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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 03:38 PM
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FBI Agent Testifies About Moussaoui Arrest
Here's the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_6;_ylt=AiYrWYWHk42ScnLokXz7c00Tv5UB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

"Agent Harry Samit, questioned by defense attorney Edward MacMahon in Moussaoui's death penalty trial, said he referred to Moussaoui in the context of terrorism some 70 times in communications with superiors after arresting him Aug. 16, 2001, but failed to get the FBI to conduct an all-out investigation."

"He confirmed under questioning that he had attributed FBI inaction to "obstructionism, criminal negligence and careerism" in an earlier report."

So how come these same "incompetents" got raises, budget increases and promotions after these catastropich failures?

How many people on this forum are satisfied with the 9/11 Commission Report? The obstruction of all investigations before and since is one of the problems with the official account ignored and distorted by the Commission

115 ommissions and distortions:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 04:02 PM
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1. Another article...
Memo predicted aircraft hijacking
Under cross-examination by defense attorney Edward MacMahon, Samit acknowledged that he predicted in an Aug. 18, 2001, memo that Moussaoui was a radical Islamic terrorist in a criminal conspiracy to hijack aircraft. Moussaoui ended up pleading guilty to two specific counts that Samit had explicitly predicted in his Aug. 18 memo.

Despite Samit’s urgent pleadings, FBI headquarters refused to open a criminal investigation and refused Samit’s entreaties to obtain a search warrant.

“You needed people in Washington to help you out?” MacMahon asked.

“Yes,” Samit said.

“They didn’t do that, did they?”

Samit said no.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11923151/

They cuold have easily prevented 9/11, but the FBI wouldn't seek a SEARCH WARRANT!!!!! This is HIGH TREASON and more evidence for MIHOP or LIHOP!

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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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2. Agent Who Arrested Massaoui Blasts FBI
Edited on Mon Mar-20-06 04:13 PM by wordpix2
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11923151/

Defense questioning brings out fact that headquarters wasn’t interested

Updated: 2:06 p.m. ET March 20, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - The FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 accused headquarters of criminal negligence for its refusal to investigate Moussaoui aggressively after his arrest, according to court testimony Monday.

Agent Harry Samit testified under cross-examination at Moussaoui’s trial that FBI headquarters’ refusal to follow up “prevented a serious opportunity to stop the 9/11 attacks” that killed nearly 3,000 people.

Moussaoui is the only person charged in this country in the attacks.

The FBI’s actions between Moussaoui’s arrest on immigration violations on Aug. 16, 2001, and Sept. 11, 2001, are crucial to his trial because prosecutors allege that Moussaoui’s lies prevented the FBI from thwarting or at least minimizing the Sept. 11 attacks. Prosecutors must prove that Moussaoui’s actions caused the death of at least one person on 9/11 to obtain a death penalty.

snip:

Under cross-examination by defense attorney Edward MacMahon, Samit acknowledged that he predicted in an Aug. 18, 2001, memo that Moussaoui was a radical Islamic terrorist in a criminal conspiracy to hijack aircraft. Moussaoui ended up pleading guilty to two specific counts that Samit had explicitly predicted in his Aug. 18 memo.
Despite Samit’s urgent pleadings, FBI headquarters refused to open a criminal investigation and refused Samit’s entreaties to obtain a search warrant.



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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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3. kick
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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4. Terrorism never registered with the new Bush Administration
It was never going to be an important issue. But Iraq was and when 9-11 happened the rest is history. This is the ultimate 9-11 could have been stopped.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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5. *Admin/FBI either most incompetent morons ever or LIHOP
Edited on Mon Mar-20-06 04:17 PM by wordpix2
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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8. I've lately been a LIHOP believer, but you gotta admit,
other than 9/11, they have been the most incompetent fools we have ever seen.

I see dumb people.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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12. Well said.
They clearly intended to attack Iraq anyway, and they presumably just used the plan already drawn up by the NeoCons, even though it didn't really fit.

I just can't figure out what the big hurry was. Surely saddam would have eventually behaved badly enough to convince the UN/his neighbors/"old Europe" to agree to intervene. Pretzel Boy just couldn't wait to become The War President I guess.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:03 PM
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28. His poll numbers were tanking and if he didn't get them up...
somehow or do something quick (e.g. - 9/11) they would have been in serious big trouble in the first mid-terms and no one would have believed either mid-term gains for 'Pukes or a re-election in '04. The hurry was to ensure that Wrong's poll numbers were high enough by mid-term elections to make the theft seem plausible. After that, the control of the House & Senate was enough to be able to throw some bones to his base & still keep the evangelicals & fundies in line for the '04 stealing.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:35 PM
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29. Actually, the out-going Clinton warned the in-coming Bush about OBL
Clinton Says He Warned Bush of bin Laden Threat
Reuters

Thursday 16 October 2003

NEW YORK - Former President Bill Clinton warned President George W. Bush before he left office in 2001 that Osama bin Laden was the biggest security threat the United States faced, Clinton said on Wednesday.

Speaking at a luncheon sponsored by the History Channel, Clinton said he discussed security issues with Bush in his "exit interview," a formal and often candid meeting between a sitting president and the president-elect.

"In his campaign, Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and a national missile defense," Clinton said. "I told him that in my opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden."

The U.S. government has blamed bin Laden's Al Qaeda network for the Sept. 11 attacks.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/101703A.shtml

So the question has to be asked, if Bush was spying on Americans prior to 9/11, and if Clinton had warned him about OBL prior to 9/11, then why didn't Bush stop 9/11?

What the hell was he doing all that time?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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6. Which basically blows the governments case. Next!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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7. "Criminal negligence?" on the front page of MSNBC
of course, we have people that want Moussaoui to fry for the crimes of the 9/11 hijackers, and they don't care that he is clearly insane.

Considering how FUBAR this case has become, we should just be happy to see Moussaoui in jail for the rest of his life.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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10. death penalty is hypocritical
if they fry him for withholding info THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED 9/11, then the FBI Management that made the decision TO STAND DOWN any investigation of moussaui/ all Saudi's in the USA - per Bush White House Directives to the FBI at the time, should also be toasted by the US government for the same crime!

It's pretty well known anything Saudi Arabian connected before 9/11 was hands off, back off FBI, per GWB directives.

-85% Jimmy
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:42 PM
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26. Moussaoui is French, but the death penalty is indeed hypocritical
as it is in all cases. In this case, it is obviousy an attempt to cover up.

Moussaoui might just as well have kept his mouth shut for all the good it did. Why admit to anything true in interrogation, if the information you give is not going to be followed up on.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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9. They shouldn't have tried that angle to fry Moussaoui.
They knew everything they needed to know to stop 9/11. It wasn't Moussaoui's fault that jr was content to chop down scrub brush at that pig farm instead. Moussaoui would make a better president than jr.

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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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11. Don't forget the MILLION dollar payoff (hush $$) to victim's families
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

Published on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 by the Toronto Star
Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 'Bribe'
Ignore Deadline for Compensation
by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it's blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.


For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 05:08 PM
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13. that certainly was hush money and kudos to those who didn't accept it to
get at the truth---hopefully it will come out soon but maybe we'll never know.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 07:02 PM
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14. Moussaoui must die to cover up the lies.
It is as simple as that. Agent Harry Samit is a hero who stood up and spoke truth to power. The case for executing Moussaoui is that his alleged failure to provide information about 9-11 resulted in the deaths of around 3,000 people. Instead Moussaoui provided more than enough information for Agent Samit to figure out what was going on, but Agent Samit hit a brick wall in the FBI. LIHOP or MIHOP the truth is there if you are fearless enough to take the blinders off.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:43 PM
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24. The fireman whispered, "You wanna know something?
Bush and bin Laden have the same banker."

Three interconnected circles

Circle one was labeled patsies, comprising "dupes," "useful idiots,"
"fanatics," "provocateurs," and "Oswalds." Included here were the
demonized bin Laden and alleged lead hijacker Mohammad Atta. The second
ring, marked MOLES, contained "government officials loyal to the invisible
government," such as Paul Wolfowitz, Tony Blair, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney,
and, of course, George W. Bush. The third circle, PROFESSIONAL KILLERS, encompassed
"technicians," "CIA special forces," "old boys"----the unnamed ones
who did the dirty work and kept their mouths shut.

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html
....
Still, the fireman said, if he had to pick a letter in my poll, it would be A.

"Osama fucking bin Laden, like Bush says.
If I thought it was someone else, then I’d have to do something
about it. And I don’t want to think about what I’d do."
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:57 PM
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15. LAT FBI Witness in Moussaoui case faults superiors
ALEXANDRIA, Va. — The FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks described with great regret today how his superiors in Washington repeatedly blocked his attempts to find out whether Moussaoui was part of a widespread terrorist cell intent on attacking the United States.

Special Agent Harry Samit also said his superiors did not share other critical counterterrorism intelligence with him, such as a memo from the FBI's Phoenix office about suspected terrorists taking flight lessons and a briefing for President Bush citing intelligence that planes might be hijacked.
Samit said his superiors told him right after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon that it was "just a coincidence" unrelated to the case he was trying to make against Moussaoui.

Testifying during cross-examination by defense lawyers in Moussaoui's death penalty trial, Samit said he now believed his FBI superiors were guilty of "criminal negligence and obstruction" and that they thwarted his efforts in the interest of protecting their own careers. He called their actions a "calculated" management decision "that cost us the opportunity to stop the attacks."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-moussa21mar21,0,4983416.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:57 PM
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16. Hmm
It says "FBI witness" not "FBI agent." That's odd.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:57 PM
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19. maybe "former agent"?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:57 PM
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17. Seems to me the prosecutors case is shot to hell. She says if he
had said something that they would have done something.

Well they had the knowledge and still did nothing.

:shrug:
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 10:57 PM
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18. "Let one happen. Stop the rest!"
Is looking more and more plausible with every moment.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 11:02 PM
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20. Obstructionism. Criminal Negligence. Careerism.
Gee. That pretty much sums up the Bush administration, as seen from the supporters' perspective now.



So. A question for the suddenly missing Tinfoil-Hat Labelers: "Isn't obstruction of justice in matters of national defense, treason?"


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:56 AM
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23. Are we to be let out of the dungeon soon?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:16 PM
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30. FAA didn't want to call FBI.
Gee. How can it be that the US Government had all these warnings and did nothing?



FAA Reportedly Dismissed Moussaoui Concern

Wednesday March 22, 2006 4:46 PM
By MATTHEW BARAKAT
Associated Press Writer

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - A manager at an Arizona flight school that trained one of the Sept. 11 pilot-hijackers testified at the Zacarias trial Wednesday that she called the Federal Aviation Administration with concerns over his qualifications for a pilot license, but her concerns were dismissed by an FAA official.

Margaret Chevrette, manager at the flight school, was testifying in the death-penalty trial of Moussaoui, who has confessed to being an al-Qaida terrorist.

It was the second time this week jurors heard witnesses testify that people in positions of authority in the federal government responded either slowly, negatively - or not at all - to warnings about a possible a possible terrorist attack.

SNIP...

``I remember crying all the way to work knowing our company helped to do this,'' she said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5703710,00.html



I never did understand why people interested in this subject are called Tinfoil Hat.

Heck, all I want is the truth.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:08 AM
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31. Remember
Sibel Edmonds
....
"Information was omitted and covered up
regarding documented and confirmed case of a
long-term FBI Informant and Asset who provided
the FBI with specific information and warnings in
April and June regarding the 9/11 terrorist attacks."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/10/60minutes/main562685.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2182852

:hi:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:07 AM
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21. Plays to the racist - plays to the 'incompetant' crowd
It is designed to PLAY w/ Who/ What/ Where /Why of the quasi-intelligent American.



I weep for my contry.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:24 AM
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22. Patriot Act
Will this piece of totalitarian police state fascism now make the FBI managers do their jobs in a competent manner?

Their prior incompetence and dereliction is making our government take away our freedoms!

-85% Jimmy
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:40 PM
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25. these facts exemplify why the patriot act and the erosion of civil
liberties are not the answer to fighting al quada, competent people working at the FBI and CIA at all levels, not just the front line, is the answer. This middle layer that sat on Mr. Samits information should be "gone".
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 07:52 PM
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27. Oh, jeez. I mis-posted in haste. Would you please excuse? n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-22-06 08:08 PM by Judi Lynn
(Posted a message in the wrong thread ALTOGETHER.)
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Lostnote06 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:50 PM
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32. Uncharted Waters for our country wrt Trial
........The painful truth for the country to see is that our fellow citizens whose job is to maintain a firewall of safety for all of us actually were doing their jobs.......Truth has fallen.......
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