an exhaustive investigation of the Kennedy assassination, complete with a computer-generated reconstruction, which irrefutably confirms that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, the network said Monday.

A two-hour special on the event is scheduled to air Nov. 20, two days before the 40th anniversary of President John F. Kennedy's killing.

"It leaves no room for doubt," said Tom Yellin, executive producer of the special, narrated by Peter Jennings. He called the results of the ABC's study "enormously powerful. It's irrefutable."

The conclusion that Oswald alone shot Kennedy during a motorcade in Dallas mirrors that of the Warren Commission, the official government inquiry into the assassination. Even today, public opinion surveys find that less than half of Americans believe there was more than one shooter, said Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas.

But that reservoir of doubt, largely fed by government secrecy and Oliver Stone's movie on the assassination, is important to address, Yellin said.


link

[Syrinx]

1. yeah, ABC was originally a cia front

There's some weird shit going on right now.

[truthisfreedom]

2. tell us more about this ABC-CIA connection.

enquiring minds want to know.

[Syrinx]

3. I don't have links on demand

But I've read that in pretty mainstream sources.

[nolabels]

6. You have got to be kidding ;-)

How many do you need?

http://www.arizonademocracy.com/dma_news/dma_news_display.php?action=news_list&navigation=1&sortorder=unixtime&sortdirection=DESC&start_item=1&display_num=4

A Treasonous Media Cover-up

Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press

This is a two-page summary of fascinating accounts by 18 award-winning
journalists from the book Into the Buzzsaw, edited by Kristina Borjesson.

(snip)
John Kelly—author, ABC producer.
ABC hired me to help produce a story about an investment firm that was
heavily involved with the CIA. Part of the ABC report charged that the CIA had
plotted to assassinate an American, Ron Rewald, the president of investment firm].

Scott Barnes said on camera that the CIA had asked him to kill Rewald. After
the show aired, CIA officials met with ABC executive David Burke, was
sufficiently impressed “by the vigor with which they made their case” to order
an on-air “clarification.”

But that was not enough. Casey called ABC Chairman Goldenson.
despite all the documented evidence presented in the program, Peter
Jennings reported that ABC could no longer substantiate the charges.

That same day, the CIA filed a formal complaint with the FCC charging that
ABC had “deliberately distorted” the news. In the complaint, Casey asked that
ABC be stripped of its TV and radio Licenses….

During this time, Capital Cities Communications was maneuvering to buy ABC.
Casey was one of the founders of Cap Cities. Cap Cities bought
ABC. Within months, the entire investigative unit was dispersed.
P. 326-329
(snip)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up

[this_side_up]

4. does anyone remember hearing

on tv a report that said the Warren Commission lied?

I don't remember reading this in the paper; maybe it was
only on tv?

Time period: we moved here in August 97 so it was
between then and the year ___?

Hubby came home during the news and I growled "they
just admitted that the Warren Commission lied."

I think this current ABC show is nothing more than
more distraction ordered up by the Republicans.

[7th_Sephiroth]

5. thats why the exit wound

was from the angle of entry from oswalds position

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Yeah, right.

[nolabels]

7. I don't remember a thing, It's all the hard drives doing

and the JFK Assassination


Joe
5.21.2001




On November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was shot in Dallas, Texas at 1:30 p.m. while traveling in an open top presidential motorcade with Texas governor John Conally (Wicker). He was pronounced dead at 2 p.m. of a fatal head wound caused by one of the bullets (Wicker). Lee Harvey Oswald, the only person ever formally accused of the assassination, fled the Texas Book Depository (which overlooked the scene of the shooting) and, while on foot, was stopped by Officer J.D. Tippit at 2:15 p.m., whom Oswald killed with a revolver he had tucked in his pants (Wicker). At 2:40 p.m. Oswald fled to the Texas (movie) Theater. In a matter of minutes, he was arrested by several police officers and brought to a police station (Wicker).
By 2:30 a.m. the next day, Oswald had been formally charged with the murder of the president (Wicker). Oswald denied all charges of murder, and claimed his only crime was carrying the pistol (United StatesPresident's 168). The next day, at 12:21, Jack Ruby, a nightclub owner who may have had Mafia connections (JFK) shot Lee Harvey Oswald on live television at 12:21p.m. while Oswald was being escorted out of a heavily guarded Dallas prison. At 2:07 p.m., Oswald was pronounced dead (Wicker). In the months to come, Ruby was to be sentenced to life in prison.
The Warren Commission, representing the early government investigation into the assassination, issued a report with 552 witnesses' testimony filling 15 volumes, and nine volumes of exhibits including pictures, documents, and reports (United StatesPresident's xxxii). The conclusion of the commission's report is 888 pages long. The seven chairman did all this in seven days (United StatesPresidents 3). Anthony Lewis, writer for the New York Times, wrote "all 7 members of the commission went over, edited, and substantially rewrote the entire work" (United StatesPresident's xxxii). The commission concluded that Oswald shot from the Texas Book Depository, that no one else shot, and that Oswald lied to police about it (United StatesPresident's 183). This is what many Americans believe. But, in fact, there is considerable evidence that this story is wrong. Even a few other government agencies have questioned many of the assumptions and conclusions made by the Warren Commission.
Many agencies since the 60's have been commissioned to investigate the assassination, or its surrounding activities. Two such agencies are the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), and government scientists, among them D.B. Thomas (Lardner) have all recently challenged the Warren Commission's conclusions in favor of something a little more open to the possibility of a cover-up. These three government agencies concluded a conspiracy existed. Both the ARRB and the HSCA used the word "conspiracy", and the study conducted by government scientists concluded there was a 96.3 percent chance of multiple shooters (Lardner). They all cite the Zapruder film, an amateur taping of the assassination, and other government reports created by the Rockefeller Commission (Commission to Investigate Central Intelligence Agency Activities Within the United States) and the Church Commission (Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Agencies) which concluded that some sort of cover-up occurred in 1964. Both the FBI and the CIA "failed to communicate all relevant information to the Commission" (Murphy 3).
(snip)
http://www.headroyce.org/~us2001/joed/printable.html

[tlb]

8. Probably true but no way the tinfoil hats will ever believe it.

The actual question I think is was Oswald acting independently or on behalf of third parties. I gather the review doesn't address this.

Sounds like ABC is throwing their money away.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. The "actual question" has to do with whether or not Oswald...

1) actually fired any shots that day;

2) fired any shots at all from that broken-down Mannlicher-Carcano carbine, and then, what did he actually hit since he was actually a very poor shot as noted by his USMC records;

3) was set-up as a fall-guy for the assassination itself;


Additionally, how did a guy who was a USMC radar operator tracking U-2 flights in and out of Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan manage to "defect" to the USSR, get married to a relative of the USSR equivalent to the FBI, and then manage to get out of the USSR and back into the U. S. with no questions asked? Why did he have also have a CIA 201 personnel file?

So many questions...so little time to post them.

[Braden]

21. don't forget he borrowed the money to return from the State Department

Also how was the alleged murderer of the POTUS himself murdered inside a police station by a known felon?

[jmcgowanjm]

24. Zapruder Film/broken-down Mannlicher-Carcano carbine,

Like the Swordinthe Stone.

No one has been able to duplicate
three shots in less than 4 seconds.

With Accuracy.

[Minstrel Boy]

32. And one would expect, for a sole shooter, that

the first shot would be the most accurate, since it's the only one for which the shooter would have had time to set up.

In JFK's case, the first shot missed the motorcade entirely. It was the third shot which was the most accurate.

But the official story needs Oswald to get off three shots in four seconds because the timeframe demands. If Oswald had been the lone gunman, he would have needed and wanted to take at least several more seconds to set up the shots. And he was no marksman. (Though he was being impersonated at target ranges in the weeks before the assassination by sharpshooters, loudly spouting anti-Kennedy rants. Curious, huh?)

[Zhade]

35. Review the physics. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Oswald to have acted alone.

NT!

[Corgigal]

9. I'll probably watch it

but I too lean towards Oswald doing the deed alone. Sometimes things so tragic are what they are. I did read a book several years back which had an interesting take on Oswald. It was only one chapter but if you read everything on the Kennedy assassination it's another one you should look at. It dealt with motivations and other theories if anyone is interested. I put the link below:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375702482/qid=1067343697/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7113561-7776105?v=glance&s=books

[teryang]

10. They've got to be kidding

The Kennedy assasinations were classic CIA operations. There is an enormous amount of historical literature on the JFK assassination. Virtually none of it supports the Warren Commission findings. This is what is known in the public relations business as an "unbranded" attack on investigative journalists. The mainstream establishment wishes to restore itself as the ultimate arbiter of history.

The reason these stories to quash the suspicions of the majority of the public keep arising is that the secret government's modus operandi is readily apparent in past assassinations,once the facts are studied. Once understood they serve as a key for subsequent government covert operations like Mena drug trafficking and gun running, and domestic bank looting by the CIA during Iran Contra and ultimately the 911/anthrax coup d'etat. The entire political establishment is compromised by these operations not just neocons or the Bush regime. As one analyst recently pointed out, it isn't likely that the Saudis, the Pakistanis, the Israelis or Al Qaeda are the principal managers of 911 events and their sequelae.

Astute and damaging observations about covert operations in Florida and Pakistan are being made by talented analysts tying some very incriminating 911/anthrax threads together. For example just what what connections exist between AMI, the first anthrax fatality and two of the known hijackers? There is an obvious link between WTC and anthrax that no one looks at. The cover stories about al qaeda paymasters and evil ones are coming unraveled in Pakistan and in the courts. The evidence is largely circumstantial so the government needs to ridicule and discredit serious historians and analysts. Should the findings, analysis and opinions of private 911/anthrax investigations be allowed to go mainstream? No they need to be diverted, discredited and quashed because they lead straight to government. Evidence of treasonous acts need to be quashed at all costs.

[Minstrel Boy]

33. The cover-up extends well beyond the relatively small

circle of perpetrators, because exposure of the crime risks crippling the system which is life-support for the elite. Or, as you put it, "The entire political establishment is compromised by these operations not just neocons or the Bush regime."

This reminds me of what I posted elsewhere about Nixon's references to "the Bay of Pigs thing" on the smoking gun Watergate tape of June 23 1972. He told Haldeman to warn the FBI off the investigation, because it could "open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again." Haldeman said later that "Bay of Pigs" was Nixon's code for Kennedy's assassination. Nixon worried that probing the Cubans and E Howard Hunt would lead back to Dallas. About Hunt, Nixon says "You open that scab there's a hell of a lot of things... it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves." That last line is telling: Nixon is covering-up for crimes he himself did not commit, yet feels responsible to keep things hushed up.

"Conspiracy theory" is simply pattern recognition. After 40 years' worth of patterns, there's nothing tinfoily about it: governments lie, commit crimes, and cover them up.

[Zhade]

36. Brilliant!

"Conspiracy theory" is simply pattern recognition.

Excellent way to put it.

[saskatoon]

37. ABC NEWS

saskatoon (102 posts) Tue Oct-28-03 07:50 PM
Original message
ABC News


What a crock. All you have to do is go to your public Library and check out the tape(s)"The Men Who Killed Kennedy" Or get online on A+E PBS ordering and buy the tape(s)It will give you irrefutable evidence that it was the CIA, The Mob and the Miami Cubans, all in cahoot and all had the same agenda. I'm totally amazed that there are so many people on here who are being hoodwinked by being so damned naivé. Get the tapes, then come back and say you're not convinced! My son, at first said I was a "Conspiracy buff" Well after he looked at those tapes he apologized, he was totally convinced. You owe it to yourself---and your country---get informed, that is the only way that we can win against the bunch of crooked bastards who try and pull the wool over our eyes.

[Noordam]

13. Did they say if it was HARVEY or LEE?

{{{Watch this Space for new JFK Book on Harvey and Lee}}} :evilgrin:

[Octafish]

15. Yeah. Code name "Harvey" and code name "Lee" and...

... code name "Oswald" were just three. Maybe they were the tramps who look suspiciously like some figures out of the CIA anti-Castro Cuban community "Mr. George Bush" of the CIA talked with Mr. Hoover about...

Even the cop looks phony...



(e) The three tramps

1. INTRODUCTION

660. Immediately after the assassination, law enforcement officers conducted a search of the area behind the grassy knoll in which several railroad boxcars were situated. As a result of this search, approximately six to eight persons who appeared to be derelicts were taken either to the nearby Dallas County Sheriff's office, or to the Dallas Police Department for questioning. All were released without being booked, fingerprinted or photographed. (222) Among these "derelicts" were three men who, according to the arresting officers, had been found in a boxcar approximately one-half mile south of the assassination scene. (223) As the police led the three derelicts through Dealey Plaza to the sheriff's office, they were photographed by several press photographers. (224)

661. When allegations of a CIA connection with President Kennedy's death emerged in the years following the assassination, these photographs received wide publicity in newspapers, television and in the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek magazine. (225) It was claimed that two of the derelicts or "tramps," as they had come to be called, bore striking resemblances to Watergate burglars E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis respectively. (226) Allegations have been made that Hunt, who had been a CIA employee in 1963, Sturgis, who, while not an employee, had been involved in CIA-related activities, bad been together in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and had participated in the assassination as part of a CIA conspiracy.


http://jfkassassination.net/russ/infojfk/jfk6/tramps.htm

[ixion]

14. *yawn*

Yeah, whatever, ABC... ignore the facts, no one believes you anyway.

[Octafish]

16. Operation MOCKINGBIRD

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Media Manipulation

By Mary Louise

EXCERPT...

Starting in the early days of the Cold War (late 40's), the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success.  The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post).  Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.

Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens.  The CIA had infiltrated the nation's businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives by the 1950's.  CIA Director Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale with figures like George Herbert Walker Bush from the "Skull and Crossbones" Society.

Many Americans still insist or persist in believing that we have a free press, while getting most of their news from state-controlled television, under the misconception that reporters are meant to serve the public.  Reporters are paid employees and serve the media owners, who usually cower when challenged by advertisers or major government figures.  Robert Parry reported the first breaking stories about Iran-Contra for Associated Press that were largely ignored by the press and congress, then moving to Newsweek he witnessed a retraction of a true story for political reasons.  In 'Fooling America: A Talk by Robert Parry' he said, "The people who succeeded and did well were those who didn't stand up, who didn't write the big stories, who looked the other way when history was happening in front of them, and went along either consciously or just by cowardice with the deception of the American people."

CONTINUED...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, aeon flux! I likes the cut of your solar sail!

[nolabels]

19. Is this is why they call them Media whores

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html

The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the press in known to be controlled by the government, at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias is present, and to adjust for it. In the United States of America, we are taught from birth that our press is free from such government meddling. This is an insideous lie about the very nature of the news institution in this country. One that allows the government to lie to us while denying the very fact of the lie itself.
(snip)

and farther down the page of the link we have the CO-WINKY-DINKY THEORY. These folks crack me up in ways, sort of like kids in a club house. Call it something else when the dead stinking fish carcass shows up on your doorstep. Like its catfood, and we put it there on purpose.

(snip)
So how does the Post justify devoting so much energy to ridiculing those who
investigate conspiracies?

The Post has answers: people revert to conspiracy theories because
they need something "neat and tidy" (*88) that "plugs a gap no other
generally accepted theory fills', (*89. and "coincidence ...is always
the safest and most likely explanation for any conjunction of curious
circumstances ..." (*90).

And what does this response mean? It means that "coincidence theory"
is what the Post espouses when it would prefer not to admit to a
conspiracy. In other words, some things just "happen". And, besides,
conspiracy to do certain things would be a crime; "coincidence" is a
safer bet.
(snip)

You actualy have to laugh the stuff off, it's realy nothing but comedy

[SpiralHawk]

17. This will be the usual Disney version of the tRuTh

warped beyond all reality.

[Algorem]

18. Irrefutable computer cartoons.Case closed.

[Barrett808]

23. "They have the internet on computers now." -- Homer J. Simpson

Ooooh, computers!

Just like the CIA "simulation" that showed Flight 800 rocketing upward for a thousand feet without its forward section. "NOT A MISSILE."

[Minstrel Boy]

30. Well sure. Just like Colin Powell's cartoon presentation to the UN.

Damning evidence indeed. But of whose damnation?

[Say_What]

20. Anyone gullible enough to believe this sh*t deserves whatever they get

n/t

[Barrett808]

22. "Jack Ruby acted simply out of his love for Kennedy"

Almost spewed my coffee all over the screen!

[Minstrel Boy]

29. Ruby's statement after his trial:

"Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had- that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world."

Reporter: "Are these people in very high positions Jack?"

Jack: "Yes."

Yeah, Jack Ruby - gangster and FBI informant, associate of Oswald, Bay of Pigs conspirator, who was seen prowling the halls of Parkland Hospital just before the pristine and unmarked "magic bullet" was found on the empty hallway gurney, who went to Oswald's Friday night press conference with a loaded gun and corrected the District Attorney when he said Oswald was with the right-wing "Free Cuba Committee" instead of the left-wing "Fair Play for Cuba Committee," and who, according to detectives, was extremely nervous and sweating profusely until the news was received that Oswald was dead (Detective Don Archer said Ruby calmed immediately, as though his life depended on killing Oswald), etc, ad nauseum -

Yeah, that Jack Ruby. He just wanted to spare Jackie the grief. :eyes:

A video clip of Ruby's statement can be downloaded here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.mccarthy/jfkvideos.htm

[DemonFighterLives]

25. How can they peddle this crap?

There has been a couple investigations since that point out that the whole mess was a conspiracy. Anyone who believes Oswald acted alone is a fool and cannot comprehend the facts that are out there.

40 years is not enough as long as there are people alive who know the real truth. I was 4 when the deed was done and will never forget that our country has been in questionable hands ever since.

Is there any hope for America to get back to what we thought we were? And I used to like ABC. Nothing is sacred anymore. Right when the CIA appeared to go after the administration, we get another jolt backwards. :argh:

[jmcgowanjm]

26. Why was the Limo (evidence) destroyed/refurbished? n/t

[jmcgowanjm]

27. Who ordered the 120 degree turn/against all SS rules n/t

[xxqqqzme]

28. oliver stone's movie?

jeez, that movie came waaaaay, waaaaay, waaaaay, after most people questioned the Warren Commission report.

Oh, yeah, I'm believin' in Arlen Spector's 'magic bullet'.

[Braden]

31. Next week "Tooth Fairy Revealed"

[Zhade]

34. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...which irrefutably confirms that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone...

I want some of what these fools are smoking! They actually think there's still anyone stupid enough in America to buy that?