Dutch Islamists post cartoons depicting Anne Frank, Hitler in bed

[ECH1969]

A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its Web site in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers last year and offended many Muslims.

The cartoons were posted on the Arab European League's site on Saturday. It was not working Sunday morning because of exceeded bandwidth.

Dyab Abou Jahjah, the party's founder and best-known figure, defended the action on the Dutch television program Nova Saturday.

"Europe has its sacred cows, even if they're not religious sacred cows," he told the program.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/678639.html

[Selatius]

1. I start to question religion a lot nowadays and how it divides people n/t

[jahyarain]

13. good

i wish more would because division is the only thing religion is good for

[Bellamia]

15. Started questioning YEARS ago........

seems it is getting worse. Geez, what next.I can think of some possible cartoons....hope no one comes up with them , the world is in enough deep sh#@&t as it is!

[KittyWampus]

16. It's not Religion, It's the people using Religious Rhetoric to mask their

hatred.

ALL religions are about joining together in Unity.

Any rabble rouser who preaches divisiveness is the antithesis of what Religion is about.

And hopefully I can be spare the "no good Scotsman" crapola.

[MrPrax]

34. Yeah it is...

If people using Religious Rhetoric to mask their hatred, then which religious people are using their religious rhetoric to mask their Unity?

Little confused as to why you insist on ignoring the INEVITABLE problem of religious 'hatred', while hoping some religious notion of 'love' or 'unity' will save the day.

This is like the 'catholic' rap my buddy gives me. "oh, there are people trying to change the Church and I should support them?"

How? Have another Reformation? Amazingly arrogant of someone to THINK that in 2000 years, and the many many people who have tried to change the Church which included high bishops, kings, theologians, generals, foreign invaders, entire countries, etc etc, -- they all failed, but folks like him, are working hard to change it and give it money and feel the need to defend it, when bishops demand political leaders follow Church doctrine...

It would be nice IF religious people spent less time with 'their relationship with God' and a little more time on looking at their religions as institutions and political movements.

When people start to do that, then, YES, indeed, the "no good Scotsman" argument will be defeated.

BUT if you still insist on looking at it ONLY as theology, then there are people claiming to be a BETTER scotman than YOU.

[VirginiaDem]

61. May the hammer of Thor strike you down for blasphemy! n/t

[Ben Ceremos]

47. I was under the assumption

that we are already unified under the rubric "human beings".
I don't need false gods, any gods. Religion is a virus. Resist.

[Bill McBlueState]

75. just because you think it's crapola

doesn't mean it's not appropriate to describe the dewey-eyed fantasy you're espousing.

What if I make up a bunch of shit about hating people with outie-style belly buttons and call it a religion? (Religions have been founded on less plausible grounds than that!) Is it automatically about joining together in capital-U Unity just because I decide to call it a religion?

[mitchum]

57. Religion is IRRATIONAL, so it's quite a stretch to expect the ...

religous to behave in a rational manner.

[drhilarius]

73. As you should...

as more people come to question religion, the sooner we can rid our planet and our species of this plague.

[htuttle]

2. When Religious Wars deteriorate into the 'Aristocrats joke'

So the Pope, two mullahs and a rabbi walk into a booking agents office...

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. Freedom of expression

gotta love it.

[ECH1969]

4. I found the picture

[YOY]

6. OMG! I'm going to burn down the Saudi embassy right now!

Gimme a break...that's just stupid.

[Renew Deal]

31. You might not want to say Saudi in the US.

Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Pakistan would be preferable. Thanks, Management

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Right...

Remind me to burn something down.

Two points from my perspective:

1) People who get this worked up over religion are mentally ill.

2) Even if you accept that people's bizarre fetishes with invisible sky fairies should be humored, you don't get to inflict your religious taboos on other people.

Imagine Catholics burning down condom factories, and threatening to attack anyone who uses contraceptives, even though they are not Catholic.

Imagine Jews issuing fatwas calling for the assassination of Jimmy Dean and the burning of Bo Jangles for selling sausage biscuits.

Your "religious freedom" STOPS where it interferes with my rights and safety.

[smirkymonkey]

50. Well put.

"Your religious freedom STOPS where it interferes with my rights and safety." One of the best sentences I have heard in this ongoing debate.

[Zhade]

58. Indeed - and that includes education and laws.

NT!

[democracyindanger]

62. Imagine doctors being assassinated

for performing abortions, and the killer aided in hiding by fellow believers.

Oh, wait.

[Kelvin Mace]

63. Well, yeah...

The Christian Right is infested with the same kind of loonies infesting Islam.

[Canuckistanian]

20. I'm outraged!

Well, maybe just a little disturbed. Well, not disturbed, just... couldn't care less.

Lame.

[Emendator]

48. Wow, I guess they sure showed us

They are digging their own grave - "Let's try to sway world opinion by making jokes about genocide". These nitwits care more about their dead religious figure than they do about real people.

[genie_weenie]

52. ha what a sucky picture!

the swastika is incorrectly positioned. This photo makes me so mad I want to laugh in the artists face.

Sacred Cows make the best steaks...


Of course if it had been a picture of Attila the Hun and Pope Leo in a compromising situation I might have had to allow myself to be led about the nose by my countries Corrupt leadership...

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Will there be rioting in West Palm Beach?

Somehow I doubt it.

[MrPrax]

38. Nawh...

Maybe they can make a few phone calls, support special interests and occupy Iraq and then bomb the shit out of Iran.

--rioting is so 2000 elections and usually done by provocateurs and is state-sponsored.

[Yupster]

46. Oh Geeze a West Palm Beach riot

History will call it the "Butterfly Riot" and there's no telling what will get burned down.

The only one sure to come out okay will be Pat Buchanon.

[Coastie for Truth]

7. Old and dupe

- if that's the best the Islamists can come up with ... or as I posted previously


"Sticks and Stones My Break My Bones But Names Will Never Hurt Me"

[calimary]

22. No kidding. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

This is deteriorating into a STOOOOOOOOOpid little schoolyard snitfit. Neener-neener-neener.

For chrissakes, it's a frickin' CARTOON!!!!

[Coastie for Truth]

26. Time to roll the gregors and nosh some hamentaschen.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are going down as was foretold in the Book of Esther.

[MakeItSo]

71. Didn't they think world was flat when "The Book of Esther" was written?

Quoting the Bible as some sort of crystal ball is kinda silly, ain't it? Especially since everything was so friggin' backward when it was written. Should we also ask the Bible how to prevent the Blue Screen of Death on our PCs? It's like taking ettiquette lessons from the Beverly Hillbillies. Yes, we've actually PROGRESSED in all these years, Believe It... Or Not.

[Renew Deal]

32. When does the shooting start?

That's what I'm waiting for. When is the holy war for all the marbles going to start?

[FooFootheSnoo]

25. I agree

It's such a childish response.

[msongs]

8. so they admit mohammed is a "sacred cow". nt

[Nevernose]

70. Very astute!

Thanks for pointing that one out!

[dave29]

9. That's just gross.

Well played, Islam!

[joeybee12]

10. Thank you, Dyab, for proving your people can rise above all this...

...what a shit.

[iverglas]

36. "your people"

Thank you, Dyab, for proving your people can rise above all this...
...what a shit

What a fine example of ascribing negative characteristics to an entire group based on the actions of a handful of its members ...

What shit.

[LostinVA]

11. Yeah, "lampoon" a teenaged girl who was murdered

Real classy, man.

May the gods protect us from hypocritical zealots of ANY stripe.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Yes, she & her family were hidden by good Dutch people.

Of course, others turned them in to the Nazis.

[Straight Shooter]

68. Like the right wing lampooned Rachel Corey (sp?) who was bulldozed.

As several here have noted, religion does seem at times to bring out the worst in people.

(It also brings out the best in other people, but that's another issue.)

[superconnected]

14. They are so against racial hatred by depicting people in cartoons

that they are now showing racial hatred by depicting people in cartoons.

Wonder if the RW feels good to find moran-isism and hyprocrisy isn't just limited them. Somehow I doubt they'll get it though and instead want to post American islamic hatred cartoons in response.

[DemExpat]

17. They have been charged for this.

BTW - they removed this from the site after the Nova broadcast.

DemEx

[rd_kent]

18. THATS IT!!!! Tit for tat!!!

What a bunch of buffoons!

[wordpix]

21. disgusting, moronic & promoting hatred-take these thugs who are burning

down European embassies and throw them in jail.

[MakeItSo]

72. Have you seen what your tax dollars are paying for in Iraq?

I suppose I'd be as self-righteous as you are if I didn't know that my tax dollars have caused more death and violence than a thousand of these violent rabble-rousers burning down embassies.

[The Witch]

23. Whatever they want to do. :shrug:

We'll complain and they'll try to equate that with rioting.

Sigh. What asses these propagandists are being.

[WinkyDink]

24. Just evidences the vileness of their brand of Islam.

And CORROBORATES the idea behind the cartoon they are so offended by.

[Dhalgren]

27. All religions that posit a "god"

are fundamentally nihilistic. The exception would be the religion that did not devolve into destructive behavior. "Religion" on a societal level is never about "religion", it's always about power and control and money. All Islamists believe that everyone else is wrong. All Christianists believe everyone else is wrong. All Jews believe everyone else is wrong. Each of these groups will have individuals who will "say" that don't think that way, but they are not to be believed. This type of silly back and forth between religionists is to be expected; it escalating into violence is almost a foregone conclusion...

[FlaGranny]

28. It's something like world soccer, isn't it? n/t

[Dhalgren]

33. Yeah. Religious hooliganism! LOL

:rofl:

[Critters2]

37. As a Progressive Christian

I'm gonna have to disagree with ya here. I follow the teachings of Jesus precisely because they call on me NOT to behave the way you describe. Your broad brush is offensive at one level, just silly at another. If everyone were practicing the religion I espouse, nothing would be burned down.

[FlaGranny]

43. Did you read what you wrote?

Very interesting: "If everyone were practicing the religion I espouse, nothing would be burned down." "If everyone were practicing the religion I espouse"?

[Dhalgren]

45. Good catch!

:hi:

[Dhalgren]

44. Any "Christian" who says that the acceptance and

acknowledgment of Jesus' sacrifice is NOT necessary for salvation is not a "Christian" as far as I can see. If you say that Jesus is not "the way" to salvation, but only "a way" (take it or leave it - it isn't necessary), then you are a new kind of Christian and I am not familiar with your religion.

[Triana]

29. this tit-for-tat is petty and rediculous, IMO (n/t)

[gauguin57]

30. Keep in mind ...

... this all started cuz ...

1) The Danish newspaper sent out a challenge to cartoonists to do a Mohammed cartoon ... as an experiment (to see whether they'd censor themselves).

2) Few of those cartoons were ever published.

3) The Saudis were in trouble because they didn't protect the pilgrims who died in the Hajj last month. So, they passed around both printed and UNPRINTED cartoons in the Middle East to stir things up and get the heat off themselves (just like the Bushies do every time push comes to shove).

This is totally manufactured chaos.

The whole world has gone absoultely nuts. Along with the "leader of the free world," so no one should be surprised.

[Julius Civitatus]

35. Danish Muslims used FALSE CARTOONS to spark this outrage

Uh oh!!!

Apparently there's more to the story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x346477

[KoKo]

39. Bush has set a New Tone for the World to follow! Eye for an Eye and

this is the result.

[slackmaster]

40. How very tasteful

:boring:

[High Plains]

41. All right, a race to the bottom!

[ButterflyBlood]

42. OK, now we're even

You guys got to publish a stupid cartoon too. Now maybe the rioting could stop? Too bad that ain't happening.

[Generator]

49. Of course they got it wrong

Because Nazi's were extremely forbidden to sleep with Jews. No blood mixing-and yes it's outrageous-what to think of Anne Frank as a whore-is that the idea-but we know there isn't a shred of truth to that or even to the idea that Jews prostituted themselves to get along with Nazi's. No-they were just murdererd wholesale.

I was watching a Kathy Griffin taped comedy concert last night. Man-is she offensive to everyone. But the thing about comedy is that it is an exaggeration of a truth that can't be said any other way.

The truth of the cartoon is that yes, the Muslim religion and Mohammad are being used to fuel a ticking bomb-that yes-kills people. There is probably right now in Iraq someone with a bomb strapped to him using the excuse of his religion to kill people (as some would on DU-justified if it's an American solider-I don't say that-but more irony-the bombers kill more of their own people than they ever do Americans)
It just is an uncomfortable truth. So Mohammed with a turban shaped like a ticking bomb-yeah that's an exaggeration of a real truth. Ann Frank sleeping with Hitler is just absurd. Not the same at all. Of course, all Muslims aren't using their relgion to kill-very few are-but it's the essence of the clash of cultures.

The other cartoon I saw was God in heaven saying to the suicide bombers-already enough-we are running out of virgens. That's almost darn funny if it weren't so sad. That's offensive because it shows Allah or Mohammad or because it's a truth they don't want to face? I don't know-I know many are killing because they are young, hopeless, radicalized and USED- told to believe in the virgens as one reward for killing. But the cartoon is offensive? No the idea tha they let anyone believe that killing someone gets a reward in heaven is what's offensive.

Many here and most in the Muslim world thing the cartoons were there to make the Muslims feel bad, to outrage them. Of course, introspection is totally lost because they only have on reaction: my relgion is holy, my prophet is holy and I see no evil being committed in the name of my religion. It doesn't even exist apparently.

[martymar64]

51. Makes me glad to be an atheist!

Think for yourselves and burn down the missions. (Let the missionaries go though, no killing needed)
Just kill God!

[cynatnite]

56. I support killing god n/t

[entanglement]

53. I give up, humanity is DOOMED

More gasoline on an already raging fire!

:banghead:

[DuaneBidoux]

54. Big shit.

[cynatnite]

55. It's a freaking cartoon war!

This is all beyond stupid.

[htuttle]

59. The Crusades have finally jumped the shark!

[Lorien]

60. A world guided by pre-pubescents

gee-all those colleagues of mine in the National Cartoonists Association; who knew they were all powerful?

[IndianaGreen]

64. Great observations, cynatnite, htuttle, and Lorien!

A freaking cartoon war, indeed! The Crusaders have finally jumped the shark, and it is a world guided by pre-pubescents.

:popcorn:

[HuffleClaw]

65. i shudder to think that our grandchildren are going to read in history

books about the CARTOON WAR. really, this is getting beyond silly.

[Endangered Specie]

66. and I bet good money there wont be a Dutch mob

burning down any embassies in Amsterdam over it.

[Harper_is_Bush]

67. To all the people making cynical comments about how no violence will ensue

you are adding nothing to the debate.

In fact, you are detracting from it.

[MakeItSo]

69. Wrong, we in the West don't burn embassies, we start wars

This whole cartoon thing is being used to incite violence among Muslims as just another pretext for war, to feed The War Machine.

Think about who REALLY is violent these days, on a macro level.

Well, there's Sudan. And then, there's the US.

[JI7]

74. actually, it's making a huge point about Islam and other religions

doesn't it say something that the response to this is not nearly as bad as it was when it was Muslims being offended. even when you only look at the extremists.

i guess they believe Allah approves of this cartoon of Hitler in bed with Frank ?

[rinsd]

80. "In fact, you are detracting from it."

Not really. If the discussion is provocation and the reaction to it. I think the comments are pertinent.

[0rganism]

76. Ghandhi was right, the world has gone blind

Now all we need is a one-eyed man to step up and be king...

[instantkarma]

77. I just farted.

more like a poot, really.

[SKKY]

78. Well, well, well....I suppose we're going to see just how far...

...we're all willing to go to defend free speech. I wonder what the response will be to this.

[Yupster]

79. There won't be any response

other than lots of people looking at it and thinking that the guys who did this are really fucked up.

But that's okay. If screwed up people want to show the world just how lame they are, I guess that's okay.

No, I don't expect to see the newspaper building burned down in response.