Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush (Gallup poll - 56% disapproval)

[sabra]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/

New poll: A majority doesn't approve of his handling of Iraq

President Bush's approval ratings do not appear to have changed significantly, despite a number of recent speeches he's given to shore up public support for the war in Iraq and its historic elections on Thursday.

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, with a majority, or 52 percent, saying it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq. More than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviews were conducted before President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday. (Read what he said.)

Although half of those surveyed considered Iraq's first full-term parliamentary election since the ouster of Saddam Hussein either a major or key step toward the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, only 40 percent felt the U.S. was winning the war. Half said that neither side was winning.

[maddezmom]

1. good news

:)

[rfranklin]

2. He's shot his wad....

The majority of Americans know he's a liar and a crook.

[sonicx]

6. ...and America didn't swallow.

;)

[grytpype]

8. Ew. n/t

[BenDavid]

3. Now is the time for the

Democrats to step up to the plate and hit bushit hard, harder, hardest and have a plan that all that agree on concerning our troops in Iraq. What will save the repugs is the democrats going off in all different directions and having no clear cut plan for Iraq....Plus, begin the war cry about bushit's illegal use of wire taps on Americans... This is the time to do this.....Not after the holidays and give the mediawhores time enough to support bushit over this period....

[Pirate Smile]

4. It doesn't matter what he says when you don't believe a word that comes

out of his mouth.

[flamin lib]

5. It's good news, bad news.

John Q doesn't pay attention to news. It takes a long time to move the non-attentive masses in one direction or another. The good news is that they have finally moved in our direction--the direction of truth--the bad news is that they can be moved back with a steady message and repeated slogans.

A year is an eternity in politics . . .

[melody]

7. 56% does suggest the "non-attentive" masses are attentive n/t

[electropop]

12. Wait until the post-wiretap polls come out!

Either they'll show dramatically lower approval, or (if people think of their own lines being tapped) dramatically higher.

:scared:

[katty]

15. gees it took them long enough!

[Voltaire99]

16. Heh.

Yeah, the masses sure are attentive, Melody! That's why you can't steal elections from them in broad daylight. Or run complete dunderheads for office. Why, those attentive masses just won't stand for it!

In fact, if nothing else, the 2004 elections prove that you can barely get half the country to pay attention even after 9/11, Iraq, Patriot Act, Enron, torture, etc.

[melody]

18. What it proves, Voltaire...

is that people are easily manipulated psychologically, when you know the media environment they live in, their backgrounds, etc. *Everyone* can be manipulated, if "they" have enough information. It's not just us.

We don't inhabit our country as others inhabit theirs. We're going to have a different response than the general one.

[flpoljunkie]

9. Thanks for the link. Americans do see the Chimperor-in-Chief is nekkid!

[cliss]

10. Americans care about Iraq......

but they care more about what's going on at home.

1) The economy
2) jobs
3) the government deficit.

At local Al-Anon meetings, they read a preamble which goes like this: "each meeting must be fully self-supporting and take care of their own expenses before they send any donations to New York".

The message is very simple: the U.S. MUST take care of its own citizens before we reach out and spend $500 billion in Iraq.

[warrens]

11. Welcome home, chickens

Here's your roost.

When you get over 60 percent, it's a tipping point. People are not going to change their minds about the war just because Smirkalicious finally admits "fuck-ups happened" in that passive voice. You can see every speech getting more and more desperate, slinging mud and screeching that everyone who opposed the war was just a bush-hater, playing politics.

They ran this war arrogantly, ignorantly, dishonestly and unnecessarily. If an argument could have been made at the time for an invasion, their incompetent bungling has made the war unwinnable in any meaningful sense. Better to go crawling to the U.N. to send in peacekeepers and supervise the establishment of a real government.

Because our integrity is shot, no one believes a word Smirky and his punks say, most of the world hates our guts, and the Worst President Ever is going to have Iraq as his legacy alright, just not in the way he thought.

[rmgarrette64]

17. Good news is in the eye of the beholder, apparently

Perhaps it's hearing this same news from my rather Conservative husband, but I see almost the opposite in this poll. Bush's poll numbers have been improving, not dropping. His favorables were in the mid 30's two weeks ago, and are now in the mid 40's. Is unfavorables have been staying fairly constant over that same period in the low to mid 50's. In other words, it looks like he is gaining momentum, rather than losing it.

So, are we reading them wrong? What am I missing, that everyone seems so happy here? Is the fact that his unfavorables have remained where they are better news than I think? Help me out here.

R. Garrett

[xchrom]

13. steamroller, baby!

[katty]

14. great news...he acts desperate cause he is desperate

[RamboLiberal]

19. Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush (CNN/USA Today Gallup)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html

President Bush's approval ratings do not appear to have changed significantly, despite a number of recent speeches he's given to shore up public support for the war in Iraq and its historic elections on Thursday.

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviews were conducted before President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday. (Read what he said.)

Although half of those surveyed considered Iraq's first full-term parliamentary election since the ouster of Saddam Hussein either a major or key step toward the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, only 40 percent felt the U.S. was winning the war. Half said that neither side was winning. (View poll results)

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[TheCowsCameHome]

21. Plenty of time for that later, down at the pig farm.

[4_Legs_Good]

22. This wire tap stuff is gonna hurt him even more

If he had any brain, he'd shut himself up in the White House and pretend like he was hard at work and shut the f*ck up. Every time he opens his mouth he's just damning himself further. Sure it keeps the base happy, but the base is showing itself to be smaller than previously estimated.

No amount of "campaign style speeches" seem to be helping at all. Nobody likes the idea that he's taken extra-Constitutional authority to spy on American citizens. This man is going down in flames.

Now we need to hold this feeling for 10.5 more months. I think we can do it.

david

[skipos]

23. kick

[Triana]

24. Iraq speeches, election don't help Bush (no bump in approval)

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll interviews were conducted before President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday. (Read what he said.)

Although half of those surveyed considered Iraq's first full-term parliamentary election since the ouster of Saddam Hussein either a major or key step toward the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, only 40 percent felt the U.S. was winning the war. Half said that neither side was winning. (View poll results)

...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html

[cliss]

25. This does not surprise me.

I wasn't expecting Bush to round up any more numbers from his latest attempt at futility.

It's over, Bush.

[Triana]

26. This was before his Sunday Feces-flingfest but...

...I doubt his ratings get much of a boost from what people know are just more freakin lies.

[NanceGreggs]

27. Every time * opens his fat trap ...

"The poll interviews were conducted BEFORE President Bush's Oval Office address, which was broadcast on primetime television Sunday."

That means those numbers will be DOWN even further in the next poll ...

[Triana]

28. Something to look forward to...

...a really nice HOLIDAY would be if Duhbya got hung out to dry over his spying on U.S. citizens (not impeached, just in a whole lotta political hot water - 'cause we know he probably won't be impeached no matter *what* he does). And if Fitz can put Rover in a nice little box for us that'd be oh-so-nice.

Merry Fitzmas and Happy HOLIDAYS...Mwhahaaa!

[ktowntennesseedem]

29. MSNBC.com must be looking at some other poll:

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According to their numbers, the Chimp is on the rebound big-time. I'm going to puke!

:puke:

[jefferson_dem]

30. Negative Attitudes on Iraq Prove Hard to Change (Chimp at 41%) (GALLUP)

Half still believe U.S. can't achieve victory in Iraq
by Lydia Saad

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- President George W. Bush's speech to the nation Sunday night squarely addressed several of the areas where there is the greatest divergence between the administration and the public on Iraq, including whether the United States is winning or losing the war, and whether Bush has a plan that can achieve victory.

A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll suggests that despite hitting these same points in four previous speeches around the country since Thanksgiving, Bush has not succeeded in moving public opinion on Iraq in any significant way. The Dec. 16-18 survey was conducted after the Dec. 15 Iraqi election -- widely hailed for its high turnout -- but before Bush's Sunday night address to the nation in which he forcefully made the case for staying the course in Iraq.

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Just slightly more than half of American adults, 52%, say that sending U.S. troops to Iraq was a mistake while 46% disagree. About half of Americans (49%) also tend to believe the United States will eventually win the war in Iraq, while 47% doubt this. These results are generally consistent with public opinion on Iraq throughout the fall.

The need for Bush to clearly articulate a plan for achieving victory in Iraq -- as he did Sunday night -- is evident as the weekend poll shows only 42% of Americans believe he has such a plan. Despite the administration's efforts, the majority of Americans have said in three polls conducted since Nov. 30 that Bush does not have a plan.

Bush's latest job approval rating on Iraq (37% approve, 61% disapprove) is even more negative than his overall job rating. As of the weekend poll, 41% approved and 56% disapproved of the overall job Bush is doing as president. Both ratings are very similar to where they stood earlier this month, although Bush's overall job approval rating is slightly higher than the 38% average rating he received in three pre-Thanksgiving Gallup Polls in November.

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http://poll.gallup.com/content/?ci=20503

[underpants]

31. But but ABC had a MAJOR poll that has W at a MAJOR 47%

it's MAJOR

Gallup lower than ABC?

[nolabels]

33. Polls are inaccurate when measuring the disgruntled and disenfranchised

Them polls may work for voting, but even in a wanta-be police state many could be slipping through the cracks. The plus or minus that could be part of an equation might be missed. Calling poor people who are trying to scrape up a living would probably prove problematic at any rate.

The establishment is trying to measure how well it's established, do you believe them?

[Stil]

32. First off what war?

Didn't we win the war in Iraq already? I am tired of them calling it a war still. Gets to let chimp walk around like the "war president". And keep the war as a club to beat at anyone who disagrees. The war has been over, sadaam deposed, the military wiped out, a new government installed. Its a reconstruction now. I guess it just does not sound right a sound bite. And can you imagine him getting up and saying he is the "reconstruction president" it would put it in true light and show what kind of failure he is.