Lieberman says Bush wiretapping 'outside the law'

[sabra]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/26/lieberman_says_bush_wiretapping_outside_the_law/

Lieberman says Bush wiretapping 'outside the law'

HARTFORD, Conn. --President Bush's authorization of warrantless wiretapping as part of the war on terrorism was "outside the law," Sen. Joe Lieberman said Sunday.

Lieberman, D-Conn., also said he opposes a move by a Democratic Senate colleague to censure Bush over accusations that the president unlawfully authorized wiretaps without obtaining court orders.

"As I read the law I think the president's tapping or surveillance without a warrant was wrong," Lieberman said on "Face the State" on WFSB-TV. "It was outside the law."

"This is an important program," said Lieberman, who is seeking a fourth term this year. "I don't find anybody in Congress who thinks we ought not to be listening to the phone conversations and reading the e-mails of people that we think are involved in and we have reason to believe are involved in terrorist groups. But it has to be done in America in my opinion pursuant to the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. It has to be done with a court order."

[Akoto]

1. I think Hell just froze over a little.

Lieberman *almost* went against Bush completely on something. My word.

[Boojatta]

40. The level of conflict has reached a critical point

Lieberman: "What you did was outside the law."

Bush: "I hear you, but you are outside sanity."

Lieberman: "How dare you! Are you calling me insane?"

Bush: "You're not paying attention to the nuances here. I never said you were insane. You might be outsane."

Lieberman: "You person who, while remaining within the law, strays too close to the boundary!"

Bush: "Those are fighting words."

[saigon68]

79. LOL Limpmann the DINO

What a slug

[Gman]

50. Nah, just a light frost

Lieberman's runnin' scared now.

[goforit]

64. Light frost is right. He's gotta long way to go to become tundra.

[VegasWolf]

52. Lookie, the Repukes are fighting amoung themselves!!! nt

[TankLV]

67. You made me almost spew my drink over my computer!

That was PRICELESS!

[Eurobabe]

59. you took the words out of my mouth!

[Zhade]

61. Nah, it's just a wee bit colder.

Lieberman thinks b*s* broke the law, but shouldn't even be censured?

What the fuck EVER, you fucking idiot!

[TankLV]

66. Yeah - BUT he's still giving him a PASS!

If it's "against the law" - it's an IMPEACHABLE offense you asswipe!, let alone AT LEAST worthy of CENSURE!

God I can't wait till this TRAITOR GOP MOLE to the Democratic Party is GONE!

He is SUCH a loser!

[Wilms]

2. What?

Oh, yeah. Joe has a primary challenger.

[Marlie]

10. Holy Joe is worried

Ned Lamont is getting backing. Lieberman may back down and lose his love of
Bush till after the November election, then he'll go right back to being the
Republican parties greatest gift. Don't let him fool you.

[butterfly77]

26. Thats what a lot of the Repugs are doing now...

as soon as the election is over and if they win, all of the arrogance will show up and they will really believe they have a mandate, and will be worser than we think now they are just waiting. If they win I believe this country will not be able to take anymore and I wonder what the results will be.

[peacebird]

29. exactly - a lot of us have called his office and said we're

sending money to Lamont if LIEberman doesn't support censure.

LIEbermans office staff seemed a bit stunned by the calls. But ya know what, holy Joe? I'm sending my money to Lamont NO MATTER WHAT THE F**K YOU DO.

Time for holy Joe to retire, or switch to the Repuke party in NAME as well as votes.

[wordpix2]

54. Just got email from Ned Lamont staffer-Ned needs more contributors to send

$$ to: www.nedlamont.com. Gist of email is that the number of contributors is more important than the amount given at this point to get into a primary vs. Lieberbush.

[DLnyc]

75. Done

20 bucks for Ned. All I can afford right now.

Joe needs some down time.

[goforit]

65. He made his reputation, now he's gotta lay in it!

[monktonman]

3. ok Joe let me get this straight

wiretapping is "outside the law" yet you dont agree with calls for a censure?
Outside the law means he broke the law doesnt it?
Am I crazy for thinking this??

[Frank Cannon]

11. It's called "having your cake and eating it too"...

while in a desperate drive for reelection.

What a mug.

[flyarm]

21. thank you monktoman..my sentiments exactly..wtf joe?? censure

for a bj lie..a lie...under oath that reached the impeachment stage..but shitting on our constitution destroying the branches of government..a pres who thinks he is above the law..admits it and says he will keep doing it until someone stops the fucker..and that is not worthy of censure joementum????????

so joe is basically saying he is for destroying the relevance of congress...joe is for destroying the constitution and bill of rights..joe is for destroying and separations of power our laws demand...and our forefathers tried to protect us from..well it seems to me joementum is a supporter of dictatorship..so tell us joe..why was it we went to war in iraq??

oh yeah ..to remove a dictator...

i despise that weasle !

fly

[Zhade]

62. Ironically, Lieberman is enabling the very type of fascist...

...that killed so many of his people in WWII.

[TankLV]

68. So true, so true.

So very sad.

And frightening.

[DLnyc]

73. Many abused children grow up to be child-abusers.

As a Jew, I can tell you some of us reacted to the Holocaust by becoming opposed to fascism, bigotry and scapegoating in ALL its forms (this is the message, unspoken but unmistakable, that I was raised with and also was an idea underlying a lot of the civil rights movement, I think). Others reacted by becoming opposed to fascism, bigotry and scapegoating when it was directed against them, but felt okay using similar techniques to protect themselves and their loved ones. I was really hit by this the first time I saw it, and I think it is quite analagous to the abused child sydrome.

I see Joe as one of the deluded crowd that feel they can compensate for their feeling of fear and vulnerability by cozying up to the big bad dictator. Maybe after he loses the primary he can spend some time looking at pictures of Iraq torture victims and perhaps rethink his position.

[lumpy]

34. Congress should spend time debating whether

to write a new law requiring Prez to go through the court as specified in the present law ??? Oh yes, this really makes sense. Is this bumbling idiot for real ?

[lovuian]

4. Joe must be getting squeemish about his election HA HA HA

But heres the question Joe if push comes to shove would you vote Impeach Bush for breaking the law or would you give him a kiss!!!:pals:

[formercia]

5. If you can't impress them with the facts

dazzle them with the bulls*t. Atta way Joe.

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[JeffR]

7. This just in: Joe remembers his party registration!

But fear not, Mr. Preznit, another day or two and he'll forget it again.

[leveymg]

8. Ok, Joe. Just lead the posse to arrest Dubya, and we'll forgive you.

Knew you didn't have it in you.

[Rose Siding]

9. Joeforcement!

Do the crime, do no time. Think of the money we'll save in prison expenses.

[JeffR]

15. !!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Journeyman]

19. LOL. . .

very good.

[Zhade]

63. I guess that's his form of, er, "Joe-stice".

*cringes*

[sendero]

12. "outside the law"..

... just say it Joe, you won't melt into a puddle, "it was ILLEGAL".

[acmavm]

22. Wondered how many posts I'd have to read before someone used

the word illegal. Which is something old phony Joe is too squeamish to do. He'd have to take a real stand against his bud if he used that word.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

41. You know, right next to "inside the law."

They stand so close together it's hard to tell sometimes.

:sarcasm:

[supernova]

13. Holy Joe says Bushie is wrong!?!

:wow: :wow: :wow:

Somebody slap me, please and tell me I'm not dreaming!

[Rainscents]

18. Your dreaming... go back to sleep!

[supernova]

24. Thanks for the reassurance

For a minute there, I was worried things might be looking up.

[AndyA]

14. Message to Joe: Then DO SOMETHING to stop it!

In short,

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!

Sorry about the language, I'm just SO SICK of these people making statements about the things this administration is doing that are wrong, illegal, "outside the law," etc., and then DO NOTHING TO STOP IT.

GET OFF YOUR FAT, LAZY ASS AND PUT A STOP TO THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES!!!

This is not a difficult concept to grasp, but no one seems to follow through except for a few like Feingold. I'm sick of the patronizing remarks. It's time FOR ACTION.

[DemGa]

16. Yeah it's illegal but you know

we're not going to do something crazy like hold the lawbreaker accountable.

[sendero]

17. If I didn't know better...

... I'd say Joe is feeling the heat. Nothing, but NOTHING motivates these fuckers in congress like the very thought that their perk-encrusted job is at stake.

Your job is at stake Joe. Believe it!

[Sadie5]

20. Too little, Too late

n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Soft on crime Lieberman? Is "outside the law' a euphemism for

illegally?

[wordpix2]

57. I guess that makes * an out-law

[DearAbby]

25. Wha...are we shocked?

Ol' Joe is just being Ol' Joe. Claims "it is outside the law"...and then saying he would not back the censor of the President for stepping outside that LAW. Just being middle of the road Joe...talking outside his puckered mouth, that is pressed so firmly on the GOP's butt. Just tossed a "See I am a Democrat bone"

[54anickel]

27. It's outside the law, so let's change the law - that's Joe's idea of the

remedy.

"My own opinion, and it seems to be shared by most Democratic senators, is that it would be an unproductive use of our time," Lieberman said. "Again, it's looking backward. It would be divisive. The best thing we could do about this program is to bring it under the law and I'd prefer to spend my time and the Senate's time figuring out how we can adopt a law that allows the administration to continue this program but force them to go to court to get a warrant before they do."

Doing your f'ing job and upholding the Constitution is not an "unproductive use of your time". Whoring with Bushco and Lobbyists is the waste. Sheesh, I "dislike" this f-er.

[wordpix2]

55. that does it, I am ready to send my check to nedlamont.com & vote for Ned

in the primary we WILL have.

[ninkasi]

28. Wow!

Lieberman, who never takes a stand against Bush, and even tries to get us to unite in support of him because of the war, now is willing to admit in public that Chimp is "outside the law." That phrase is where the word "outlaw" comes from. Think about that, Holy Joe, Chimp is an outlaw. Why does he think an outlaw shouldn't be censured?

Maybe this is more about Ned Lamont and reading articles critical of Lieberman has something to do with this, rather than a change of heart on Joe's part.

[bluestateguy]

30. Ned Lamont for US Senate

[Teaser]

31. Any story with Lieberman's name in it

should simply be followed up by your post.

[wordpix2]

56. Ned needs contributors giving even small amount of $$, to get a primary:

www.nedlamont.com---the number of contributors is more important than size of contribution, according to email I just got.

[Pierogi_Pincher]

76. Am sending contrib. for Lamont cause.

Our roots are in Connecticut. Have family there. Still miss it bad.

ATTAWAY NED! :loveya:

:dem:

[flordehinojos]

32. are lieberman's poll numbers going down to?

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[savemefromdumbya]

33. Gosh!

[journalist3072]

35. The question is...

What is he, as a United States Senator, going to do about it?

Of course Bush broke the law. And because we are a nation of laws, we have remedies in place even when Presidents break the law. And one of those remedies is called impeachment.

I also find it oddly curious that Lieberman has been silent about the fact that some members of the Republican Party want to provide Bush with political cover by writing the program into law.

When was the last time Congress retroactively made an illegal program legal?

[benny05]

36. It Took an Election Year for this Enlightening Comment?

Kool-aid shortages everywhere, I guess.

Sorry; I've been very disappointed in Leiberman's voting record, especially on SCOTUS.

[Tiggeroshii]

37. SOMEbody isn't gonna be the defense secretary...

Is he really ready to give up that position? He nearly had it guaranteed for him with Rummy soaring very near the dirt lately....

[Kenergy]

39. What an idiot. He's clueless n/t

[depakid]

42. Still on the Sunday shows

jeopardizing the Dems chances in 2006.

[NoodleyAppendage]

43. Lieberwimp is the WORST excuse for a Democrat EVER...

I can only hope that he loses his Senate seat, so we will be rid of his sorry ass. I can't stand the fucker.

J

[remfan]

44. Notice the past tense?

..."was" wrong. It "was" outside the law.

Still clueless after all these years.

[Nutmegger]

45. A LITTLE TOO LATE HOLY JOE!!!

The guy is shaking because Lamont is actually getting some recognition.


LAMONT 2006!!! :patriot:

[IndianaGreen]

46. I think Holy Joe is hearing Ned Lamont's footsteps behind him

and he has been forced to say that his lover Bush acted outside the law, but no penalty!

What a scumbag!

[Cocoa]

47. this is big

Pretty soon Soledad O'Brien will be the only one still pretending Bush didn't break the law.

[adigal]

48. Lieberman is worried about Lamont

and his precious Senate seat.

See what a little pressure can do?

[Robb]

49. "Outside the law...you know, like the A-Team!"

:eyes:

Joe, Joe, Joe. Please. I'm taking up a collection for you to just sit the hell down.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

51. What the hell? Is Holy Joe coming home???

I think the fact that he actually has some real competition has shaken him up a bit. Wanna bet we get more than one mea culpa from him in the near future?

[killbotfactory]

53. Just fucking say illegal

Why coddle the language to make it sound more pleasing, Christ.

[Jack Rabbit]

58. It's nice to see he finally got this far

Now, com'on, Joe, repeat after me:

The war was a big mistake and no one was liberated.

Iraq was not a threat to the US or any one else in the Spring of 2003.

The war was started because Bush and his team lied to gain support for it.

Lying to start a war of aggression is both an impeachable offense and a war crime.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

[greekspeak]

60. I wonder how he got his tongue out of Shrub's ass long enough to speak!

Of course, he hardly used it once it was out, and it went right back in, no doubt.

[TankLV]

69. Of course it's back in - widdwl howwwy joe wicks his widdwl pacifier.

But sucking on bunkerboy's dick all day long, with your head up his ass is sooooo gay, and downright HARD WORK, isn't it joe?!

[kaygore]

70. May Joe Lieberman rot in hell and may he be unemployed within the next few

Go, Ned, go!

[ihelpu2see]

71. I sent Joe an email saying he'd better censure, but I guess not I

support Ned then!!

[DLnyc]

72. Okay, Joe, that's a step toward recovery from shrubcaholism

"As I read the law I think the president's tapping or surveillance without a warrant was wrong," Lieberman said on "Face the State" on WFSB-TV. "It was outside the law."

Good, Joe, shows you can read and understand the law and you understand what * is doing.

Lieberman said. "Again, it's looking backward. It would be divisive. The best thing we could do about this program is to bring it under the law and I'd prefer to spend my time and the Senate's time figuring out how we can adopt a law that allows the administration to continue this program but force them to go to court to get a warrant before they do."

Not so great, Joe. The law already "forces them to go to court to get a warrant before they do". You already noted that "this program" "was outside the law" (see 'Good, Joe', above). So it is not possible to both "continue this program" AND "force them to go to court to get a warrant before they do".

My question for Joe would be this: "Who are they spying on that the FISA court would not give a warrant. The FISA court has a reputation for being pretty lax--almost always grants a warrant. So presumably if there is any hint that someone might be connected to terrorism, it would be easy to get a warrant. Who do you suppose they might be spying on BESIDES suspected terrorists? Could it be peace groups? Political opposition in general? All political groups and persons? Is this maybe why the FISA court was set up in the first place?"

Personally, I kind of disagree with Joe, since I'd like to see the (illegal parts of the) program DIScontinued, not continued and I'd rather see the law followed instead of 'adopted'.

[LynnTheDem]

74. Gee, what was yer first clue, Lieberman.

Stupid MFer.

[lonestarnot]

77. Oh please......

[yellowcanine]

78. So Lieberman is opposed to censuring law breakers if the law breaker

is the president because "we have more important things to do". Or am I missing something?