NBC: Child porn ring busted, 27 face charges

[Roon]

CHICAGO - Charges were to be announced Wednesday against 27 people in the United States, Canada, Australia and Great Britain in connection with an Internet chat room used to trade child porn and view real-time child molestations, federal law enforcement sources told NBC News.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was heading to Chicago for a press conference announcing the charges.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11839832/

[saigon68]

1. Wow they let Alberto out of his Cage again

[0007]

38. Wow! What a guy. Others do the work, but this time it's Alberto

photo we see plastered all over the media taking credit.

Of course we know why, don't we?

[saigon68]

40. OUTRAGEOUS CARTOON

LOVE THE SMIRK ON THAT LITTLE FUCKERS FACE

He is a HOODLUM with a badge.

[wordpix2]

2. first thing Gonzo's done that I approve of--now throw these perps in jail

[MrModerate]

6. Remember this is the same Justice Department . . .

That's trying to run the Moussaoui case. With their level of competence, all these perps will walk . . . away!

[hang a left]

9. You can't trust them to honestly prosecute anyone.

Which should put in doubt every conviction they have won.

[orleans]

19. i know someone who has foster kids that were

raped by their father (over a period of years--repeatedly)

dupage county (an extremely republican county outside chicago) state's attorney joe birkett's office has known about this for two years and has failed to bring a case against the father of these kids--doesn't want to proscute because one of the proscuters told my friend they didn't know if they could win.

(sure, the repukes will keep you safe...hahaha)

and joe is running for lieutenant governor of IL

the republicans sound a bit hypocritical don't they?

[Minnesota_Lib]

42. One has to wonder how much money daddie dearest has donated to the RNC

[coalition_unwilling]

23. Yeah, knowing how this admin works, there's a real

possibility of entrapment. But from the Admin's perspective, that's OK as the whole thing can be allowed to drop quietly, once the entrapment issue results in charges being dropped. Announcing it on defense contractor-owned MSNBC (owned by GE) keeps people's attention off the real enemies of the American people, i.e., the Repukes.

[hexola]

41. Ashcroft > Moussaoui - not exactly the same dept...

just to be slightly fair - doesnt the Moussaoui case go back to Ashcrofts era...?

(although it does seem to be blown by the current crew..)

[benburch]

3. There is not a dungeon deep enough.

*If* they did what they are charged with, I hope they rot.

[sasha031]

4. so Gonzales is a real amerikan hero now

and NSA spying is AOK...

I can guarantee you if there is any truth to this story, they would be part of the christian right.

[Webster Green]

8. It's great that the pedophiles got busted, but Gonzo will use this...

...to bolster the argument that they need to monitor our Internet activity.

[Extend a Hand]

12. yup n/t

[sasha031]

14. you are right

but if they stop internet porn, what will dobson and crew do.

that is their favorite pastime, surfing porn sites...

[Skittles]

22. LOL

that graphic, too f***ing funny!

[Webster Green]

24. Heh!

Spread it far and wide!

[Ezlivin]

5. I want to see THEIR photos

Once they're proven guilty, their mugshots should be publicly posted.

[Roon]

7. No doubt

That should be part of their punishment.

[DURHAM D]

10. I wonder how many repug lawmakers and fundamentalist

preachers they will catch in this sweep ?

[tanyev]

37. Yes. I want to know the names of everyone they arrested.

[Semi_subversive]

11. Good! 27 fewer republican voters!

[Mithras61]

13. I hope they are actually being a little more careful with THIS sweep...

than the one in which large numbers of people were busted and prosecuted, and yet when all the evidence was in they had ruined the lives of a bunch of innocent people.

IF these people are guilty of this, then I hope they rot in hell, but I think I'll reserve judgement on if they are or not until I see some convictions or incontrovertible proof.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. Why is CNN calling it a 'sting'?

Doesn't 'sting' imply that it was a set-up job, designed to lure in targets? If that's the case, does that mean the government is in the child pornography business?

Or does it simply reflect piss-poor reporting on the part of CNN?

[AllegroRondo]

16. "Sting" usually just means they had someone on the inside

not necessarily running the operation.

[coalition_unwilling]

25. The flip side of "sting" is "entrapment" --this admin feels free to

engage in witness tampering (Massaoui), so I'm sure a little entrapment is not beyond their scope.

[Pavulon]

31. Umm

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/chldprn/usann31406ind9.html

How do you entrap someone into oral cop on an infant?

This fuck is on vid doing this. Since he can't get the death penalty, I personally hope he enjoys prison for the rest of his life.

Hopefully the other parent shoots him in the head first.

[coalition_unwilling]

45. You're creating a straw man, the easier to knock it over.

Any competent defense attorney will tell you that the possibility of "entrapment" (or enticement) is always present any time the government mounts a so-called "sting" operation.

My point in my original post is that I no longer trust this administration's actions. Any time they announce indictment, I suspect politics. Any time they tout "evidence," I suspect manufacturing of evidence. And any time they claim that search results were lawfully obtained, I suspect they were not.

The fact that a govt. attorney engaged in "witness tampering" in the Massouai case the same day these revelations came out should automatically make them suspect.

[ConcernedCanuk]

18. piss-poor reporting on the part of CNN - that's a rhetorical Q? - right ??

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I figure that's a given -

[AllegroRondo]

17. I hope they had a warrant to wire tap them

otherwise, all evidence is inadmissable and they will go free.

[Pavulon]

29. No warrant

needed to join a public room. A person can complain and then probable cause is there for a warrant. One tap spawns others and the entire pile of slime is screwed by their own actions documented by an emotionless medium. The log file.

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[lpbk2713]

21. What are the charges against Neil Bush?

Or did they catch up with him yet?

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[Poll_Blind]

27. Should they have? Should they really have used proxies?

I am grateful they did not.

PB

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[Pavulon]

28. Here is a tip

They should have hung themselves before they did what they did to those kids. The indictment is explicit. The allegations are easy to prove.

They thought they could wipe the slate with cheesy disk overwrite tools. They slime and if guilty deserve to die.

First a proxy does shit. A stateful packet inspection system can read the contents of a packet proxy or no, inbound to your machine. The internet is connection oriented. Your ISP can log what you do with ease.


The internet and peer to peer tools are not anonymous. They used public tools and are fucked by logs and their own filthy habits.

In reality it is easier to catch these bastards now than 20 years ago.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/chldprn/usann31406ind9.html

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[Pavulon]

34. Nope

But computer evidence is nice because it is cold. It is not racist, sexist, or greedy.

If a machine logs your burned in mac addy pulling video of a guy with an 18 month old, it does not get angry, it just logs it to a sys log server. Sets up a chain of evidence.

If you read the indictment it is specific.

I can tell you if they have logs and these fucks on video they are done.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. I'm curious about the tagline in your profile. Who does it refer to?

"You see them on the street.
You watch them on TV.
You think they're people just like you.
You're wrong. Dead wrong."

[Danieljay]

30. Hey, you protect kids...you CAN'T be that bad...quick: Look over here!

These creeps should be jailed but this is being played up for the diversion value.

[CHIMO]

35. Canadians among 27 charged in international child-porn sting

Canadians among 27 charged in international child-porn sting
Last Updated Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:41:59 EST
CBC News

Authorities have charged 27 people in Canada, the United States, Australia and Britain in connection with child-porn chat rooms, which allegedly included live streaming video of adults sexually molesting children.

The chat room was a word-of-mouth operation and very difficult to enter, CBC's Henry Champ reported. Those who wanted to get on the site had to go through a security screen set up by the people running the chat room to prevent law officials from entering.

The case began in May 2005 with an arrest in Edmonton. A 49-year-old man was charged with distributing child porn after police raided his home Jan. 26 while he was at his computer.

The child exploitation tracking system, a software program developed by Microsoft Canada with Toronto Police Services, made a "significant link" in the project and helped uncover the secret identities of the suspects, said Deputy Chief Tony Warr of Toronto Police Services.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/15/childporn060315.html


International child porn ring cracked
Investigation began in Edmonton, Chicago news conference told

Toronto's child exploitation branch, part of the Sex Crimes Unit, helped infiltrate two international Internet chatrooms that were being used to facilitate the trading of graphic images of child pornography, including live streaming video allegedly showing adults molesting children and infants.

The investigation began in May 2005 with the arrest of a person in Edmonton, Warr told reporters.

“This investigation is an example of how American law enforcement can and will work side by side with our international law partners to shut down these rings and protect young, vulnerable victims from the horrors of sexual abuse.”

That led to an arrest in Edmonton in May 2005. The man, whose name has been banned from publication, was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142420587671&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

[NashVegas]

36. Ugh! The Guy Who Hosted the Servers Is 1/2 Hour From Me

I've never egged anyone's house before. Seems like a fun idea right now.

link to local story:

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section_id=9&screen=news&news_id=48545

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. Shove this anti-semite filth up your ass and die. -nt

[saigon68]

46. adios

[Mizmoon]

47. How can a person hurt a child that way?

I know it's the most obvious, basic question, but it really eludes me. To know that you've harmed someone and not care - in fact to enjoy it. And to arrange ways to make it worse (i.e. an audience).

They are like "regular" rapists, whose real goal is control and humiliation, but they are too cowardly even to attack an adult woman who has a chance to fight back. They are attracted to the most vulnerable of victims over whom their control can be total.

How can there be people like that? Life without parole is the only way to deal with people so dangerous and vile.

[rman]

48. The important thing is

to realize that there are people like that out there. Broadly defined: people who act as though humans are their most detested enemies.
They come in all shapes and sizes; pedofiles, rapists, serial killers, genocidal dictators - and who knows what else.

[Kailassa]

49. priests, presidents, people running organizations like FEMA ...

[rman]

50. People who run corporations,

People who run financial institutions.

There are a lot of ways to abuse and exploit people. And the more power you have the easier it is to get away with it.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

51. you are onto something here

If we stop accepting it as "normal" and challenging it we may just stand half a chance.
--
otherwise our country is in real trouble

[rman]

52. There's no rational reason why people in positions of power

can not be sociopaths. If they are, then the scale of the damage they do is potentially much larger then the damage done by commonly known types of sociopaths, and they have better chances to get away with it exactly because they have much power.