Husband of Andrea Yates to Remarry

[deadparrot]

HOUSTON - Rusty Yates, whose former wife drowned their five children in a bathtub in 2001, said Tuesday that he is getting remarried.

Yates said his former wife, Andrea, is aware of the wedding, which is planned for Saturday — just two days before Andrea Yates' scheduled retrial on capital murder charges.

"Andrea has been aware of it for a couple of months, and she wishes me the best, just as I wish her the best," Rusty Yates told The Associated Press in an e-mail.

He identified his fiancee as Laura Arnold and said the two met at church.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060315/ap_on_re_us/andrea_yates

[qanda]

1. Poor woman

Rusty Yates seemed as cold and distant as any serial killer I've ever seen.

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[Radio_Lady]

12. Mr. Yates stood by his wife for quite a long time, but then they parted.

I never thought that he was guilty of anything, but may have been blind to her illness as it was worsening. He was not accused at all, and the several interviews I saw with him showed him to be extremely sad and confused.

I hope he finds some happiness in the new relationship. Does he not deserve it?

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. I disagree

I think fundie christians should be held to a higher standard then the rest of us, especially when it come to their marriage vows, for better or worse, in sickness and in health.... What the hell were those vows for if he doesn't stand by her now?

[Megahurtz]

46. For Sure! n/t

[Ilsa]

25. That's right: In sickness and in health," and her docs say she

is definitely ill.

My problem with the Rusty Yates of the world is the denial they are in. They try so hard to live this prescribed "near-perfect" life that they can't see that there is a deviation that must be addressed for the good of the family unit.

[slackmaster]

28. Try living with someone with serious psychiatric problems some time

:eyes:

[Ilsa]

32. I do already. I have a son who has med-box, his regimen is so

complicated. My point is that he wanted this lifestyle recommended by his fundie church, in which she was required to make babies until her uterus fell out, no matter what her psychiatrists and doctors said about her health and what having anohter baby could do to her. He ignored that advice and had another baby with her, and that made her problems worse. I bet if his new wife developed the same problems, he'd still insist that she make more babies.

He was living with her and knew she had problems and he chose to ignore them in pursuit of his own agenda.

[Bridget Burke]

33. He had no problem living with someone with serious psychiatric problems.

In fact, he did very little to help her condition.

If he had, she might have been more "pleasant" to live with. And their children would still be alive.

[Critters2]

45. I was married to a man with schizoaffective disorder

and yes, ultimately we divorced. The difference, though, was that I did EVERYTHING the doctors suggested to help my husband deal with his illness. I did my damnedest to get him to take his meds, to get to the hosp when he was out of control. I walked on eggshells to keep him from getting upset.

Otoh, when Andrea's docs said she should have no more children, her husband got her pregnant again. When it was clear she was suffering from post-partum depression to the point of psychosis, he left her alone with the children--and wanted them HOME-SCHOOLED.

When you live with someone with a mental illness, you MUST make some concessions to the illness! You don't get to just keep having your way.

This moron showed no compassion to his own wife.

I pray for his next victim, err, I mean wife.

[slackmaster]

50. How right you are

You always have to make concessions to live with any other person, healthy or otherwise.

This moron showed no compassion to his own wife.

He's probably not capable of it.

[Megahurtz]

47. I think he had a few psychiatric problems himself. n/t

[Wise Doubter]

40. He`s NOT guilty of the actual crime, but he had to have seen

some different than normal behavior. He should have made more of an effort to intervene.



If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

- Neil Peart

[WinkyDink]

41. I don't think he was "sad" or "confused"; I think he was and is

completely affectless.
Empty. Soulless. FREAKAZOID.

[Horse with no Name]

49. A few facts

He knew his wife was mentally ill.
After the fourth child--Ms. Yates was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis and was STRONGLY warned by her doctor against having another child because things could and MOST LIKELY would be worse the next time.
Now let me insert a thought here before I go on.
A person that is clinically diagnosed psychotic (as she was) cannot be trusted to make decisions for themselves regarding the most appropriate course of action. That is why people who are psychotic are generally involuntarily committed. They don't have the wherewithall to decide that they are sick and need help.
The decision was made to keep procreating. It was left up to "God's will".
Do you think that a person that was strongly warned by a physician NOT to do something AFTER being institutionalized for psychosis made that decision by herself or do you think her husband had something to do with it?
This man had COMPLETE control over this woman.
IF he really cared and loved her, he would have had a vasectomy to spare his wife more torment.
Instead, they have another child.
At this point, she was AGAIN institutionalized for SEVERE postpartum psychosis. However, her husband did not take her to the same physician that treated her previously who knew how fragile she was (and indeed warned them the last time--this was the fatal mistake IMHO).
Instead, he took her to a physician who didn't completely know her history.
Who do you suppose should have informed the physician of her previous history?
The psychotic patient or her supposedly sane husband?
He then left her alone AGAIN with the children when it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist (which I believe he is one of those) to realize the danger to her AND the kids.
Why insist she keep home schooling?
Why not send the oldest child to private school if that is what their wishes were and why not send the other kids to daycare? Give the woman a chance to regain her mental capabilities and recover and give her a break.
He controlled the purse strings in that house and he obviously controlled her.
Rusty Yates is culpable in the deaths of his children. He was not an innocent bystander.

[wakeme2008]

2. Bet she is PG... nt

[FuzzySlippers]

7. With the first of their "quiver full".

http://www.quiverfull.com/

Can't let anything, including postpartum psychosis, get in the way of that bein' fruitful and multiplyin'.

[Radio_Lady]

11. Well, I was surprised that the Keith quiver is full of bi-racial kids!

I expected all white Aryans, didn't you?



http://www.quiverfull.com/aboutus.php

[Dulcinea]

39. What a pantload!

I was voluntarily sterilized after 2 kids & am happy I did it, with no weird complications. My OB did tell me about irregular cycles, but I always had those when not on the pill anyway.

Guess I'm going to hell. :crazy:

[NYC]

3. She has signed on for a hellish existence.

May she fare better than his last wife.

[Maccagirl]

4. Is he going to keep the newbie barefoot and pregnant too?

<Met her at church>

Yep,sounds about right...

:shrug:

[leesa]

6. I guess the "till death do you part ' thing doesn't mean much to this

good Christian. Now if his name was Schaivo....

[depakid]

8. That sick bastard deserves to be in prison

I feel VERY sorry for the gullible woman. She's setting herself up for serious psychological abuse.

[GoldenOldie]

9. So much for "in sickness and in health."

This fundie guy is one big asshole who deserves time in hell.

[Carla in Ca]

13. I'm with you...

He knew of her illness but just had to get the big family. He may not have driven the car off the cliff, if you will, but he gave her the keys.
Oh, those conservative moral values at work, huh?

[LostinVA]

20. As far as I'm concerned, he handed her a loaded gun with a

round in the chamber and said, "Here you go, Andrea," He knew she shouldn't have any more kids... he deserved to be on that stand, too. Makes me sick. I will never understand why he wasn't at least charged with child endangerment...

[Mad_Dem_X]

24. Agreed - he is partially responsible

for what happened to those poor kids.

[LostinVA]

29. I think about the men I know, and what they would have done

And... it would have been so different.

[Horse with no Name]

10. Hopefully he has learned his lesson

And won't force his wife to live in a 40 ft. motor home with 3 toddlers while homeschooling another after she was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis until she goes bat shit crazy.

[Hekate]

15. And that's the real issue, isn't it?

The Yates family tragedy was packed with what-ifs -- What-if the parents and husband of Andrea Yates had actually seen her and helped her?

I have never felt anything for Andrea but the deepest pity. She had post-partum psychosis, a rare but real illness; but instead of her husband and other family members getting her the help she so desperately needed, everyone around her continued to act as though nothing was wrong with her. They were oblivious to reality.

Her mom and dad still expected her to be the prefect daughter to them, always available to help them. Her husband still expected her to home-school the children, and to get pregnant again and again -- to be the perfect Christian wife and mother. The woman fell to pieces before their eyes and none of them lifted a finger -- and she was running as hard as she could to keep up with their expectations.

In Andrea's poor broken mind she thought she had failed them all, when instead they had failed her. I'm sure she loved her babies, but she felt 100% responsible for their souls, and she was certain that her "failed" mothering would condemn them to the eternal hell-fire her religion preached.

So one fine day she drowned them one by one in the bath. To save their souls.

What-if. What-if Andrea had never had post-partum psychosis? She probably would have been able to handle her life okay. It's not the life most of us would choose, but many do and thrive at it. Being her, she might have continued driving herself to be perfect -- or she might have started setting some boundaries.

The new Mrs Yates has as good a chance as anyone of making marriage work with the oblivious Mr Yates. If she believes in the religion and the lifestyle, and if her strength holds out, she should be fine. She just shouldn't expect that he will understand how hard it is for even a normal person to stay at home with the kids 24/7 with no public school to provide a respite for mommy...

I hope it works out for them. And I hope Andrea's soul will someday find peace.

Hekate

[Blue_Tires]

31. well said

i hope that new wifey knows what she's getting into

[Horse with no Name]

36. What I find the saddest of all

is that Andrea Yates was an extremely smart and outgoing woman before she met Rusty Yates.
Did you know she was an oncology nurse?
It takes a very special person to treat cancer patients. I am saddened that THAT person was lost.
Perhaps losing patients to cancer precipitated the psychosis. The actual futility of life. It isn't easy as a nurse to lose patients and some have harder times than others dealing with it. We'll never know anything except that this woman completely snapped. I, too, have nothing but sympathy to her for what happened to her.
She loved her children.
Thank for the post. You are spot on.

[LostinVA]

21. A brief, excellent synopsis of this tragedy.

[Raine]

14. I'm sure

they'll start multiplying immediately, just what the World needs more fundies. :puke:

[gaspee]

16. Slim the articles

on that quiverfull site. I can't quite wrap my mind around the fact that in this day and age, people still think that way. Kinda scary. Fundies scare me worse than any other group. They're the type of people who burn people at the stake, stone people to death, kill women for being raped, and a hundred other scary things. Religion. Fun for all!

[Megahurtz]

48. And did you see the "Birthing God's Mighty Warriors"

book ad (on the sight that makes you quiver):

"A hard-hitting, scriptually based expose on the emotional, physical, and spritual damage
caused by the secular idea of birth control."
http://www.quiverfull.com/resources.php#r15 :wtf:

Ugh! These Fundies are twisted!!!:puke::crazy:

[leftchick]

17. he should be castrated

:grr:

[LostinVA]

18. Nasty piece of work -- start that new baseball team, Rusty

Shame... shame on you.

[Dulcinea]

19. I can't imagine who would have him.

He's so creepy, even without the awful history of Andrea and the family.

[BiggJawn]

22. Some women are just attracted to Creeps.

A fact of life I've puzzled over for over 30 years.

Maybe Dr. Phil will tell her not to wait on him hand and foot...

[Strathos]

26. He's just as guilty as she is

He never said, hey honey, maybe we should stop having kids. He could have helped a lot more than just having his idea of "bread winner" and letting her, who he knew was already mentally stressed, take care of the children every day without a break.

[LostinVA]

34. He also knew she shouldn't be left alone with the kids

And STILL left for work before his mom got there...

[DainBramaged]

27. Is this her?

:evilgrin:

[noonwitch]

30. Can he be required to get a vacectomy before a marriage license?

As much as I wouldn't want the government to prevent citizens from having children, I'd be willing to make an exception in this case.

[bunny planet]

35. from what I recall, the husband is the one that insisted she homeschool

and take care of all the children herself without any help even though she had already had a history of post-partum psychosis from previous births. Nice that he can start his life over, I think he bears just as much responsibility as his former wife for putting those kids in danger.
just my two cents.

[Vogon_Glory]

37. Agreed. Rusty Yates Helped Make This Tragedy Possible

I agree Rusty Yates made this tragedy possible. He not only left Andrea Yates alone with her children, but the fellow also had insisted on making her pregnant time and time again, listened to preachers who preach that mental illness is demonic in origin, and let things go to hell.

Rusty Yates may not have drowned his children in the bathtub, but IMO he went a long way towards making that happen. If a truly just and enlightened society required licences for parenthood, I don't think he'd deserve one.

[warrens]

38. Oh, boy, someone new to brainwash

This time, I hope the wife drowns HIM in the bathtub.

[Radio_Lady]

42. Warrens, are you old enough to remember the movie "Diabolique"?

There was a shock cut of a person drowned in the bathtub -- I'll never forget it.

It's a classic French thriller from long ago, but it left a BIG impression!

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/

Plot Summary for Diaboliques, Les (1955)
The wife and mistress of a sadistic boarding school headmaster plot to kill him. They drown him in the bathtub and dump the body in the school's filthy swimming pool... but when the pool is drained, the body has disappeared - and subsequent reported sightings of the headmaster slowly drive his 'killers' (and the audience) up the wall with almost unbearable suspense.

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Laura, will you marry me?

:evilgrin:

[pitohui]

44. tie yer tubes first, lady!

oh, i'm so mean, i guess he has to get on w. his life, but hopefully he will be a little more careful abt sticking one baby after another in a woman