Mars Hill student loses computer over Bush criticism

[sabra]

http://rdu.news14.com/content/school_news/?ArID=81906&SecID=136

Mars Hill student loses computer over Bush criticism
By: Associated Press

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But Tim Willis claims he didn't mean to harm anybody when he changed song lyrics so they described the violent death of the president.

The Secret Service wasn't impressed, and seized the computer Willis used.

Willis says he made the posting to myspace.com in late February in response to a posting by a friend, whose computer also was seized.

The lyrics were from "Bullet," a 1978 song by the punk band The Misfits. Willis replaced references to President Kennedy with Bush's name.

[Barrett808]

1. "Bullet" lyrics

"Bullet"

President's bullet-ridden body in the street
Ride, Johnny ride
Kennedy's shattered head hits concrete
Ride, Johnny ride

Johnny's wife is floundering
Johnny's wife is scared
Run, Jackie run

Texas is an outrage when your husband is dead
Texas is an outrage when they pick up his head
Texas is the reason that the president's dead
You gotta suck, suck, Jackie suck

President's bullet-ridden body in the street
Ride, Johnny ride
Kennedy's shattered head hits concrete
Ride, Johnny ride

Texas is an outrage when your husband is dead
Texas is an outrage when they pick up his head
Texas is the reason that the president's dead
You gotta suck, suck, Jackie suck

Arise Jackie O, Jonathon of Kennedy
Well, arise and be shot down
The dirt's gonna be your dessert
My cum be your life source
And the only way to get it
Is to suck or fuck
Or be poor and devoid
And masturbate me, masturbate me
Then slurp it from your palm
Like a dry desert soaking up rain
Soaking up sun
Like a dry desert soaking up rain
Soaking up sun

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/misfits/bullet.html

[NVMojo]

2. people forget, it's the times we live in ...

[havocmom]

3. They were born in the US and, without moving, are now in USSR

It is a bit confusing for many.

[FSogol]

4. True, the parallels are many

Pravda = Fox
Berlin Wall = Upcoming wall between Mexico
Drug cheats in the Olympics = US Track & Field Team
Suppression of free speech = "Why do you hate America"
Secret Police = NSA & DHS

[havocmom]

5. Don't forget laws that make it possible to deny rights on the say so

of the Unitary Executive who then does not have to tell why they think somebody is a terrorist suspect.

[LiberalFighter]

6. What was the point of seizing the computer?

Are they going to return it?

How soon will other students upload songs about the Secret Service?

[Davis_X_Machina]

8. It's not the kid's computer..

...it's issued by the school district.

[Davis_X_Machina]

9. Apologies....

...we have a Mars Hill up heah, and issue iBook g4's to all 7th and 8th graders.

Such things happen from time to time with the middle school laptops.

[LiberalFighter]

11. That's different... most times there is policy about use prohibited

[Whoa_Nelly]

7. Well, that could explain the lack of protest songs

Have been wondering where the protest songs are over this war. Of course, during the Vietnam Era the songs really didn't start to come out until we had been involved there for about five years, but one would think that the Iraq killings, occupation and the drumbeat to Iran would stir more musical artists into creating loud and clear messages....or would these fizzle anyway due to media unwilling to give them air time...

[MrPrax]

12. Good point...

I sorta wonder if I am getting either too old to also notice that distinct lack of 'rebellion' among y'outs.

Could be you've struck on something here...might indeed be a obsession on the fascists to clampdown on Youth for fear of another large 'counter-culture'...

Mind you PC sensitivity, as well as religious morality, has done a lot to kill public debate and self-censorship is definitely a strong 'message' being sent out by many these days.--the message, "don't fuck up because you might not be able to feed yourself in the future"

[Whoa_Nelly]

13. Also wonder if the music label companies are less willing

to take a chance on new music input from unknown/lesser known people and/or group because of the backlash/repercussions that could happen to their company.

And, how many music companies are owned by the likes of Murdoch et al.?

[MrPrax]

14. Well...

yeah there is a lot less risk taking in many many industries...

The music industry has always been kinda conservative (obsessed with royalities and radio control), reactionary (re-jigging popular 'black' music by white artists and ignoring independents) or simply behind the trends ("The Man Can't Bust Our Music"!!).

But if you notice, the 'backlash' against G-Rap has largely been ignored--shows that these companies have no problem pushing music that is intolerant, sometimes racist, violent, egotistical, materialistically fanatic and most assuredly sexist. Same thing for the bulk of 80s hairball bands that they promoted with glee or the push for a lot of 'metal'.

The music they program does invite backlash--but it's only someone like the Dixie Chix who catch shit? (Hardly a young people's band really) And certainly the music/media industry sells youth rebellion still...?

The BIG BUT of course is that this music isn't particularly 'political'...so where does that leave us?

You are on to something...

[AndyTiedye]

18. Lots of Social Engineering Behind What the Entertainment Industry Promotes

Gangsta rap makes black folks look scary, and they like that, so gangsta rap gets lots of play.
Helps the ratings of all those police shows they like to put on TV.

If people go out dancing, they aren't sitting in front of their televisions. They don't like that,
so electronic dance music is largely ignored by the big labels,
while their news organizations campaign against the evils of raves.

[MrPrax]

21. Ah...

too simple ;-)

Hope we aren't at that point yet, but YES...'crowd control' does seem like a handmaid to 'entertainment'.

[megatherium]

22. I think what counterculture there is is more a matter of

skillful marketing then any genuine reaction to the mainstream conservative culture. That is, the counterculture is just a segment of the consumer culture, not a political movement.

[saigon68]

17. There is NO Draft this Time

If there was one ---

there would be rioting in the streets already

[Whoa_Nelly]

19. That also crossed my mind

I remember back in '65 eavesdropping on my mom and one of my brothers quietly discussing how to get him to Canada should his number come up.

The draft really did much to spark people into creating greater awareness of the insanity of US involvement in Vietnam.

Have also been wondering if (supposed tohave been peaceful) Sit-Ins would make a comeback this time around. Those certainly had an impact on pushing the message of that war being so wrong. However, the other side of me says that Sit-Ins would only be used against those protesting and placing the label of being a "Hippie" on those participants. Yet, I remember that there were so many college students, not hippies, who were involved in the Sit-Ins.

[saigon68]

20. That's because the Draft Boards were sweeping them up

The rules changed a number of times. The lottery itself didn't start until 1970 I think. Before that the draft boards decided who went. Unless you had some type of deferment. Cheney had a few of those and thus became a "DRAFT DODGER"

[lakemonster11]

27. There are a lot of protest songs.

Here's a list of the ones I'm aware of (keeping in mind I haven't searched for any in nearly a year). I've put asterices by the ones I like best:

Amy Martin - Consequences
Anais Mitchell - Two Kids
Andre S - Don't Follow the Jerk
Andrei Hauk - The Descendant
Andrew Calhoun - Short Ode
Angry Brigade - War Criminal George*
Ani di Franco - Self Evident
Another Dreamer - Freedom Fries
Anthony Congiano - Bushwhacked
Anti-Flag - Turncoat
ARIEL - Wartime President*
Beastie Boys - In a World Gone Mad
Bill See - Seize Back the Future
Bill See - Waste Me Emancipate Me
Bobby Brooks - In the Name of God
Bowler - Talking Points
Brett Eidman - I Don't Like Bush
Brian and Joe Haynes - No War
C.S. Fuqua - Devil Disguised
C.S. Fuqua - We Used to Sing (My Country 'tis of Thee)
Capitol Steps (lots of anti-Bush songs - www.capsteps.com)*
Charlene Grant - Take That Job
Chris Brown and Kate Fenner - Resist War
Chris Chandler and Anne Feeney - Carnivals #3
Chumbawamba - Jacobs Ladder (Not in Our Name)
Common Thread - All for One
Compassionate Conservatives - Another War, Drive My Car
Compassionate Conservatives - In the Garden of Eden
Dan Bern - Bush Must Be Defeated
Dan Bern - My Country Too
Dan Kretzman - Planes of Sorrow
Darryl Holman - Mr. President
David Freyer - Rise Up!
David Rovics - After We Torture Our Prisoners*
David Rovics - Benton Harbor
David Rovics - Bomb Ourselves
David Rovics - Butcher for Hire
David Rovics - Evening News
David Rovics - Fallujah
David Rovics - Ghost Dance Lullaby
David Rovics - Guantanamo Bay*
David Rovics - Hang a Flag in the Window
David Rovics - Here at the End of the World*
David Rovics - Love of an Unknown Soldier
David Rovics - Miami*
David Rovics - Moron
David Rovics - Operation Iraqi Liberation*
David Rovics - The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
David Rovics - The War is Over*
David Rovics - Trafalgar Square
David Rovics - Used to be a City
David Rovics - Who Would Jesus Bomb*
Disenfranchised Music - Fallujah
Disenfranchised Music - Genocide for the Holidays
Disenfranchised Music - Nation of Assholes
Donny Daley - Kick Out the Republicans
Dr. Digi - My Name is Bush
Dubin' Dubya and the Steven Mays - Yabba Dubya Doo
Eminem - Mosh
Eric Anders - A Man for No Season
Eric Anders - How Low and Why
Eric Anders - Warrior Kin
Eric Idle - The FCC Song (Fuck You Very Much)*
Everton Blender - Bush and Saddam
Feuer - Where We Are
George and Julius - I Don't Want to be a Soldier*
Glenn Kricher - Bye Bye George
Green Day - American Idiot*
Green Day - Life During Wartime
Harris Bierhoff - 43
Harry Shearer - Hard Work*
Heather Lev - What Have You Done?
Hugh Blumenfield - King George III*
Hypoxia Beach - If You Laff
Illegal Sound - Bushman
Iron Rain - Latet Anguis In Herba
Jack Chernos - Hey, Rich King Midas
Jack Hardy - In Bed With the Enemy*
James Blundell - Back It Up
Jay Mankita - They Lied*
Jeff Hellman - Thief of Baghdad
Jim Clark - Fool Me Twice
John Kasper - We're the Enemy
John Kasper - Conspiracy of Silence
John Kasper - Don't Think Twice
John McCutcheon - Ashcroft's Army*
John McCutcheon - Boob on Our TV*
John McCutcheon - Dick Cheney*
John McCutcheon - Duct Tape
John McCutcheon - Hail to the Chief
John McCutcheon - Let's Pretend*
John McCutcheon - Not Me
John McCutcheon - Our Flag Was Still There*
John Mellancamp - To Washington
John-Michael Sun - Code Red
Jonathan Byrd and the Dromedary - You Better Keep an Eye on Him*
Joyce Anderson - Filled with Love
Jules Jackson - Gunner Joe
Jynkz - We Don't Want Your War
Kaiser Blues Band - Out of the Ashes
Kaiser Blues Band - The Cowboy*
Kate McDonnell - Mercy
Kris Penn - Home No More
Lach and the Secrets - Former President Bush
Lenny Kravitz and Kadim Al Sahir - We Want Peace
Les Barker - The Civilized World
Linda Finkle - George Porgie
Little Big Men - Mr Bush, You Are Not the President of this World
Margie Perez - Bush, Man
Matt Aquiline - Wrong Way
Michael Troy - The Thief*
Mike and Dave (COILER) - Rogue Nation
Mox Nix - United Police States of America
Mox Nix - Weapons of Mass Destruction
Myshkin's Ruby Warblers - Lied*
Nathan Sloniowski - Who Rules the World?
Neocons - Don't Misunderestimate Me*
NOFX - Idiots are Taking Over
NOFX - Irrationality of Rationality
Old No. 8 - Somewhere Down the Line
Old No. 8 - Talkin' George Herbert Walker Bush, Jr. Blues
One Black Lung - Bonehead
One Ring Zero - King George Blues
OutKast - B.O.B.
Pat Humphries & Sandy O - codePINK
Patrick Malanga - American Dream
Paula Cole - My Hero, Mr. President
Peace Song - American Two-Step
Peace Song - Not So Curious George
Peggy Watson - Cowboy (Ode to Dubya)
Peter Johnson - Statistics
Phil Klein & Maria DeAngelis - Do You Hear?
Pine Music - Peace March
Rhett Redelings-MacDermott - Something to Believe In
Rich Wyman - Tell Me It's Over*
Rick Dieffenbach - Mr. Bush, I'm Not Voting for You
Ripe Mango Productions - W in F-Sharp
Robbie Safdie - Bush's Folly
ROL G1 - Selfish Bitch
Roymond - Sunny Again
R-Three - Something to Believe In
Sam Neff - It's a Shame
Sam Turton - Patriot
Scott Morrison - Houston, Texas Dee Cee*
Scott Morrison - Republicans Rule the World
Sea Lion Records - Sonofa Bush
Sergent Garcia - Stop Da War
Shawn Sage - Let's Get Bush Off the Wagon
Son and Ledder - No More Whoppers
Son of the Never Wrong - Born a Thousand Times
Spartacus Jones - Give Me Liberty
Steve Earle - Fuck the FCC*
Steve Earle - Home to Houston*
Steve Earle - Rich Man's War*
Steve Earle - The Gringo's Tale
Steve Earle - The Revolution Starts Now
Steve Earle - Warrior*
Steve Gillette - The Wumper
Steve Zimmerman - Girly-Man Rag
Steve Zimmerman - Neocon Blues*
Steve Zimmerman - No Child Left Behind
Steve Zimmerman - Terror
Steve Zimmerman - Thank You for the Tax Cuts
Steve Zimmerman - What Were They Thinking?
Stragegirl - Holdin' Out
This Side of Sanity - Boneyard Parade
Uberplebs - The Best Trick
Walter Mann - Basic Cable Blues
Wet City Rockers - Burn that Bush
Willie Nelson - Whatever Happened to Peace on Earth?*
World Shelter - Liberator
Yikes McGee - Bad President
Yikes McGee - Coup d'Etat
Yikes McGee - Cowboy President*
Yikes McGee - Liar*
Yikes McGee - PNAC, or NEO-Masters of War
Yikes McGee - Propagandy
Zach de la Rocha and DJ Shadow - March of Death
Zeroscape - Uncle Bush Wants You

I also like these songs, but I don't know the artists:
What Are We Fighting For?*
Takin' My Country Back*

I also think of these two as anti-Bush songs due to comments their artists have made:
Dixie Chicks - Truth No. 2
Bonnie Raitt - I Will Not Be Broken

[mikeytherat]

10. Too bad Clinton isn't still President

In the 90s, before I had a digital camera, I used to pass a car every day in the parking deck with the following bumper sticker:

A silhouette of a rifle at one end, a picture of Bill Clinton at the other, and the text in between?
"Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?"

Yuk. Yuk. Yuk. Back in the day when you could advocate the death of your country's leader and get away with it. Wish I had gotten a photo of that bumper sticker - I almost don't believe I saw it every day for two years.

mikey_the_rat

[Catrina]

16. Well, you can suggest poisoning a SC judge, or two or three and get away

with it, so what are you complaining about? :sarcasm:

The kid should have said 'just kidding, for all you media types out there' ~ it worked for Ann Coulter!

The Music industry got the message early when the attack on the Dixie Chicks happened ~ and I remember other celebrities admitting that it had a chilling effect on many of them as far as speaking out. There was a concerted effort to silence celebrities, like Sean Penn, who lost a $10 million dollar contract eg, (he sued and I don't know what happened to that suit). Then there were the attacks on Martin Sheen. He nearly lost his job also ~

So, maybe that is the reason for the lack of protest songs ~ Clear Channel banned the Dixie Chicks, didn't they? And wasn't there a list of songs that were banned back in the beginning of the war? I seem to remember that, and I haven't even heard songs like Beth Midler's 'God is Watching Us' eg, which I did hear during the first Gulf War ~

They made a pre-emptive strike on protestors this time ~ they were ready for them and for that 'hollywood crowd' ~

[HuffleClaw]

15. a parody?

ooooooh. how SCARY !!!!

[young_at_heart]

23. "Bashing Bush costs student his computer"...headline in our paper

Secondary headline: "Secret Service punishes freshman at Mars Hill after 'threatening' post. It says the Secret Service seized a computer from the dorm room of the student. A poster above says the computer belonged to the school, but that wasn't in our paper. The Secret Service agent asked the student if he was a member of any organizations and he told him that he was in the Boy Scouts and got his Eagle Scout.

[Clyde39]

24. Wouldn't it be his personal computer?

I've never heard of schools supplying kids with computers for their dorms, but it's been a while since I was in school.

[young_at_heart]

26. I'm sure it was his personal computer

What I'd like to know is how did the Secret Service find out about his posting in the first place.

[Octafish]

25. When will Bush's computer get seized?

The guy's only a traitor who lied America into a war and exposed a CIA agent working to protect America from nukes.

Edit: unktuaiotion.

[wordpix2]

29. LOL! Good question for FBI, Congress: when will you seize WHCheney comput

ers?

[young_at_heart]

28. Update: "The Secret Service says student's rant was no threat to Bush"

They are going to examine the seized computer for any other information before deciding whether they think he broke the law. It seems that someone tipped the Charlotte Secret Service office about the website's posting.