2 Students Heckle Bill Clinton at Pace University ("War criminal!")

[Algorem]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/news/2006/mar/06/030602738.html

Today: March 06, 2006 at 7:46:29 PST

2 Students Heckle Clinton at University

ASSOCIATED PRESS

PLEASANTVILLE, N.Y. (AP) - Two Pace University students were questioned by Secret Service officers after they heckled former President Clinton during a speech at the school, a university spokesman said.

The hecklers shouted "war criminal" when Clinton answered a law student's question about the value of working for peace, Pace spokesman Christopher T. Cory said...

During his speech, Clinton urged stricter security measures at the nation's ports.

"I still really can't believe we only check five percent of our containers at all the ports in America, when we've had now for four years a study saying that unless we do 10 to 20 percent, there's no deterrent effect at all," he said.

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Clinton tells Pace audience U.S. can gain from aid, amity

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060306/NEWS02/603060308/1026/NEWS10

By NOREEN O'DONNELL
THE JOURNAL NEWS


A billion of the world's people live on less than $2 a day and will go hungry tonight, former President Clinton told a Pace University audience yesterday at the Pleasantville campus. More than a billion have no access to clean water. Three million will die this year from cholera and other waterborne diseases.

No one can blame them if they elect leaders hostile to the United States who promise them a share of the world's wealth, Clinton said, particularly if the United States offers no alternative.

"We have to spend a lot of time and money and effort and thought, not only having a security policy, but having a policy to create more friends and fewer terrorists, more partners and fewer adversaries," Clinton said.

The former president launched Pace University's celebration of its 100th anniversary with a speech on the direction the United States should take in an increasingly interdependent world as it undergoes a shift to a new economy...



President Clinton tells students they need to form their own opinions

http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/Clinton_Pace-06Mar06.htm


Clinton: "... know where
you think America is ..."
The world of today is not much unlike that of 100 years ago when President Theodore Roosevelt was in office and Pace University opened its doors, former President Bill Clinton told an audience of 2,900 students and community members.

Speaking at the kick off of Pace’s 100th anniversary commemoration at its Westchester County campus Sunday, Clinton said America must be strong yet compassionate, and he had a message for the students.

“You need to have an opinion on these things,” he said. “You need to know where you think America is and where you want it to go, and what you think should be done; what the role of government is and what you can do as a private citizen. You need to know where America is in the world in your own mind and where you want to go, and you think we ought to get there.”

While the president said there is a need to modernize the military, the nation needs a policy to create more friends, a clear reference to the US entrance into Iraq with fading support...




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Imperial Conquest, Torture, and a Little Matter of Genocide
by populist Sunday, Mar. 05, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/03/1806224.php

Acting with impunity and wielding the moral authority of pedophiles, Bush and his fellow Neocons have decimated what was left of America's good name while severely crippling our nation's capacity for advancing and protecting human rights. Setting a sanguineous course in their reckless pursuit of wealth and power, they have afflicted humankind with their perverse agenda. With alarming consistency, these sociopaths have demonstrated their utter disregard for humanity and the well-being of our planet.

While the US has a history of imperialism, deep cruelty, and mass murder, including slaughtering one million civilians in the conquest of the Philippines, legalizing the institution of slavery, and committing the Native American genocide, by World War II America had arguably begun to demonstrate a reasonable level of commitment to humanitarian ideals. While it was a long, painful process, Abolitionists, Women Suffragists, Populists, Labor Activists, Civil Rights Protestors, and the like forced the United States to strive for truly noble causes. From the end of World War II up until the 1960's, one could reasonably conclude that the nation primarily responsible for the defeat of militaristic fascism in both Europe and Asia had earned a degree of moral authority, in spite of its remaining flaws.

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

Vietnam marked the beginning of America's descent into a fetid moral sewer, high-lighted (or more appropriately low-lighted) by the deaths of 3,000,000 Vietnamese civilians and the devastating after effects of Agent Orange (compliments of Monsanto). America's light as a beacon of hope for humanity was rapidly extinguished. Ignoring Eisenhower's prescient warning, his successors chose the sword over the plowshare repeatedly. Funneling outrageous percentages of our precious resources into the coffers of the bloated and malevolent military industrial complex, they carried out murderous agendas through direct military intervention, covert CIA operations, and proxies like the Shah of Iran. Sadly, under the last 7-8 presidencies, Democrat and Republican alike, the United States government has evolved into the most powerful terrorist organization on the planet...

[UpInArms]

1. perhaps they were confused -

thinking that Clinton was still our President - seeing as how everything is still the Clenis' fault.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

6. yes, it is an easy mistep!

[Tesha]

56. Was it not Clinton supporting Iraqi sanctions in '93 through '00?

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, many of them kids,
have died because George H. W. Bush bombed the shit
out of the Iraqi infrastructure (power, water, etc.)
and Bill Clinton then enforced sanction against Iraq
that prevented them from rebuilding their infrastructure.

One could easily make the charge that Clinton *IS* a
war criminal.

Tesha

[SledDriver]

2. Rushbots...

:eyes:

[underpants]

7. Just as likely to be from the far left wing

maybe pacifists I dunno but not necessarily Rushbots.

[DrunkenMaster]

15. peace activists="far left"???

How low we have fallen.

[underpants]

16. I didn't say that

I clearly seperated the two.

I meant whacko far left OR pacifists

[coalition_unwilling]

70. The "whacko far left" has been so correct on so many social

issues for so long (starting with Abolition in the 19th century) that I wear the label like a badge of honor.

The whacko far left, for example, was strongly against the U.S. imperialism in Afghanistan and Iraq three years before the majority of Americans started to turn against said imperialism.

Another example: when I attended University of Missouri-Columbia in 1977/78, the only organization demonstrating on campus against South African apartheid was the Revolutionary Communist Party USA. They were only two decades ahead of the rest of the country. (At the time, I barely knew my ass from a hole in the ground, but I was fortunate to have a Philosophy T.A. who was a member of RCP, who started me on the road to enlightenment.)

[DrunkenMaster]

14. they were NOT Rushbots

they were peace activists who were appalled by Clinton's actions as President. It is pretty astouding that you can't tell the difference.

[Robb]

23. How about idiots, then?

Let's just call them idealogue idiots who can't prioritize for shit.

How's that? :shrug:

[TheWraith]

26. How is that astounding?

The suicide dove left seems to hate Clinton as much as the flying monkey right does, and they even feed off most of the same bullshit propaganda. So where's the difference?

[meegbear]

3. Link? Called that in reference to?

:shrug:

[Algorem]

8. sorry,I was in shock that 2 WHOLE students were heckling.Doesn't say

what they thought they meant,though.

[Earth_First]

4. Unbelievable

Or is it?

[Democrats_win]

5. What can we say, college Republican-American idiots exist.

[dsewell]

11. More likely fringe leftists

It's the Ramsey Clark crowd that has been pushing the "war crimes" thing against Clinton and others (e.g. Wesley Clark) since the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia. For example:

http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-07/22/13442.html

[arikara]

24. Maybe they were referring to the pharmaceutical factory that he had bombed

in Sudan. Or his nearly daily bombings of Iraq.

[DerekG]

33. Quiet, you! It's only deplorable when Republicans murder!

When the likes of Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes set countries aflame, it's abominable; when Truman, Johnson and Clinton do the same, it's merely regrettable.

Don't you know you're only giving aid to the rightists? Do you want Roe v. Wade overturned?

[meganmonkey]

39. Or the 500,000 Iraqi kids who died in the 90s

as a direct result of the sanctions Clinton supported.

But it's fun to learn all the names I can be called now, for having protested Clinton for those sanctions:

Rushbots
whacko far left
idealogue idiot who can't prioritize for shit.
suicide dove left ('feeding off propaganda', nonetheless)
the Ramsey Clark crowd
dumb ass

Whereas I see at as having consistent principles no matter what party the President belongs to.

I guess the truth hurts, so people get nasty when confronted with it. I jsut don't think we can get anywhere unless we are honest with ourselves.

Peace!!

[arikara]

47. Doesn't this sound familiar?

but the price--we think the price is worth it.

[Lilith Velkor]

80. I have another name for you

Realist, one who realizes that breeding giant radioactive Godzilla-chickens is a Very Bad Idea, because even mutated chickens come home to roost.

:hi:

[DrGonzoLives]

67. How DARE they

I mean, Milosevic was a great guy, a populist, who did absolutely NO ethnic cleansing, nor ordered anyone too. Everything was perfectly fine in Bosnia.

[bullimiami]

9. well clinton has his own actions to answer for.

if they were really 'peace' protestors they I understand and accept their protest.
if they were neocon loving, christ killers, just there to heckle Bill they can just stfu.

[wordpix]

36. no pres is perfect but Clinton's policies brought us mostly peace & pros

perity.

[IndianaGreen]

42. Clinton's Plan Colombia and keeping a renamed School of Americas

resulted in the deaths of thousands.

I got Clinton to thank for DOMA and "Don't ask, don't tell"!

[coalition_unwilling]

71. You could start with the '92 primary campaign, when

Clinton demonstrated he was "tough on crime" by flying back from New Hampshire to Arkansas for the execution of Ricky Rae Rector who, at the time of his execution, had an IQ variously estimated at between 69-75.

Granted, that's not a "war crime" (although it's probably a crime as Victor Hugo might have it), but from that I took Clinton's measure, an estimation only confirmed by the cruelty of the FBI assault at Waco, TX and the cruelty of the mis-named "welfare reform" (really an assault on the disempowered poor).

Clinton is a scumbag, but he's probably a little less of one than most of the Repukes.

[progressivebydesign]

10. dumb asses. n/t

[Mend]

12. it is not about what "they" can do to us, it is about what we do

to them. War is not the answer and Bill Clinton knows it. We can not control the actions of others, we can only control ourselves and behave in moral ways.

[jaxx]

13. Jeez, what would they call Bush?

[Mend]

17. believe it or not, the repukes call bush "principled" because he

does what he believes in: power, control, money, an amoral psychopath. He does it any way he can and they admire that. Clinton is of my generation, a Kennedy Democrat, and I know damn well he and Hillary don't believe any of the crap they are now spouting and I know damn well they are great and moral people who should be speaking out against this horror. It fries me that they aren't fighting against this more.

[0007]

32. Words would have no effect if it was junior....

The protesters would have to do hand springs, back flips, cartwheels and heavy duty flashing.

[Sperk]

18. see they're all the same.....2 protesters, two million protesters

it's all the same. :eyes:

[Bill McBlueState]

19. are they referring to Yugoslavia?

I know we're all big Clinton fans here, but it's not like the US war machine was mysteriously blameless from 1993 to 2001.

But then, they could just be right-wing disruptors.

[Ignacio Upton]

27. Could be

I think a lot of right-wingers were opposed to Kosovo too. Interestingly, if you find quote made by these people, they sound the same as our arguements against going into Iraq. I guess a change of President can show you lack of consistency.

[CottonBear]

28. No US soldiers or servicemen died in Kosovo except for one guy

who died in a car accident, if I'm correct.

[Hobarticus]

34. Probably referring to the UN embargo in Iraq, my guess...

Not that I agree, but that's the only logical thing I can see.

[coalition_unwilling]

72. Not just an "embargo" but a relentless bombing campaign

throughout the '90s that killed many terrorists disguised as children.

[Bridget Burke]

20. Which means that Clinton's appearances aren't "screened" like Shrub's.

That's free speech. Two protesters out of a student body? Not bad.

How many would heckle "Our President" if they were allowed within shouting distance?

[resistence]

40. Why I Called Clinton Out on His Lies

This is a fairly interesting thread. I just registered after doing a search on the internet for the protest. I was one of the students who called out former president clinton rightly for what he is: a war criminal. I called him for his actions in Iraq, Sudan, Bosnia, Columbia and many other places around the world. Including his miserable INaction in Rwanda. Had I the chance before the police came over to me, I would have called him out on his trade agreement catastrophes and domestic policies also.

I am not a right-wing fanatic. I am a dedicated left-wing, anti-war, student activist. People who only call out republican presidents on their atrocities should be ashamed on themselves. Such people have no right to call themselves anti-war activists or progressives. The most fundamental cause of every war is Profit.

I have to strongly agree with Bridget Burke: "How many would heckle "Our President" if they were allowed within shouting distance?" My answer: I sure as hell would. But I also have no problem calling out former presidents on their war crimes also.

I will be doing a press release by tomorrow. I'll include a copy or a link to a copy on here also.

-Brian

[mrdmk]

44. Welcome to D.U. resistence-Brian

There are a lot of Clinton Supporters here for both Bill and Hillary. I agree with you not all of Clinton's policies were the best for this country starting with NAFTA. Not to mention Mr. Clinton left himself wide open to have removal of the Fairness Doctrine stuffed into a Child Pornography Bill. It will be very difficult to find a president who is prefect, but a anti-war person I agree with your point of view. One thing you do need to look at is that Bosnia did not turn into the wreak that Iraq is today.

[Bridget Burke]

59. You certainly picked the easier target.

But I'm sure you've also protested Bush. Haven't you?

[coalition_unwilling]

73. You're a new Tom Paine. Thank You (eom)

[Canuckistanian]

45. That's right! No loyalty oaths required at a Clinton speech

In fact, I remember that Clinton used to try to get the hecklers invovled in a dialogue.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. Were they Milosovic's goons?

[Village Idiot]

22. HAHAHAHAHAHA...

"by World War II America had arguably begun to demonstrate a reasonable level of commitment to humanitarian ideals."

What a friggin JOKE.

[DerekG]

35. A rather sad one, at that

Oh, the 1945-64 era was chock full of humanitarian ventures. What fun our CIA and military had in Italy, Greece, Iran, Vietnam, Cuba, Guatemala, Haiti...rigged elections, embargos, assassinations, death squads.

"I want my country back!" is muy disturbing once you go down the rabbit hole.

[Village Idiot]

60. Hopefully we can take it back (at least partially) in November.

Cheers!

[buddysmellgood]

25. Two students shout and it makes the AP? Why don't we read about all the

Bush protests everyday. You'll find more than two people and their protest will have valid points.

[THUNDER HANDS]

29. maybe because

we're not used to hearing about people protesting Clinton, so thus, it is news. But billions have protested Bush worldwide - so its more of a man bites dog sort of thing.

[buddysmellgood]

48. When you think just how disgusted people are with Bush, I'll bet this

story does more to raise Clinton's profile. Even rapublicans have to be remembering the good times and wondering what those kids were thinking.

[Bridget Burke]

30. These students actually HECKLED Clinton.

When has anyone been allowed within Heckling-distance of Chimpie?

[buddysmellgood]

49. It happens, but those people are never heard from again.

[wordpix]

37. good point--when I went to the NYC peace march against Iraq War in '04

I could only find a bare mention on p. 20 or something of the NYT but there were thousands of people there.

[Ohio Joe]

63. I think you really got the point here.

My first thought was also "This is news ?". WTF, regardless of your thoughts on President Clinton, the idea that two people heckle him and it makes news when protests regarding current events are pretty much ignored is really messed up.

[tabasco]

31. I was in the Army infantry for all eight Clinton years.

I was proud to have him as a Commander In Chief !


HERE'S TO YOU PRESIDENT CLINTON!!
:patriot::patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Rocknrule]

38. I'll bet these 2 protesters get more coverage in the "liberal media"

than the roughly 2 billion worldwide who protest Bush every day
:mad:

[resistence]

41. Why I called Clinton out on being a War Criminal

This is a fairly interesting thread. I just registered after doing a search on the internet for the protest. I was one of the students who called out former president clinton rightly for what he is: a war criminal. I called him for his actions in Iraq, Sudan, Bosnia, Columbia and many other places around the world. Including his miserable INaction in Rwanda. Had I the chance before the police came over to me, I would have called him out on his trade agreement catastrophes and domestic policies also.

I am not a right-wing fanatic. I am a dedicated left-wing, anti-war, student activist. People who only call out republican presidents on their atrocities should be ashamed on themselves. Such people have no right to call themselves anti-war activists or progressives. The most fundamental cause of every war is Profit.

I have to strongly agree with Bridget Burke: "How many would heckle "Our President" if they were allowed within shouting distance?" My answer: I sure as hell would. But I also have no problem calling out former presidents on their war crimes also.

I will be doing a press release by tomorrow. I'll include a copy or a link to a copy on here also.

-Brian

[meganmonkey]

43. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

There is also a thread about this in the General Discussion forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x588348

Just so you know, since this is a Democratic-oriented place, there is a lot of sensitivity when it comes to criticizing most Democrats, including Clinton. Normally I would send you this in a personal message, but you don't have enough posts for that yet, so I have to do it in the open forum. I am totally with you on this, but just as a head's up, a lot of people will defend Clinton with great emotion. Be patient, and don't piss off the moderators. I shall bite my tongue now so as to not get myself in trouble. ;)

PEACE!!!!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

46. Maybe you should expend your energies on protesting....

...against the guy who has claimed to be president since December 2000. This is the same guy that has ordered U. S. troops to illegally invade and occupy two Middle Eastern countries, and is the man totally and personally responsible for the deaths of at least 40,000 Afghans and more than 100,000 Iraqis.

This is the same guy that is currently threatening to use U. S. troops to attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, and Venezuela. He is also involved in trying to intimidate all of the world's nations not currently our "allies".

This is the same guy that is responsible for ruining a once-thriving economy under Clinton, resulting in the record personal bankruptcies, record foreclosures on family homes, and massive layoffs.

This is the same guy that has threatened the use of nuclear weapons in preemptive strikes against any countries he believes MAY be a threat to the U. S.

Anything for which you claim Clinton is responsible pales in comparison to the current and future crimes of the man who wants to be the world's first total dictator, no matter what the cost in dead and displaced.

IMHO, you're wasting your time protesting a former president who last held office six years ago.

[buddysmellgood]

50. That's an odd road to take as we near the end of our democracy, but I'm

with MeganMonkey. Welcome to DU. You may be able to make a greater statement by criticizing Clinton than you ever would Bush.

[resistence]

51. Clinton

Why did I call Clinton a War Criminal? Because he is and he came to my school. If bush had came to my school I would have enjoyed it just as much (and I am sure my SS interogation would have been MUCH longer). BUT as it relates to Iraqis in particular, between the bombings and sanctions, Bill Clinton killed a million of them. George Bush might be working his way up to that level (he might very possibly it it), but he's not there yet.

Any one that wants to see the video: http://www.leftist.ws/media/clintonwarcriminal.swf

I will post the one that shows me shouting when I get it. We were on ABC and Fox news so far. And the front page of Yahoo.com

More information to follow!

-Brian

[buddysmellgood]

52. Oh, you'll get lots of attention. Anyone who can shift the trouble of

Bushco to the Clenis will be a media darling, especially if they come from the left. Be careful what you wish for and remember, Clinton is out of power.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

54. -get out of here!!

http://www.kgo.com

GET REALITY -now - goto BERNIE WARD--I dare you to call in!!
he'll set you straight right away!
They WILL air your call-
Bernie loves idiots that are hung up on Clinton!

http://www.kgo.com

don't use this forum to promote your videos of your stupidity-
GET CURRENT !!
or get a job with your daddy's corporation -
You probably aren't old enough to remember Clinton.
Yo Daddy is wrong-
and so is vicodin dough boy!
And all the other
AM radio losers!
like heil hannity!

http://www.kgo.com

.


Now get the hell out of here!

[Bark Bark Bark]

57. Enjoy It While It Lasts

"I will post the one that shows me shouting when I get it. We were on ABC and Fox news so far. And the front page of Yahoo.com"

Counterproductive attention whores have a short shelf life in the real world.

Note to others: until DU changes its name (and policy) to "Progressives Only," I will assume that opinions that may vary from those of "Progressives" are allowed here.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

61. DU doesn't need to change it's name- Pugs are not welcome here

regardless-ask yourself why...

opinions that "vary" are welcome-
opinions that are "clueless" are not-
-pugs are clueless-
that's why we have groups like D.U.
To save our country and the world from the "clueless".

[DiverDave]

58. Oh, give me a freakin break

what the hell do you accomplish?
Oh, I get it, your 15 minutes...Bill Clinton had a REPUBLICAN controlled House and Senate to deal with.
Do you think, in that 1 track mind of yours, that THAT may have something to do with his policy decisions?
Or didn't that cross your mind?
Dude, step back into the classroom and learn something.
All I see is a blind kid who doesn't know shit about the political process.
Do you think we would be in the mess we are in if the Democratic party was running our country?
Wasted effort, in my opinion, course, you did get your 15 minutes...

[coalition_unwilling]

75. If you want to take Clinton's measure, I suggest you go back

and review the '92 primary campaign tactics of "Mr. Tough on Crime."

Putting someone to death with an IQ of 69-72 (right at the threshhold of mental retardation) hardly entitles Clinton to the adulation he receives here.

[DiverDave]

77. Want to take "Clintons Measure?"

Nice try at redirection.
Does your comment have anything at all to do with what I wrote?

If you think it does, you need to read my post again.

[coalition_unwilling]

81. Actually, it was a response to Message # 51, but since you ask

there are some real "war crimes" issues with Clinton's presidency, e.g., firing cruise missiles at a formula bottling facility in Khartoum, Sudan in 1998 (may have caused countless infant deaths in Africa).

Then there's the whole issue of U.N. sanctions on Iraq, maintained at the U.S.' insistence throughout the '90s. Ostensibly designed to punish Saddam, they satisfied the "Law of Unplanned Consequences," by actually strengthening Saddam while leading directly or indirectly to the deaths of as many as 1 million Iraqis.

Finally, there's the bombing campaign on Baghdad of '98 after U.S. withdrew U.N. inspectors. (Myth that Saddam "kicked them out" has been completely and utterly discredited by now.) How many "terrorists disguised as children" did that bombing campaign kill? Oh, that's right, I forgot, the U.S. doesn't do "body counts," at least when the bodies are brown- or black-haired and Arabic speaking.

As I've said in other posts, Clinton is a scumbag, although not as much of one as the current occupant of the WH.

[coalition_unwilling]

74. I grew up about 70 miles from Hope, AR so I say "Thank You"

for calling out Clinton's imperialist brutality

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[FlaGranny]

62. Well, Brian,

the only thing I can say is to spend your time more wisely and actually concentrate on things that have a chance of helping.

For your information, no matter what you think Clinton did, he is no longer in a position to be helpful or harmful to your cause. You just wasted time and made spectacles of yourselves, in my humble grandmotherly opinion. Next time, if you want to do anti-war, do it somewhere it might have some usefulness.

[DerekG]

68. So I take it you'd be averse to heckling, say, Henry Kissinger?

He too is no longer in a position to be helpful or harmful to the cause.

[FlaGranny]

69. No, I would not go out of my way to

heckle Henry Kissinger, or anyone else, for that matter. I really don't think heckling is an efficient use of my time. There is a zero return on investment.

[skywatcher]

65. Bill Clinton will carry the inaction to the Rawanda massacres all his life

:-( I am a Clinton supporter, but it is true he sat back and did nothing while the massacres in Rawanda were taking place. I would not want to carry that.:shrug:

[faithnotgreed]

82. hi brian - great to see someone from pace

i also attended there and lived in briarcliff manor (dow)

i applaud anyone who is working for truth - washington is deeply corrupt and thats not limited to the republicans (though of course they really cant be compared as the level of evil in the bush regime is beyond comprehension)

im glad youre here and look forward to learning more about your activism
though i have not yet read the article in full or your responses here i wanted to welcome you and hope were all fighting for the same thing - getting rid of the rampant greed and hypocrisy while working for honest change most certainly including peace and equality

i am truly staggered by what is considered acceptable respresentation in this country
the level of indifference and disdain by politicians on both sides is appalling - and its been so rampant for so long we can barely recognize how thoroughly we have been bought and sold by most all politicians

[Algorem]

55. "Students Who Heckled President Clinton at Pace University Speak Out"

(I don't know if this is real or fake,but don't think it breaks any rules to post it here)

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=2006030622300590

...are part of a larger group, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) as well as Campus Anti-War Network (CAN). Both are leftist groups. SDS is a relatively new group. It was a radical group in the 60's but has recently reformed. CAN has been active in protesting the war for several years now.

Today, the national media has picked up the story of two students heckling President Clinton. This is a press release from the two students with their side of the story.

... SDS is a relatively new group. It was a radical group in the 60's but has recently reformed. CAN has been active in protesting the war for several years now. Both students originally had formed a picket outside of the event on Sunday but were met with resistance by Pace University officials. The students were then allowed to go inside to the event after their banners were confiscated. Inside the event... stood up and called President Clinton a war criminal and cited the atrocities he committed during his time in office (i.e. Rwanda, Sudan, Iraq, Bosnia) It was at this time that the two students were forcibly removed by Westchester police and brought to a room within the campus where Secret Service was waiting. The students were harassed by police and Secret Service agents who called them "clowns" and threatened to send them to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation that one officer promised "would take atleast 72 hours." The students were searched and had their photos taken several times by both police and Secret Service. The students were detained for about 40 minutes and questioned about their ties to SDS. When the students refused to give information like their Social Security numbers, the officers would threaten them with statements such as "We can keep you here for 3 days." The Secret Service also tried to get the students to waive their patient/doctor privledge by having them sign a form that would allow the agents to investigate if they were on any medication or if they had been to a psychatrist; however, the students refused. The police then demanded that the students give the names of the other students that they had traveled to the event with. They also wanted to know what types of cars they traveled in. The students refused to give this information. The other SDS students were found waiting for their friends in the lobby, where the police took their IDs even though they had nothing to do with the action. The students were questioned about a letter that the Pace Chapter of SDS sent to the President of the University denouncing the invitation to President Clinton. The students were then loaded into a van with an officer and driven to their cars where police illegally searched the students' cars. The search was not consented to.

The students ...would like to make it clear that they do not support Democrats or Republicans. Their action was in response to the growing militarism of American presidents. The Pace Chapters of SDS and CAN denounce the actions of President Caputo, the Mount Pleasant Police and the Secret Service. Currently, the two students are facing an investigation by the Secret Service...



Pace University Centennial Kick-Off Event
March 5, 2006

http://appserv.pace.edu/execute/page.cfm?doc_id=19400

Below are President Clinton's remarks (verbatim transcript).

Thank you very much. Thank you. President Caputo, Chairman Bianco. Thank you for the honorary degree and for the award. And, Dean Baczko - I love saying that. When I met Joe Baczko, neither one of us ever thought we would have so distinguished a term in front of our names. Nor, at the time, did we deserve it. (LAUGHTER) I'm very proud of that introduction, because it was given by a man I admire. I was thrilled when he came here to Pace. Joe and his wife, Kathy, who has worked with our Foundation in many ways and worked with me in the White House, have been friends of mine for more than 40 years. And I was in their wedding almost 39 years ago, which is, in and of itself, an achievement in this day and age and a great tribute to both of them, and to their wonderful son. So I thank you, Joe, for that introduction. Because this program calls for some questions to be asked and answered at the end of it, the questions that were provided, I am reliably informed, by the students -- I certainly hope that's true-- I will resist my normal penchant to get too mired in the details of policies I would like to advocate for your future and instead try to ask you to just take a little walk with me in your imagination into tomorrow. I think the most important thing that any citizen of this country or indeed any responsible citizen of the world can do today is to have a clear understanding of where we are, a vision of where we ought to go, and the values necessary to make the choices to take us there. And it's really important to understand that.

This is the 100th anniversary of Pace University. A hundred years ago in 1906, Theodore Roosevelt was the President of the United States. One of my favorite presidents. In a time which, in all of our history, most parallels the present moment. Why? Because there were two great questions: One was the economic and attendant social change going on in America as we moved from farm to factory, from rural areas to cities and to an ever more diverse population with more and more immigrants coming into our cities, looking for jobs in those factories...

And the great question was, how can we maximize the value of this incredible engine of industrial capitalism and still make America a decent place to live, where our fundamental values of family and equal opportunity and human decency to all were fulfilled. Theodore Roosevelt was the first President to have to confront that. And our whole society had to confront that.

There were people, believe it or not, who back then said that minimum hour and minimum wage laws and laws to limit the ability of factories to work ten and twelve year old kids, 12 and 14 hours a day, were unconstitutional encroachment on the property rights of the factory owners. We have come a long way...



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http://appserv.pace.edu/execute/page.cfm?doc_id=19412

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[HuffleClaw]

66. but NOT arrested and charged like those who protest bush are

hmmmmm.

[HughBeaumont]

78. Precisely why we need NEW blood in the Blight House.

In 28 years we've had . . . Reagan (BUSH 41), Bush 41, Clinton, * 43, and in 2008, it very well may be . . . another Clinton vs another goddamned BUSH.

Is Dumberica THAT craven and so mommy-clenching about safety and familiarity that they're continually going with the devils they know and/or saying "YES" to a CEO government that cares more about countries that start with an "I" than our own?

As England slowly steers away from their monarchy, we're slowly steering our way towards one.

Do we need MORE of the same and will it do our generation and past generations ANY good at all? Do we REALLY want another election between a Republican war and outsourcing supporter vs a Democrat war and outsourcing supporter, or do we want someone who will actually WORK to make some CHANGE?

END the dynasties already.

[corporate_mike]

79. Pace University -- 100 years old? -- wow