AP Radio: US Seals Off Tikrit Until ID Cards Are Given To All

[DUreader]

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3331773,00.html


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - American soldiers on Friday
sealed off the village where Saddam Hussein was
born and ordered adults to register for identity
cards, while insurgents mounted a series of
harassing attacks on U.S. military and Iraqi
government targets in the northern city of Mosul.

Starting around midnight Thursday, U.S. soldiers,
Iraqi police and civil defense forces moved into
Uja, a small dusty village about 10 miles southeast
of Tikrit.

Soldiers stretched concertina wire around the
perimeter of the village and established
checkpoints. Residents over the age of 18 will be
required to have registration cards to move in and
out of the village, U.S. officers said.

The New York Times reported Friday that senior
U.S. officials believe the former Iraqi leader, who is
believed to have been on the run since U.S. forces
took over Baghdad in April, is playing a major role
in coordinating and directing attacks against
American troops.

[TheLastMohican]

1. Holy Cow!

Iraq is turning into one big Gitmo concentration camp.

[saigon68]

8. TATTOO A # ON THE RAGHEADS </Sarcasm>

Guess these idiots never heard of a Fake ID card---Green card---
or Kennekarte ( The German ration card given to Warsaw ghetto inhabitants)

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The photograph is a still picture taken from the movie shot by the Russians when they liberated the camp. It shows a few of the 611 children at Birkenau who greeted the liberators. They are holding out their arms to show their tattoos. Notice that the boy in the front is wearing a prison uniform which looks as though it would fit an adult.

[ClintonTyree]

2. That will win over.................

the hearts and minds of our friends. They'll be dancing in the streets today.

[dbt]

3. Wow! Look at all the FREEDOM we just brought to Iraq!

AshKKKroft is probably sporting a two-inch woody over this!

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. That, of course, is after the enhancement.

[saigon68]

19. 2 inch woody-- obviously he needs the patch

I guess this will back fire too-- keep up the good work people. THE king HAS NO CLOTHES

[Nlighten1]

4. Let me see your papers!

Oh boy, this is going to do over well.

[jayfish]

38. Thats The First Thing That Popped Into My Head...

when I heard the story. With the appropriate Russian accent of course.

Jay

[0007]

5. Let the games begin -

I don't believe this is the answer.

[Iverson]

6. brave, new liberation

I guess without an ID card you can't be free.

[tom_paine]

32. Certainly that is the case in Imperial Amerika, Iverson

I predict our own National ID Cards are coming soon after the Stalinist Farce of a Joke of an Imperial Re-Appointment in 2004.

Clark is confused, you know. And with Electronic Touchscreen Free-Market Stalinist "voting" machines now in a significant number of states, does it even matter what the Imperial Subjects of Amerika think they voted for.

Corporate TV Pravda will TELL them who they voted for. And that will be that.

And then, the Lame-Duck Fuhrer Bunnypants will begin the penultimate phase of securing Hegemonic Imperial Power for his Dynasty...

Draft.
The end of Posse Commitatus.
National ID Cards.
more...

[Iverson]

41. I hope you're wrong but ...

... I'm not betting. We already have microchips in credit cards that can be tracked by satellite, and that "active denial technology" scares the willies out of me.

Hang tough.

[calimary]

34. HMMMM, sounds a little Apocalyptic to me...

Everyone shall be given a number and cannot buy or sell without it. Hmm... I know these schmucks are into taking the Bible a bit to literally, but - THIS????

[Iverson]

42. It does sound that way.

That wasn't intentional, just an attempt to logically extrapolate from a mentality that wants only to aggregate more power to itself, expressed in shorthand.

Cheers.

[DeathvadeR]

35. ya and who decides wheather you get an ID or not? n/t

[leftchick]

7. Nazi Tactics...

Disgusting..... :grr:

[Syncronaut Seven]

9. sieg heil

Boneheads. Bar codes this time? Maybe IBM can get a piece of this? :mad: The photo of Birkenau is heartbreaking, every time I want to be pissed at the Israeli's, someone reminds me. Fuck.

[jokerman93]

28. Bar Codes? That is sooo nineties!

Now that the $87bn is on its way, any day now DARPA should have the first 100 gross of tracking microchips ready to embed in all those liberated Iraqi butts.

I think such an expense goes under the category of "Infrastructure" doesn't it?

:nopity:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Sounds like a tactic used by the Israelis in the West Bank and...

...the Gaza Strip...surround, seal-off, round up the usual suspects, etc.

I wonder when the bulldozers will be employed to create "terrorist-free" democracy boulevards? I wonder how many male Iraqis will be "disappeared" or taken for helo rides over the open desert?

[Paschall]

12. Brought Stalinist USSR to mind

Can you say passports for domestic travel?

[TheLastMohican]

13. Not only stalinist USSR

Domestic passports existed in USSR until the collapse of USSR in 1991. You couldn't check in the hotel without one, or go to a resort and rent a room there.
There was a stamp called "Propiska" meaning place of your permanent residence where it was written exactly which city and street you live in.
In Stalinist times it was impossible to move whatsoever and peasant citizens didn't have a passport at all thus they couldn't move anywhere, while in Brezhnev times you couldn't change your propiska unless you received new flat in which case you would have to go through all bureaucracy circles to get a new stamp with new fixed place of residence.
These were draconian measures all right, but there was also a good side in it, it helped solve 95% of crimes, since the police always knew where to look for the possible suspects if they had the lead.

[jokerman93]

29. They didn't have credit cards in those days

LastMohican said:

>it helped solve 95% of crimes, since the police always knew where to >look for the possible suspects if they had the lead.

Politically unsanctioned crimes you mean...

[DeathvadeR]

36. They have them same thing going on in the US.

It's called credit. Everything purchsed is tracked and just try and travle without some form of creditcard.

[markses]

14. Ihren Papieren, bitte.

Liberation dreams....

[UpInArms]

15. the re-naming of this mission

should be

Operation Iraq Oil - OIL -

this is not about liberating the Iraqis, this is about stealing their assets and imprisoning the people :mad:

[Rose Siding]

16. msnbc picked it up

Soliers going door to door in Tikrit

[underpants]

17. Well it sounds awful but it actually is a good idea

Last week a report came out (from where I don't remember) that the US troops are not properly trained to detect false ID's and know what should send up flags. NPR had a report on this featuring a former Air Force pilot who now drives a taxi in Baghdad. He said that fake ID's are available for $50 and that without local knowledge it would be hard to determine who should be where. He said that hiring former Iraqi military would help ease the confusion.

Like I said this sounds terrible but for Joe GI over there if there was a way to identify who they are actually talking to it would help. Now how are they going to stop these ID's from being faked?

[saigon68]

18. Fake Green cards

Walmart apparently has a problem with these too. LOL

[dawgman]

22. you are right, subjugating people to humiliation

by house to house goon squads who just want to get to know them is a GREAT way to improve relations and decrease the likelihood that they will try to kill us.

[underpants]

23. From a strictly security standpoint it is a good idea

By the way do you have a driver's license or a walking ID? Were you forced to get one or did you know that you needed one for identification purposes and the ability to drive a car? Are there vagrancy laws were you live?

Look we bemoan the situation in Iraq as we read about it and the deaths of American servicemen well this is a direct action to try to stop both. No it won't win a lot of people over but I think the situation (no matter how they spin) it is such that you have to secure the area first.

[dawgman]

24. The problem is, the more "measures" we take along these lines

the worse the problem becomes. There were 19 hijackers, none were Iragis. Next time I'm willing to bet that a few will be. And more gestapo tactics create more willing volunteers to kill Americans.

[underpants]

25. Okay that is the long term view

Which of course should be the goal, you are right about that.

But for right now this is a good move in THAT city. In fact this should have been what we did in Afghanistan (as much as you can) instead of smacking the hornet's nest off the tree.

[dawgman]

27. How long will it even be effective?

How long until falsified ID cards are on the market? A few days? Maybe a couple of weeks? It just doesn't seem like any short term gains this will give us will/can last more than a few days while the negatives could, perceivably be there for years to come. Shortsighted, but I guess alot of policies are these days.

[underpants]

31. I don't know

but the policy that is in place there now is obviously not working or they wouldn't have taken this step.


I do think that the rose colored view that W&co. are taking about painting schools and buying new textbooks is missing a crucial part that is necessary. Yes we must get the economy running again (that would work most everywhere ;-) ) but you must also establish a society where the rules and laws are very clear and that violating them simply will not be tolerated, much like any place that has some degree of "civilization". Should it be house to house, kicking in doors, and using dogs? No, not in a perfect situation but this is not a perfect situation, far from it. As the governing and law enforcing body you must let the people know that they are protected. No place is completely protected nor can it be but you must, especially when starting with a very dirty slate, put your foot down. That is the WHAT the HOW is a whole other argument.

[dawgman]

33. Fair enough, It does seem though that the

US armed forces is the wrong entity to be policing a foreign nation that speaks a foreign tongue. And yes I know that, logistically, the Iraqis cannot police themselves. Seems we have a catch-22.

[Unknown Known]

20. Marshal Law - coming to a city near you!

Perhaps this is a dry run:think:

[tom_paine]

30. You got, Imperial Amerika, 2021...

(or so, depending on the breaks...)

Emperor Ahnold (Im-a-Bushevik-but-my-nam-aint-Bush-so-stop-sayign-we-are-a-hereditary-empire) decrees National ID Cardsw without exception.

Crackdowns on so-called "Free Americans" working outside the Imperial System ae being instituted all over the nation..

Ok, I'm being optimistic here, I suppose. national ID Cards are probably coming as soon as the Stalinst Farce of 2004 re-appoints Emperor Bunnypants*, along with the end of Posse Commitatus and the draft...

But Emperor Ahnold may well institute the final gleitschlaung of the remaining resistance elements in 2021...

[Syncronaut Seven]

40. You say "gleitschlaung"

I say gleitschlang, If your going to make me translate check your spelling! ;)

I guess we should all be learning "das deutsche languange" now. :(

[leesa]

21. Right, or until we have three nights of consecutive full moons. Tattoo

anyone??

[TrogL]

26. If those cards have a number

the Christian fundies are going to shit bricks.

[MostlyBlackCat2]

39. Let them

They're the ones who put this fool in power and made this crap happen. Let them shit bricks and I hope they're big and painful. This is fascism. but then again, why shold we be surprised? really? I don't think anything this administration does can ever surprise me again. it's just sickening.

moving to canada asap.

[VolcanoJen]

37. AP article on Yahoo!

Hearts and minds, folks. Hearts and minds...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20031031/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_searching_for_saddam

[Aidoneus]

43. zachistki?

:argh: