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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:12 PM
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economy watch: Insider selling highest in over 30 years
This is bad news for the economy. Insider selling hasn't been this high since 1971.

Time to dump those stocks.

Here's the story (gotta scroll down a bit):

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/Dispatches/P66026.asp
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:14 PM
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1. Interesting. Since the economic prognosticators are predicting a record
dump in January.

Could be the precursor.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:21 PM
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5. why the dump in January?
gin
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:50 PM
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10. A couple possible reasons
1) January is often a "strong" month due to annual 401(k) contributions early in the month. Lots of funds have to buy to handle the inflow. Perfect time to get out if you are bearish in the mid-term

2) Capital gains. The market has actually been up significantly this year. No point in paying taxes in 2003 that can be put off till 2004 by waiting a bit (assuming you don't expect a crash before 1/2004).

The real question is "who is predicting this sell-off"? I have seen no such news.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:15 PM
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2. Attention all Rats: Time to Abandon the SS Smirky
He's going down and he's taking America under with him.

Mayday. Mayday. Mayday.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:37 PM
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21. SOS..........................(god help us all)
10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2....
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:17 PM
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3. Fascinating
I'd heard about most of the selling before but not that it became so much worse last week. Thanks for your post.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:21 PM
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4. Note that gold and silver prices shot up this morning. Not a good sign.
n/t
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monkeyboy Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:21 PM
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6. My favorite part:


Dow component Merck (MRK, news, msgs) scrapped clinical trials of a high-profile depression treatment
today, another blow to the company’s product pipeline.


The CEO of Merck could not respond to questions. He's too depressed to come to the phone. ;-)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:39 PM
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7. Actually it has never been this high...
according to this quote:

"We have not seen a level of pessimism of this magnitude since we started tracking corporate insider trading activity in 1971," says Vickers Insider Weekly, an Argus newsletter that tracks insider activity.

They only started tracking in 1971 so one could say this sell off is the worst ever! Geez.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:45 PM
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8. Those in the know are saying no go
on the economy. Why am I not surprised??
Great catch, BTW. Interesting !!

:kick:
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:47 PM
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9. Nobody knows what's coming better than insiders.
They are selling out to "bag holders", small investors, people with their 401ks invested in mutual funds, etc. It sure doesn't look like the end of a bear market to me.

"Insider selling by executives and directors of shares in their own companies outweighed buying by an enormous 10 to one. "We have not seen a level of pessimism of this magnitude since we started tracking corporate insider trading activity in 1971," says Vickers Insider Weekly, an Argus newsletter that tracks insider activity."

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:53 PM
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11. What a surprise
coinciding as it does with the shutdown of the Ameircan Experiment of checks and balances.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:56 PM
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12. Roll up the backdrop of Beverly Hills
The Sucker Recovery is over.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:04 PM
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13. I wonder if they're buying "Puts", as well....
that would be interesting. Do any of the stock jockeys have a link to how many market "Puts" are going into the hopper??

:shrug: Might as well!

:kick:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:08 PM
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14. I have been searching for about 20 minutes trying to find a thread
that was posted early last week. An analyst (milken?) from Washington State is telling his clients to dump. I can't find it. Can anyone help me?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:24 PM
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18. Could it have been related to this article on Warren Buffett?
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Metrix Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:41 AM
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23. Michael Belkin
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blue agave Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:52 PM
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15. What about metal stocks ?
Would equities in precious metal mining companies be a safe bet in this climate ?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:34 PM
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20. They have just jumped up considerably
Check out the Daily Stock Market Watch here on DU. Very informative.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:56 PM
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16. Not a good sign
I guess the insiders don't believe the spin coming out of the white house. I read where some other investor(Templeton, perhaps) had said our economy might be heading for a big fall. Hope it's not true. My portfolio can't take many more big hits.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:07 PM
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17. I hate bush, but this economy needs to pick up. I hope this is
not true.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:28 PM
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19. I emailed this to a repuke friend. Wanna see his response?
"I suspect much of it is not what the author has suggested. For the past 3 to 4 years, the only buyers were insiders and their families and a very few people like me. Now the insiders are selling to buy what insiders prefer to buy, yachts, villas on the Costa del sol and such. This will probably be good news for the world economy as all that cash that was on the side propping up the price in a down market, is now free to consume goods and services."

Weird thinking or what?


It means the stock market is about to tank!!

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:41 PM
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22. Geez, I swear I used to work for this guy. So he also say that
was is good for the economy?
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