Suit airs Able Danger claims

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/14225641p-15049903c.html

Suit airs Able Danger claims
Two operatives in secret program say their lawyers were barred at hearings.
By James Rosen -- Bee Washington Bureau
Published 2:15 am PST Saturday, March 4, 2006
Story appeared on Page A12 of The Bee
WASHINGTON - Two operatives at the center of the Able Danger controversy have sued the Defense Department for denying them contact with their lawyers during closed congressional hearings and other probes of the covert intelligence program.

Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and J.D. Smith were among a dozen intelligence officers and contractors who worked on the clandestine program set up long before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to track al-Qaida. They are accusing the Pentagon and two of its largest components - the Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency - of violating their First Amendment rights by blocking their access to legal counsel during the closed sessions.


The lawsuit, filed Monday with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, marks the first time that the incendiary claims at the center of the Able Danger saga have been made in court.
"Able Danger identified the Sept. 11, 2001, attack leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot's 19 hijackers, as possible members of an al-Qaida cell linked to the 1993 World Trade Center attack or its participants," the suit said.

[libodem]

1. And I bet some of the transcripts that Sybil Edmonds

translated and her co-workers were erasing could verify that data. I hope she is able to come forth soon. I read on DU that they even made the 60 minutes program that she was on inaccessible to the public. Those shitheads are hiding something...can we say LITHOP?

[hootinholler]

3. My first thought was Sibel also...

It worked to silence her.

-Hoot

[sattahipdeep]

9. Here you go...link

"She’s credible and the reason I feel she’s very credible is because
people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story," says Grassley.
She’s told her whole story in a private session of Grassley’s committee and
the senator believes it’s time to change things.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/10/60minutes/main562685.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/6136

[wordpix2]

18. LITHOP?

[Pachamama]

2. Why did I just have this sudden sense that this is another puzzle piece

that will start connecting the dots on 9/11, Sibel Edmonds and so much more? :shrug:

[sattahipdeep]

4. So good to see you my friend.

:loveya: :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

5. Good to see you too!

Somethings just can't be ignored :hi:

[sattahipdeep]

17. seemslikeadream

- Paul McCartney & Eric Clapton

I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
I look at the floor and I see it needs sweeping
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know why nobody told you
How to unfold your love
I don't know how someone controlled you
They bought and sold you

I look at the world and I notice it's turning
While my guitar gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
No one alerted you

I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
Look at you all...:hi:
Still my guitar gently weeps

[seemslikeadream]

20. sattahipdeep

Jah bless, my dear friend

[AuntiBush]

6. If there is nothing to hide...

... that's what puzzles me (cough) the most. If they've nothing to hide, why keep those wanting to speak silenced at every conceiveable angle they can find?

(cough... cough...)

[wordpix2]

19. apparently, BushCo has a lot to hide about a lot of hot topics

this being only one

[EVDebs]

7. Altogether now, "Just what is it the government is trying to cover up ?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2141834&mesg_id=2145609

[seemslikeadream]

8. cover up ? Sticky notes? BUDDY BUDDY? DO THE MATH

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[EVDebs]

10. The plans were all stale and from the '70s Nixon era...

Operation Northwoods, shows the template
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2144847&mesg_id=2145221

and the '73 plans to seize oil fields, which the Quakers put on a website,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2466336

and ended up causing them to spied upon domestically, for telling the truth.

Rep Mike Thompson's bill to withdraw US troops by Sept 2006, along with Rep Murtha's comments earlier on the matter, show that even when the R's can rescue the troops and their own fortunes, they will sacrifice the troops and their own dignity, in order to retain POWER. Right now it has all devolved around them into the power to cover up. Even that can't protect the disinfectant of "light" to shine on what really has been going on.

Truth, Justice, and The American Way. God is not mocked:

""Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."" (KJV)
Galatians 6 : 7

Be not deceived...

[wordpix2]

24. thanks for the links & putting it all together, seemslikedream. This link:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678

is an eye-opener. I've sent it to a fellow Dem/Army officer who was in Iraq in 2003 & was very upset at Gen. Shinseki's removal. Some of the info at the link explains why he was replaced.

[sattahipdeep]

11. Trying to get the heat off the WH

The guy is being prosecuted for imigration violations
an they r trying to put him in charge of 9/11

Zacarias Moussaoui he's the only one they have.

Sunday March 5, 2006 6:31 PM

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - Zacarias Moussaoui may be the
defendant, but it's the FBI that will likely be on trial once
testimony begins Monday in the confessed al-Qaida
conspirator's death penalty trial. :eyes:

Much of the evidence against Moussaoui is still classified and
will be available to the jury and lawyers but not made public. :eyes:

The first government witness is expected to take the stand
Monday afternoon. Six federal agents on tap to testify for the
prosecution - four agents from the FBI, one from Immigration and
Customs Enforcement and one from the Federal Aviation
Administration - are expected to be defense witnesses,
according to court records.

The defense argues that the FBI and other government agencies
knew more about the hijackers' plans than Moussaoui knew and
still failed to stop the attacks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5664669,00.html

[sattahipdeep]

12. Weldon has claimed official immunity from a subpoena?

Moussaoui will either receive life in prison or the death penalty depending on
whether the jury finds he was aware of the Sept. 11 plot with enough specificity
to have warned US officials of the plan when he was arrested in
August of 2001, thus preventing the terror attacks. Moussaoui's defense lawyers
have attempted to compel the testimony of US Rep. Curt Weldon R-PA
who was recently subpoenaed as a witness to the extent of the government's knowledge
of the identities of Sept. 11 hijackers before the terror attacks.

Weldon does not want his testimony to potentially aid the defense of an admitted
terrorist, and has claimed official immunity from a subpoena. :puke:

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/03/jury-empanelled-in-moussaoui.php

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623#4501352

[wordpix2]

22. why would Weldon do this if it helps get the Able Danger coverup out?

[seemslikeadream]

25. When Weldon started all this he thought he got Clinton but

Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[sattahipdeep]

13. Prosecutor Rob Spencer (DISINFORMATION)

``Had he not lied to agents in 2001, the U.S. government would
have stopped those deaths, or at least some of them,'' Spencer asserted.

Court-appointed defense attorney Edward MacMahon scoffed at
that idea. He termed Moussaoui's dreams of being a terrorist
``sound and fury signifying nothing.''

Considered a headache and even called ``cuckoo in the head''
by one al-Qaida leader, Moussaoui ``was intentionally isolated
from the real hijackers in the United States,'' MacMahon argued.
``Nothing Moussaoui did or said - even a lie - caused anyone to die that day.''

Now Moussaoui yearns for martyrdom, MacMahon asserted.
``The only way he can appear as a smiling face on an al-Qaida
recruiting poster is by your verdict,'' MacMahon told jurors.
``Please don't make him a hero. He doesn't deserve it.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5667382,00.html

Coincidence and likely stories
they dog your trail like a pack of lies
They whine at night when the lights are out
You toss and turn
You pitch and roll
Disinformation, you spin it like a silkworm

Just when I need another point of view
here you come from nowhere
from over the waves
I stand amazed
I see your greatest hits
they blow back down the chimney into everyone’s eyes

Creative thinking in the first degree
You’re a three-way mirror of a one-way world
It’s a perverse company you work for
They build the past
It just can’t last
It’s obsolete by design

They send you out rerouting history
to make the same old mistakes in a brand new way
Come out from under cover
Ollie Ollie in free
Come out come out wherever you are

And virgin places don't mean a thing
to people who never bring their hearts along
and fools like them never fall at all
They’re tough as sin, let nobody in
They turn and spin your wheels and nobody wins

Coincidence and likely stories
they dog your trail like a pack of lies
They whine at night when the lights are out
You toss and turn
You pitch and roll
Disinformation, you spin it like a silkworm.

Buffy Sainte-Marie

[seemslikeadream]

14. Disinformation, you spin it like a silkworm.

:hi: :loveya:



GETTING STARTED

Oo down Tipi Town
Hoping around
Seeking inspiration
I been out here on the edge of space
in the human race
I guess I’d gotten lonely but

That’s okay
Now it’s not the way it should be but
That’s okay
I know it’s not the way it could be and
That’s okay
It’s pretty good for kindergarten and
That’s okay
Come on, we’re only getting started

Thumb-hand human band
can understand
out among the far locations that the
Music’s Heaven-sent we can
fly on instruments
beyond our isolation and

That’s okay
No it’s not the way it should be but
That’s okay
Here and now it’s how it is and
That’s okay
It’s pretty good for kindergarten and
That’s okay
Come on, We’re only getting started

Womb-world paradigm
Understand in time
It’s a sweet investigation
We’re learning rope by rope
Climbing hope by hope
in every combination and

That’s okay
No it’s not the way it should be but
That’s okay
It’s wild and it’s unique and
That’s okay
Love’s the magic number and
That’s okay
Come on, We’re only getting started.

Buffy Sainte-Marie

[sattahipdeep]

15. The suspect lied. That is called direct evidence. (Condoleezza Rice)

FBI agents have been forced to admit under cross-examination that
the FBI knew years before Sept. 11 that al-Qaida had plans to use
planes as missiles to destroy prominent buildings.

The blow-by-blow recitation Tuesday by prosecutor David Raskin of the
hijackings _ a stipulation of facts agreed to by both sides _ did
nothing to link Moussaoui to the plot, but nonetheless provided an emotional wallop.

FBI also had to acknowledge numerous missed opportunities in the months before Sept. 11
to catch two of the hijackers with terror links known to the government, even though the
pair frequently used their own names in this country to rent cars, purchase
plane tickets and even, once, to file a police report after getting mugged.

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1169458&tw=wn_wire_story

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice insisted that there
was no specific advance knowledge as to method of the attacks....

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/040804_condi_rice.html



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[wordpix2]

23. Condiliar: "there was no specific advance knowledge"--what a great pRes

she'd make in the BushCo mold

[sattahipdeep]

16. Government misconduct

"This is the second significant error by the government affecting
the constitutional rights of this defendant and more importantly
the integrity of the criminal justice system of the United States
in the context of a death case," Brinkema told lawyers outside
the presence of the jury.

"In all the years I've been on the bench, I have never seen such
an egregious violation of a rule on witnesses," she said.

The defense motion to eliminate the death penalty, if accepted,
would end the trial and result in a life sentence with no chance
of parole for Moussaoui. The defense did not move for a mistrial,
which would have restarted the proceedings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-5682550,00.html

Bonnieleezza-UAE



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[sattahipdeep]

27. $120,000 a year (Carla Martin) Placed on paid administrative leave

Get this....Prosecutors, seeking to distance themselves from Martin's actions, castigated
her as a ''lone miscreant'' and said she acted ''essentially as outside counsel'' in
coaching the witnesses.

But Moussaoui's defense lawyers, in legal papers filed Thursday, said Martin
had worked closely with prosecutors.

"The government attempts to minimize Ms. Martin's involvement in this case,
reducing her to virtually the status of a messenger," they told the judge.

"It is worth noting that Ms. Martin, at least, has worked on the
prosecutorial team itself, as well as with the aviation witnesses."
....
Defense lawyers on Thursday urged the judge to keep her order in force, and
argued that the government's position in the Moussaoui case is the opposite of
its position in a lawsuit by Sept. 11 victims against United and American airlines.
....
In that case, the Transportation Security Administration, Martin's employer,
has intervened on the airlines' behalf and has maintained that the airlines
should not be held responsible because the 19 hijackers made it through
airport security and onto four planes the morning of the attacks.
....
But Moussaoui's lawyers complained that is a direct contradiction of what the
government is asserting in the Moussaoui case - that the government would
have prevented the impending attacks had Moussaoui told the FBI about
them. ''These developments cast doubt on the impartiality of TSA,'' the
lawyers said.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/outdoors/all-a7_lawyermar17,0,6377990.column?coll=all-sportsoutdoors-hed

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[underpants]

21. Program was ended abruptly in Feb. 2001

Why? ABC

Anything But Clinton

Gross negligence and incompetence. THAT is going to be W's legacy of 9/11.

[seemslikeadream]

26. STOP THE TRIAL NO MORE TESTIMONY

CAN'T LET WELDON TESTIFY


http://hasbrouck.org/

...

The government has alleged, but Moussaoui has not conceded, that
Moussaoui's lies to the FBI when he was arrested in August 2001 caused
(and were intended to cause) more deaths on 11 September 2001 that
would have been prevented had Moussaoui confessed to the FBI and fully
informed on his co-conspirators. Under current Federal law, Moussaoui can only
be executed if the government can prove this to the judge beyond
reasonable doubt.

That's the purpose of the current "sentencing trial". It's an
evidentiary, fact-finding hearing, before a Federal judge, under the Federal rules
of criminal procedure and evidence, on essentially the sole question of
whether the measures the FAA claims they would have taken in the name
of "aviation security" if they had gotten Moussaoui's full confession in
August 2001 -- and which are among essentially the same measures the
FAA and its successor the TSA actually have taken since 11 September 2001
would actually have helped prevent the September 11th attacks or saved
any lives if they had been done sooner.

That's what panicked Ms. Martin into into illegally coaching the
witnesses from her agency and its predecessor: the prospect of a fair hearing and
a judicial verdict on the likely efficacy for safety, security, and
reduction of loss of life to terrorism of her agency's so-called
"security" measures. According to news reports, she told the witnesses
in her e-mail messages that she feared the judge might find that
Moussaoui's lies didn't lead to any deaths, since the things the FAA would have
done if they had known more about the attackers' plans wouldn't have
prevented them.

Presumably she knew she might be caught violating the witness
sequestration order. If she was (as, indeed, she has been), the result
would be that the "death notice" would be dismissed, and Moussaoui
would live out his life in prison. But she took that risk anyway, a decision
that makes sense only if she was more eager to avoid a verdict that the
FAA and TSA tactics wouldn't have made us any more secure than she was
eager to avoid having the death notice dismissed and Mousaoui live.
The real worst-case scenario for Martin, which she and and the TSA
apparently have now succeeded in averting, was a judicial verdict that
as the TSA's own advisory committee, Congressional auditors from the
GAO, and every independent airline security expert I've ever spoken with
have have already concluded -- the TSA has failed to make a case for its
airline passenger surveillance measures as being justified on grounds
of safety, security, prevention of terrorism, or saving of lives.

Which, of course, brings us to the real question below the surface of
this case: If these aren't really measures that will make us safer, why is
the TSA compelling things like the conversion of airline reservations and
operational systems into an infrastructure of surveillance ? It's hard
to avoid the conclusion that surveillance, not security, is the real goal
that justifies -- at least to some three-letter agencies of the
government -- the dollar expense (billions) and political cost of these programs.

[sattahipdeep]

29. Gatekeeper of classified secrets (A disbeliever an evildoer)?

"The evil here, the corruption of the system, is that through the
intermediation of Ms. Martin, witnesses were able to change their
testimony to corroborate other witnesses," said Stephen Gillers,
an expert on legal ethics at New York University Law School.
"You want the raw experiences of other witnesses, untainted and
uninfluenced by the views of others."

Martin, who is 51 and has 16 years' experience, has spent virtually
no time litigating cases, according to people familiar with her work.

....
Her career has involved sitting in on cases argued by other
attorneys, essentially as a gatekeeper of classified secrets, they said.

....
When prosecutors wanted an aviation-related document declassified
in the Moussaoui case, they turned to Martin. Her role was sharply
defined: She was to locate the proper bureaucrat, who would then
approach an agency such as the CIA. It was up to that agency to
decide whether the document could be introduced in open court.

http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6228

[Just Me]

28. Prolly represents the most horrific cover-up in U.S. History.

May the sun shine on this darkness.

[sattahipdeep]

30. Silent Wings

Silent Wings....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2172608#2173246