Some Gay Couples Adopt to Molest, State Rep Says(TN Repub)

[RamboLiberal]

http://pageoneq.com/rssfeedstuff/index.php?id=6657

Rep. Debra Maggart, R-Hendersonville, said she still believes homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt children. In fact, in addition to e-mail correspondence with a master’s student at Vanderbilt publicized recently, in which she said as much, she has also said homosexual couples may molest the children they adopt.

"We also have seen evidence that homosexual couples prey on young males and have, in some instances, adopted them in order to have unfretted access to subject them to a life of molestation and sexual abuse," she said.

“In all cases to paint with a broad brush strokes is unfortunate,” said adoptive parent Dr. Christopher Harris.

Harris is a pediatrician by day and a single gay adoptive parent by night.

Correction: State is Tennessee not Florida - My bad - saw Palm Beach ad on web and just assumed Florida.

[Avalux]

1. Where's the evidence sweetheart? Huh??

Back up your bigoted comments with some cold hard facts or keep your damn mouth shut. x(

[fooj]

2. There isn't any.

Asshole.

[flobee1]

3. Has there ever been a case

of this happening?


doubtful!

[MsUnderstood]

27. my partner is a social worker

And the cases that she sees are usually heterosexual couples fucking up. For example:

1) A mom sells her sons or daughters for drugs to male drug dealers (these are PEDOPHILES not gay drug dealers)
2) A mom lives with a man who abuses the kids (sexually/physically)
3) A parent refuses to leave the drug using or molesting opposite sex partner

And then gay couples step up and become foster/adoptive parents for these poor kids.

[Maat]

111. Your partner's experiences are in line with my experience.

Proud social worker San Bernardino County ('93 to 2000).

I investigated thousands of cases. In no case did I remove children from an adoptive parent. In no case did a suspect identify himself as 'gay.' Every suspect identified himself as heterosexual, and the vast majority of them were married.

I personally think that pedophiles/sex-abusers deserve their own category.

What percentage of the abuse/neglect was related to drug abuse? 99.9999999%. And I saw plenty of #1 above.

[noonwitch]

130. I work in that field and agree with your partner, for the most part

I had a few situations with males sexually abusing male children, but most were hetero in nature. The male situations usually involved kids in a residential treatment facility, but in 19 years I only had one dad who abused his own male children exclusively, and was openly gay.

[henslee]

150. Shame on these people. Home is where the heart is,

[MadMaddie]

4. They never have statistics.....they just spout crap....

She won't adopt any kids...but she will damn well try to prevent others from doing it....

Another Repug Troll!!!

[megatherium]

25. They've got lots of statistics. All bogus, cooked up by

Paul Cameron, the notorious anti-gay psychologist.

[RubyDuby in GA]

12. Why must you insist on facts????

Can't you just accept the truthiness of it??? Damn 'Murkia hater :P

[CGrantt57]

18. Can't you just accept the truthiness of it???

Now, you're getting it...

It's not a "literal truth" like damn liberals insist on.

It's an "emotional truth."

They know it's true, in their gut.

After all, it's how Shrub does it.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

149. It's all "PRAVDA", my friends!

.....carefully crafted to push all the desired emotional buttons, without requiring a single solitary shred of factual information... it's "PRAVDA": TAILOR-MADE, POLITICALLY ACCEPTABLE TRUTH!!!
..{and yes, it's the sort of thing the KGB and the Soviet Ministry of Public Information used to routinely release to a gullible left-wing press... I wonder which nation's MPI was the model for his "Ministry of Truth"!}
..(but don't take MY word for it!) ;)

[Avalux]

19. lol - what was I thinking??

:crazy:

[n2doc]

58. Yeah, Name F**kin' ONE

I'll bet a search would find quite a few examples of hetero couples abusing their adopted kids. People need to call these bastards on their crap.

[elehhhhna]

66. google adopted russian girl disney

[ecstatic]

103. Michael Jackson?

JUST KIDDING. Her comments were ridiculous and uncalled for. Although I am curious about single parents adopting... But that's another issue...

[Bridget Burke]

122. Why are you "curious" about single parents adopting?

Of course, if they are already single parents, why not adopt more?

You probably mean--why do single people adopt? I know women who wanted children, but no men appeared in their lives. They were secure financially, so they adopted. Do you have a problem with this?

[LostinVA]

123. Agreed... single people have every right to adopt

And do it out of a sharing heart...

[katty]

83. evidence please?....o, right no WMD's found

[Scairp]

92. Did anyone email her?

I did, though I'm sure it won't do any good, but at least I got it off my chest. Ignorant, pandering bitch.

[Demeter]

104. Lots of Cases Where Heteros Molested Their Adopted Kids

Several hit the pages of the NYTimes, even. Should we therefore ban all adoptions? WHat a maroon!

[Maat]

112. And let's keep in mind ..

that in seven years of working emergency response as a social worker in San Bernardino, I never removed from an adoptive parent. So, the vast majority of abusers are biological parents simply because the vast number of kids live with their biological parents.

And, as I said above, in EVERY case I dealt with, the suspect/abuser was part of a HETEROSEXUAL couple.

[adigal]

147. Evidence shows that Freepers adopt to molest

their children, too. Where's the evidence?? Well, I can't really disclose that right now, umm...umm...

It's true, you know. The evidence shows it is true.

(sarcasm off)

The demonization of gays continues unabated, and don't flame me for this, but this is EXACTLY what the Germans did to the Jews in the 1930s to make it easier for the population to accept the stripping of rights, and eventual deportation of the Jews.

What is this womans' phone number?? She needs a few thousand phone calls.

[adigal]

148. Here's her cell phone number from the website

http://www.debramaggart.com/ContentPage.aspx?WebPageId=2438&GroupId=673

Cell: [phone]

[Marnieworld]

5. typo in post

It's Representative Maggot not Maggart. She must be representing maggots because only scumsucking corpse eaters could be this hateful.

It's a good thing there aren't any heterosexual child molesters. She's got this whole prevention thing figured out. :sarcasm:

[pitohui]

6. oh christ

so do heterosexuals but how often would this happen?

the only case i know of personally was a creepy neighbor, male, who fostered female kids and was abusing them to the point where the 8 yr old -- an 8 yr old! -- attempted suicide, the wife did nothing, i think she was afraid of the whackjob

we reported what we could see from our house but the creeps moved away and took the kids before social services did anything

i would hope child services today are aware that all couples should be properly screened, not just gay couples

[Samurai_Writer]

7. OH sure....

We all know how many stories are out there of homosexual parents molesting their children, adopted or not. I see at least a story a day in the news, don't you? :sarcasm:

On the other hand, there have been MANY reports of HETEROSEXUAL parents molesting their children, adopted or not. I say we ban straights from adopting, because you know they are only adopting those children to molest them. more :sarcasm:

[BR_Parkway]

36. And it seems like a majority of them were RePugs too - I can't prove

it without pulling the records, but at least there are records to be pulled.

Fuck her!

[Name removed]

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[Bucky]

14. Not

I'm sure it has happened, but I'm also sure that adoption officials are pretty damn good at spotting potential troublemakers. Certainly gay couples come into a LOT more scrutiny from private adoption agencies. I'm pretty sure most states don't allow gays to adopt from public agencies.

[Pale Blue Dot]

35. Think about this for 2 seconds.

It doesn't even make any sense. 2 pedophiles get together, pose as a gay couple, then go through a lengthy screening process, specifically in order to victimize children?

There is no evidence for this, it doesn't make any logical sense, and it works off of an untrue and stupid assertion about gay people (that gay = pedophile). So no, this is not "probably true", it is definitely, provably false.

[salin]

37. case a number of years ago in Indiana

gay couple had adpoted a number of children - no problem, but when they tried to adopt the sister of the already adopted boys, the foster parents objected and started a huge anti-gay adoption effort in the state. The foster couple petitions to adopt - and wins. Turns out adoptive dad (hetero) had been sexually molesting the girl over a period of years; he is now in jail, and the anti-gay adoption movement died with his jailing.

[peacebird]

59. that is just so sick.... "please adopt the boys, but leave me the baby sis

as my personal sex slave"

bastard. i just don't understand how ANYONE could do that to a child....

[salin]

95. one of the sickest stories I had heard at thetime

as the abuse was horrendous - and the perp used a political 'hot item' to enable himself to continue the abuse. Disgusting real story.

[Maat]

113. I had a very strange case.

The police took four children into custody, and turned them over to me. I recommended a family maintenance, because the mom had only left them to go to a neighbors briefly. But the parents were honest with me, and stated that they liked their boys, but did not like their girls. They relinquished the girls for adoption. Interesting case.

[salin]

120. yikes...

pick and choosing which kids to keep? Ugh. Those kids - all of them - are going to be messed up without serious therapy.

[Maat]

137. Yes, fortunately, the adoptive parents were just wonderful (n/t)!

[Realityhack]

65. Wow.

I couldn't have made up that plot line if I tried.

[salin]

96. It is a real story, and should come up as a counterpoint

whenever some sham politician tries to push the line that is pushed in the OP.

[Realityhack]

102. Absolutely.

Do they even have a story to put up against it?

The thing is I would rather not do a tit for tat story exchange. I think the statistics are much better and they show no problem or even less than no problem (is that posible?). But then stats are prity dry for some people and most people can't tell a good one from one a repuke dugg out his exit hole to save their lives.

[fun n serious]

132. I remember this case.

The husband was molesting the kid he had accused the gay couple of maybe molesting.

[LostinVA]

49. Of course it's not true -- facts? LInks?

Do you for ONE SECOND think that if this was "true," it wouldn't eb plastered over every damn media outlet in this country???? Homosexuality does not equal pedophilia. Show me some REAL facts or get over it. Having your own opinion is one thing, having your own facts is another.

I'm sick of this in the RL, let alone on here.

[Beausoir]

50. And that is probably the stupidest thing I have yet read.

People adopting kids in order to have sex with them?

Good God. The level of ignorance in this world just breaks my heart.

[libnnc]

81. do you have a link for that assumption?

[LostinVA]

97. Didn't think so, huh? I asked the same question hours ago

[libnnc]

100. **crickets**

I don't think we'll ever get a reply.

[LostinVA]

101. Bueller?

[Beausoir]

106. toopers? Please answer. Do you have proof?

[shanti]

117. how do you figure???

jesus christ on a crutch. this is some sick thinking. :(

[toopers]

129. The statement by Maggert is so broad . . .

that it is more than likely true -- for both homosexual couples and heterosexual couples. Never in my message did I imply that one group was more likely to be a pedophile than another, I was just commenting on the broadness of the statement. In fact the statement is so broad that it almost has to be true, not only for gay couples, but for any category of persons.

[geomon666]

9. And straight families don't?

No one has ever been molested in a heterosexual family? Stupid b****.

[Bucky]

10. Hmmm, Maggert. "Maggert." I wonder how people are gonna make fun of that

what a loser.

[wicket]

11. Utter bullshit!!!

The person who abused me was a heterosexual male family member. In fact, most abusers are straight males. This is just yet another case of trying to blame everything on the gay boogeyman under the bed. It's repulsive :grr: And a complete fabrication.

[rocktivity]

13. And straight couples DON'T?

I've seen at least two such couples on America's Most Wanted.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Arkansas Granny]

34. We've had at least two such couples reported on our local news

in the last year, not to mention other physical abuse that happens on a regular basis. I'd like to see these people back up their declarations with facts sometime before they deny these children the chance to live in a loving home just because of their own ignorance or bigotry.

[rodeodance]

15. oh Florida---I do hope you make an issue out of this hatred!

[WarNoMore]

16. THis is so offensive in so many ways;

not only to gays but to so many other children that have been abused by homophobic fathers.

[rodeodance]

17. gay adoption is suspose to be the wedge issue this fall. Guess it started.

[Bucky]

23. 2000 Gay hiring-2004 Gay marriage-2006 Gay adoption...2008 Gay petowners?

Eventually they'll run out of stuff, right?

[CatholicEdHead]

55. Not really, they want all rights but the voting one (as of now)

According to Minnesota's "bigwig" on this issue, state senator Michelle Bachmann.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x17813#17827

[Nostradammit]

20. "unfretted access" ?

Is that like, open chord access?


Frickin loons.

[anitar1]

21. Maybe this Debra Maggots little secret dream.

Nothing would surprise me anymore. Seems the Repigs always have their mind on the crotch area.

[Bob3]

22. And that never happens with "straight' couples?

good god what an ignorant bastard. You shake your head you read stuff like this. Has she contacted a single expert on abuse? no of course not - she's let her own ignorant prejudice blind her.

And notice she never cites the evidence so someone can say oh i don't know fact check her.

[Kber]

24. That is a very serious accusation to make w/ out any backup

and proves homophobia is alive, well, and socially acceptable.

Imagine these comments:

Many black only adopt kids to do chores and housework.

Many Latinos only adopt to have kids to run drugs.

Many Jews only adopt to get state money and tax credits.

Any of these offensive and untrue statements would end a political career.

But Homosexuals adopt kids so they can molest them? Outside of DU and other liberal sites, point me to the outrage.

[Marnieworld]

29. The tide is turning or at least it seems that way to me

I think this blatant vocal hatred by those who feel protected politically by religious zealots currently is really a last gasp during the losing battle. Homophobic hatred will never be truly eradicated just like racism won't be yet in both areas progress can be seen. It happens painfully and often tragically slowly but I really believe that humans and society evolve towards acceptance of all.

You make a great point about the comparisons. Think of it this way though, at one point in time those outrageous statements would have been acceptable discourse but they aren't anymore. The issue politically once was whether inter-racial marriage should be legal and much racist rhetoric existed as just a POV in the debate. But we are past this now (at least legally) and someday it will be the same for gay marriage and adoption. Never soon enough but it will come.

I saw one poll recently that before the 2004 election some 64% polled were against gay marriage and now it's 51%. Way too high and still shameful but it's progress towards the light in a short period of time. The bright side of Maggot and those like her is that they have their hatred in the open where we can view it and fight it.

[Kber]

33. I like your optomistic view of human progress and you make a good

point about their hatred being out in the open and easier to identify and fight.

The tide turns so slowly, but I am hopefull that it is turning.

[Marnieworld]

47. Just look at TV

It's a reflection and creator of society's values. Growing up in the 80s I remember the hushed giggles about Rock Hudson when it was revealed that he was gay. Now? Will & Grace, The L word, Queer as Folk, The whole damn Bravo network. Remember the hoopla over Ellen Degeneres kiss on TV? Now we see girls kiss all of the time on TV in commericals for Girls Gone Wild. I especially love it when HGTV profiles a couple re-decorating or looking for a house and no mention of the fact that it is two men or two women just another couple. It's the little things like this that give me hope.

So much of any prejudice is ignorance and fear. Once people are exposed to what they fear because they are ignorant understanding and acceptance happen. That's why I feel that it's just a matter of time here.

I hope will live to see the day when our leaders denounce international anti-gay hatred like what occurs in Saudi Arabia and other countries. Then we will have truly evolved.

Peace.

[skypilot]

26. "We also have seen evidence..."

equals "Some people say...". Fucking lying twit.

[neuvocat]

30. Or "All I know is..."

I know she didn't say that in the article but its the same rhetorical device.

[NashVegas]

28. Not Florida - Tennessee

Hendersonville is about 20 minutes north of Nashville. Vandy is in Nashville.

NewsChannel5.com is a local outlet.

[xultar]

31. PEDOPHILES ARE HETEROSEXUAL WHITE MEN 30-58 yrs old

The majority of the time.

Wake up FUCKTARD!!!

[CatholicEdHead]

52. Not the way they then spin to define it

In their eyes, anyone of the same gender who abuses a child of the same gender is then "homosexual" hense a 100% abuse rate, by using that definition, the only "heterosexual abusers" are those who abuse different genders than their own.

/got that from my ex-girlfiend

[xultar]

118. Their spin is bullshit. Because history proves my point.

[riona]

32. it's a wonder the republican base

hasn't been electrocuted with all the button pushing

:nuke:

[Solly Mack]

38. Gay does not mean pedophile and I'm more than a little fed up with

the ignorance and the hate that promotes such a lie.

Such incredibly ignorant and hate-filled people have no absolutely place in government.

That female disgusts me.

[snacker]

40. AMEN!!!!!! Couldn't agree more! n/t

[TlalocW]

39. Hey, Ted Nugent apparently did the same thing

In the 1970s... Became legal guardian of an underage groupie so he could get him some on a regular basis. So now we have evidence that a heterosexual will do the same thing. I guess we'll turn all the orphanages into child labor camps since we can't trust homos or heteros.

TlalocW

[flimsy]

41. re: Some Gay Couples Adopt to Molest, State Rep Says(TN Repub)

Yes unfortunately this is happing in Tennessee. The backyard of Bill Frist. Surprised. Last week they tried to ban dildos now this. Sometimes it's hard to live here with these people. You can't throw a rock without hitting a car with a W sticker on it. And I want to throw that rock alot. I just sent her an email to inform her of her ignorance and if she had any facts to back them up. I believe I will not be receiving a email back.

[flimsy]

44. re: Some Gay Couples Adopt to Molest, State Rep Says(TN Repub)

Oh I forgot. Here's her email address: [e-mail]

[Strathos]

51. My letter to her

I can not tell you how horrible your words were about homosexuals. Ms. Maggart, who are you to judge? How can you possible sit there, a divorced woman, and preach about what is right and wrong? I guess I’ll have to work extra hard, but I’ll do my best to make sure you are NOT reelected. We need fair and unbiased people representing us in this great state of Tennessee, and I for one will not tolerate such bigoted and homophobic rhetoric from one who is supposed to represent me in this state.



I want to see your studies. I want to know where you get your facts from. Please, back up what you are saying with printed data, and not just YOUR theories.



You fall into the category of “X-tian” for me, you know those people that call themselves “Christians” but have forgotten the CHRIST part of that word.





You’re shameful Ms. Maggart, and I hope that you’ll not have much longer in office to spread your hatred and bigotry.

[Lautremont]

78. I don't think you should use her divorce as a stepping stone to

the moral high ground. There's nothing inherently wrong with being divorced. Remember, you're trying to be better than her, not use the same devices she would.

I suggest a rewrite, but keep the outraged spirit in there - perfect.

[Strathos]

98. I think the divorce card is viable only because she is

trying to take a moral high ground and if you're living by the Bible, there is a LOT wrong with divorce.

Now, I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it's not a habitual thing. However, maybe people should try living together or not having kids until they know they'll get along and deal with what comes along.

[bunkerbuster1]

135. You were 100% right to play the "divorce" card.

They fight dirty. We can't be afraid to fight dirty as well. Politics ain't beanbag.

[Strathos]

146. Thank you! I agree 100%

PEACE!!!!

[movonne]

42. Some straight people adopt to molest too..

[Strathos]

43. This woman is living in my town

I am outraged. I just heard about this and I promise I'll do everything I can to get this woman voted OUT of her office.

I hope I don't see her on the street or she'll get a good idea of what I think of her.

[flimsy]

45. Strathos

Please check response number 41 and 44.

[Strathos]

53. Thanks!!! eom

[flimsy]

54. Strathos

Thank you for writing her an email as well.

[Punkingal]

124. I'm living an hour away.....

Let's go downtown and picket her sorry ass when they are in session.

[Strathos]

125. Tell me when!!!

I'd gladly let it be known how awful I think she is.

[Punkingal]

127. How about Monday or Tuesday?

We need to go when they are in session, we need to round up some more people, we need to notify the media so we can get coverage and put her hate front and center. How about one day next week? I know the Lt. Governor's secretary, so I can find out if they are in session.

[Strathos]

138. That sounds cool

however, I'm not sure of my work schedule for next week, but if I'm off I'd gladly join in.

How could we get together a few hundred people?

It is the season of protest.

[Punkingal]

143. You can pick the day...

I am pretty much free until Friday of next week. We could post in the Tennessee state forum for one thing. And is there a Stonewall Democratic Club in Nashville? They would be happy to join a protest like that I'm sure.

[cosmicdot]

46. so, what happened to her family?

turn about seems fair play


this 'family values' advocate saying that "most homosexual couples have numerous emotional dysfunctions and psychological issues that may not be healthy for children" ...

is apparently divorced ... and, I suppose, allegedly heterosexual ...

glass house meet stone throwing

Rep. Maggart went on to write ... that she had seen “evidence” that homosexuals could not maintain a stable relationship, and that gay couples often sought young men to adopt for, apparently, “unfretted access to subject them to a life of molestation and sexual abuse.”

She wrote ... “Some of the evidence we were presented showed that lesbian and gay couples have a higher rate of breaking up than heterosexual coupes as well as higher rates of promiscuity outside of their relationships.”


http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/archives/2006/03/unfit_politician.html
http://www.outandaboutnewspaper.com/news/news06mar02.htm
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/03/lawmaker-r-says-gays-unfit-to-parent.html

the email exchange between Maggart and Sara Dykstra, Master's student in Special Education
Peabody College, Vanderbilt University
http://www.outandaboutnewspaper.com/news/news06mar02a.htm



this is normal?? heaven knows what she (and Frist) told these young people
http://www.debramaggart.com/ContentPage.aspx?WebPageId=2324&GroupId=648


http://www.debramaggart.com/ContentPage.aspx?WebPageId=2471&GroupId=648

I take it that's her former husband to her left ... who's the young lad?? Her website identified just about everyone else.

from Pam's House Blend:

"What was the "evidence"? Lo and behold, it looks like one of Daddy Dobson's people stepped up to the plate with "facts."

Rep. Maggart said "the State Director, Hedy Weinburg of the ACLU and a representative from Focus on the Family," presented information at that study committee.
http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2006/03/whos-dysfunctional.html


Maggart's fame has spread outside the TN borders. Bloggers are ripping Maggart ... apart. I think that means the homophobe will get some letters. Wayne Besen has, Shocking Screed By Redneck Rep.; Pam's House Blend has, Who's Dysfucntional?; Pandagon has, Dysfunction in Tennessee and Tiny Cat Pants has, Okay, Tennessee, Listen Up.


How ironic it would be if her husband is Gay.


Pam's House blend links to related news

Dem senators take heat in closed-door session with gay leaders

Thursday, March 23, 2006

"One of our concerns as a group is that they don't necessarily hear enough back from the community on how we hear and perceive the sometimes tortured and hair-splitting positions they try to take. We are tired of being seen as the embarrassment to the party."
-- Lambda Legal's Kevin Cathcart, summing up the whole problem with these clueless, butt-covering, spineless Dems at the national level.

Amen, brother. The meeting wasn't open to the public, but information is trickling out about what went on when the following senators met with gay leaders, according to an article in the Washington Blade ~snip~

snip from the Blade article:

"The meeting also follows complaints by gay Democratic activists that Dean, as Democratic Party chair, abolished the party's gay and lesbian outreach desk as part of a party reorganization that eliminated all constituency "desks."

Dean's decision to eliminate the gay desk, along with his statements claiming the party opposes gay marriage, prompted New York gay Democratic activist Jeff Soref to resign last year from his position as chair of the Democratic Party's Gay & Lesbian Americans Caucus. ~snip~

[951-Riverside]

48. Heteros adopt children to rape, starve, physically abuse, etc

When I used to temp for a foster parent service alot of the kids that came in appeared to be undernourished, scared, you name it. I don't understand why Ms. Debra "Bigot" of "Homophobiaville" is targeting gay people perhaps she isnt getting any. :rofl:

[MGKrebs]

56. Oh. My. God.

I thought we had seen the worst of it here in Georgia.

Sue Burmeister:
"Burmeister, the chief sponsor of Georgia's voter ID bill, told the (Justice)department that if black people in her district "are not paid to vote, they don't go to the polls," and that if fewer black people vote as a result of the new law, it's only because it would end such voting fraud."

Nancy Shaefer:
"...all those abortions have caused a shortage of cheap labor. "We could have used those people," she said.

Do we have enough of a data set to generalize about Southern Republican, fundamentalist women yet? I don't much like profiling, but fer' cryin' out loud, if I see a big haired woman with cheap clothes and a cross around her neck coming anywhere near me here in Atlanta, I'm crossin' the street. They are vicious!

[Strathos]

57. When is she up for re-election?

I have to know so I can start a smear campaign. LOL

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

60. As do more than a few "straights"

But you're not supposed to think about THAT

[Vinca]

61. This woman is so stupid it boggles the mind.

What about that nice hetero couple who kept their kids in cages? How about the pair who decided it was a bad idea to feed the kids? I do not understand how an idiot of this caliber actually manages to get elected to anything.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

62. I'd wager there are about as many gay couples who do this

as there are hetero couples.

And I'll bet there are even more children whose birth parents abuse them.

Ms Maggot needs to get her mind out of the gutter.

[Realityhack]

63. You forgot to specify...

by percentage. But we all know what you mean.

I wouldn't be supprised if it was a lower percentage for gay couples though if just because they likely face a bit more scruteny than strait couples (for no reason).

[GoddessOfGuinness]

72. I have no idea what percentage, but I suspect you're right...

And given the fact that gay couples are more highly scrutinized, it stands to reason that there are probably even fewer adopting gay couples who would abuse their children than straight couples who abuse theirs.

[Realityhack]

90. Yep. See the stuff I found further down the thread.

And the stats I have seen so far are for gay parrents adoptive or not.

[Initech]

64. Wow, let's go through the idiot republicans greatest hits regarding this:

John Cornyn (R - stupid idiot) - compared homosexuality to a guy having sex with a turtle.

Rick Santorum (R - etarded) - compared homosexuality actually using the phrase "man on dog sex".

James Dobson (R - fundie nutcase) - once said that the homosexual agenda was being forced on children by saying that a fictional cartoon character is gay

Jerry Falwell (R - idiot) - no explanation needed

Fred Phelps (R - closet case) - thinks god is punishing America for "harboring homosexuals".

Pat Robertson (R - fundie nutcase) - no explanation needed

And now we add Debra Maggart who compared homosexuality with child molesting! Wow, and people still buy this crap? How stupid are they?

[sweetpotato]

69. Please somebody, explain

How do they make the jump from homosexuality to bestiality???

In what universe does that follow?

What is their, dare I say, reasoning?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

74. Probably their private fantasies

of which they are ashamed...so they bash gays.

[Initech]

80. Short answer: they have no reasoning.

In fact, reasoning has escaped them to the point where they dont even use facts to back up their asinine comparisons.

[Realityhack]

93. 2 answers.

1) Many of them are absolutely clueless and beleive anythign the right person says. This is the republican base. They think everything they see as sexualy devant (well actualy everythign they see as bad in any way) must be connected. Same logic as god punishing us for harboring the gays or whatever. In other words no logic. This group may not even be capeable of logic if they were ever to stop chosing to be willfuly ignornat. I doubt we will ever know.
2) They don't beleive it for a second but correctly reason that it will get group number 1 all rialed up. Eventualy lieing for a living takes its toll and these people tend to end up beleiving their own bullshit and moving from here into catagory 1.

By the way... People beleive in space aliens, think you can't be moral without being religious, say evolution is the root of all evil, think people are out to poison their kids on holloween, actualy beleive its a GOOD idea to help along the apocalipse, beleive in the apocolypse, vote for chimpy, etc. This should be proof enough that reasoning is not a strong human trait and you should stop looking for it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

67. Say, Maggot, how do you feel about catholic priests?

sorry, Maggart. my bad.

[MrSlayer]

68. I hate the way they always equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

It's fucking disgusting and absolutely untrue. What a horrible thing to say.

[TrogL]

70. I live a homophobic Province

that has a local newspaper (the Sun) that loves juicy, homophobic headlines.

If this kind of thing were happening (and yes, the do allow gay adoption here) it would be front page news in 4 cm high letters.

Nothing.

[LostinVA]

79. Exactly what I said up thread -- it would eb plastered all over every medi

outlet for the next six months...

[superconnected]

71. how can harris be a physician by day and gay parent by night.

I thought adoptive parents were parents 24/7.

Can't that representative be sued for her comments.

She should have to prove statistics and back them up.

[arwalden]

73. What A Sick Bitch! Vile! Beneath Contempt.

[Catfight]

75. Just another ignorant homophobic hate monger. Nothing new. nt

[Catfight]

76. Seems to me the real predator's are military personnel at Abu Garib. nt

[Chi-Town Exile]

77. Isn't it interesting that our "Liberal" press doesn't find

something about these claims by "Christian" legislators deviant? Let's face it, the Christian Taliban are the deviates!!!!!

Screw you, bitch. :puke:

[Notoverit]

82. Finally! A chance to use the Molly Ivins quote:

"Right after the vote, the two men who had sponsored it shook hands. By doing so, they broke the law they had just passed that made it a crime for a prick to touch an asshole."

(on Texas legislators signing the homophobe bill)

[stepnw1f]

84. But More are Supposedly Heterosexual

Interestingly enough, hetero or homo is irrelevant.

[Realityhack]

85. Some stuff I found...

Ok I admit I used google. Now on to the interesting stuff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=102&topic_id=2193586&mesg_id=2193586
"Myth: Lesbians and gay men are more likely to molest children.

Fact: There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. All of the legitimate scientific evidence shows that. Sexual orientation, whether heterosexual or homosexual, is an adult sexual attraction to others. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is an adult sexual attraction to children. Ninety percent of child abuse is committed by heterosexual men. In one study of 269 cases of child sexual abuse, only two offenders were gay or lesbian. Of the cases studied involving molestation of a boy by a man, 74 percent of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boy's mother or another female relative. The study concluded that "a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."10 " - ACLU link above.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/TalkingPointsonParenting.pdf

Top of page 2. Similar statement also refrenced.

[CatholicEdHead]

86. Also see this link

http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm

[Realityhack]

89. Thanks.

Seems like my first instinct that they may actualy have a lowwer rate of pedofeilia may actualy be correct.

[Maat]

114. This is absolutely consistent with my experience as a social worker.

Well-written, credible paragraph above.

[Megahurtz]

87. As if Straight Guys Don't Molest.

:eyes:

[Robb]

94. Bingo

Ask any cop or investigator. Gay couples are not the problem.

[sakabatou]

88. Hey Debra!

Straight couples do that too, you fucking bigot.

[ldf]

91. and it is common knowledge that mothers should NEVER

let the father change the diaper of, or bathe, a small infant, be it male or female.

males can NOT resist the perverted urge to sexually molest small babies.

EVERYONE knows that.

just like EVERYONE knows that mothers must never breast feed because they get all sexually aroused and can't help but molest the small infant.

NO ONE should be allowed near the infant. it is much better that it wallows in it's own waste, rather than be molested by the parent, WHICH IS INEVITABLE.

dripping with :sarcasm:

[Qanisqineq]

99. hmmm, and this isn't possible with heterosexuals?

I remember seeing on Oprah the case of a young girl adopted from Russia by an American male. He then raped her for years. If I remember correctly, it wasn't the first young girl he had adopted to use as his personal sex slave.

[Tight_rope]

105. Ignorance is a disease and this Maggart has a severe case of it.

[Beausoir]

107. I am continually shocked at the ignorance about adoption here on DU.

I just can not believe how many people here are so ill-informed about the adoption process.

[DarkTirade]

108. Every bit of evidence I've seen points to the fact that

heterosexuals molest adopted children far too often. Maybe we should stop them from adopting too. Y'know, just to be safe.

[yellowcanine]

109. Someone needs to wash Debra's mouth out with soap. Is it possible

to have a class action libel suit? She should be forced to back up her bullshit conjecture with some facts or pay damages.

[lala_rawraw]

110. Someone should check into her family and see if kids are being abused

[Maat]

115. Actually, that might not be a bad idea ... (n/t).

[SLCPUNK]

116. What an

asshole!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

119. What bothers me is that she's an elected official

What the hell's wrong with people? How can you be THAT stupid and have not one clue about it?

[allisonthegreat]

121. that's the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...more lies..n/t

[LibertyLover]

126. It has been said

that people get the representatives that they deserve, but after reading this story, I'm not sure that even her constituents deserve Rep. Maggert. As, albeit, a straight, married adoptive parent, but with friends who are gay and adoptive parents, all I can say is that if Rep. Maggert removes her cranium from her rectum she'll find the view a lot more rewarding.

[MissMillie]

128. and of course straight people never do this...

Good god! How much lower can these people stoop?

[LeftHander]

131. Debra Maggart -Sumner County Tennessee

Maggarts Statement about herself from her website:

Dear Friends:

As residents of Sumner County, the challenges we face are bigger than ever, which means the need to place a strong, effective and experienced leader in the Statehouse has never been greater. That’s why I chose to seek the Republican nomination for State Representative of the 45th District.

As your State Representative, I will support strong schools, fight for better roads, rally for lower taxes and work to create an environment where business can flourish. Most important, I will do my best to preserve the outstanding quality of life we enjoy in our beautiful corner of Middle Tennessee, along with the conservative values that promote close-knit families and vibrant communities.

I appreciate your confidence in electing me and enabling me to use my 20 years of success as a Republican Party leader, as well as my experiences as a business owner, parent, churchgoer, community leader and conservative advocate to work for you.


It doesn't take much to read into what she means by "preserve the outstanding quality of life" when you look ast the statistics for Sumner County:

Sumner County

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47/47165.html

White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 91.5%.
Median household income, 1999 $46,030

SImply put when statements like the one in bold above are coming from a wealthy, white Republican, who makes statements as she has about Gay people and dictating what rights people can and cannot have it is very clear what her agenda is. It is time to attack these people and force them to admit what thier values really dictate. it is about discrimination. It is about bigotry and selfishness.


My Letter to her:

"We also have seen evidence that homosexual couples
prey on young males and have, in some instances,
adopted them in order to have unfretted access to
subject them to a life of molestation and sexual
abuse"

Just what kind of world do you live in? Your basis for
denying HUMAN BEINGS the right to parent a child in a
loving home is outrageously flawed.

As if you think think that being gay predisposes one
to be molest children. If that is the case then
statistically you should also ban heterosexual
couples from adopting becasue they too have been known
to molest and abuse children.

Who is filling your head full of this tripe? I suggest
you tell the truth to your constituents during your
next re-election. Tell them yes you are for low taxes
and good roads, but you are also for openly
discriminating against people who do not share the
same sexual orientation as you. While you are on that
road too add they you can also discriminate against people with
different skin colors. Add them to your list of those who are
"less than human". Tell the truth about what values
you really hold.

You simply don't like gay people, you con't trust
them and you probably don't really care for anybody
that doesn't share your narrow view of the world as
seen from your obvious fundementalist background.

Tell the whole truth and stop hiding behind the
"conservative" ethic. You are morally repulsed by gay
people and want to hurt them in any way you can.

With Sumner County being 91.0% White it is quite clear
what you mean by the "preservation of our quality of
life" found in your website. You will do all that you
can do to maintain your white, straight, christian way
of life by openly discriminating against people you
find objectionable.

That is your agenda.

[Ben Ceremos]

134. So why can't someone file a class-action

lawsuit for defamation and slander? I would hazard a guess that she has crossed the line and is legally liable for her comments. Any lawyers want to research this? Shit I'd put up money to get it started. Southern Law Center (?) sued the Klan and got their property taken away. Seems this bimbo has just slandered most of the people I know stateside.

[Robeson]

139. I'm not surprised at all....

...Hendersonville is full of right-wing fundies. She sounds like a lot of people I've met from that town.

[boilinmad]

158. Close-knit families????????

Tennesse is number 48 out of the 50 states with the highest divorce rate..........................do a simple google search and see!!!!!!

[LeftHander]

133. Find the gays on Maggarts Website...

http://www.debramaggart.com/ContentPage.aspx?WebPageId=6337&GroupId=648



Nope. I bet no openly gay people in this group of campaign supporters....no black people either.



there is Dick...she is touching him with the back of her hand and Dick popped one!



Condi! Maggart is so submissive here....Condi is dom right?

I love how she slups into pictures....

[Hosnon]

136. Ok - I'll take that assertion as true. But I recently saw a 20/20 style

program about a man who adopted a little Russian girl solely to molest her and trade her picture with others on the internet.

It's a "I like sex with kids" issue not a "I'm gay" issue.

[northzax]

140. yeah, probably

but not as many as the 'straight' people who might adopt children to molest. what percentage of pedophiles are out-of-the-closet gay men again? oh right, almost zero.

[geniph]

141. "Unfretted"? No place to put your fingers?

Methinks said homophobic ignorant bigot is also illiterate. I rather suspect the dimwit meant "unfettered." Either way, she's a maroon.

[Name removed]

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[truthisfreedom]

144. stepfathers are a classic case as well so remarriage should be illegal.

let's just make it illegal for men to be near children, why don't we?

[BlueInPhilly]

145. Actually, I thought she looked like Martina Navratilova

in that first pic with her glasses on. :eyes:

[niallmac]

151. Delete

.

[niallmac]

152. I think America has a resource of unadulterated 'stupid'

that needs to be harnessed. It seems to be a singularly
high grade volatile sort of goo that has no end.

[Zorra]

153. Newsflash: A disturbing number of republicans are child molesters.

STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
(more)
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

Should republican elected officials be allowed to adopt children? There is a great deal of evidence that pedophiles gravitate toward the republican party.

More:

http://robertlindsay.blogspot.com/2005/09/sick-evil-republicans-are-child.html

[LynnTheDem]

154. So do some straight couples; MORE so than gay couples.

Better prevent straight couples from adopting!!!

[Beware the Beast Man]

155. Yeah, well so do "some" straight couples.

:eyes:

What a horrible person.

[Minnesota Libra]

156. OMFG, that is just plain sick, MY RANT..........

....Sorry folks but I'm on a :rant: right now so bear with me.

Who in the crap are these idiots that are going to deny these kids a decent loving home? The only thing with these idiots is they are the ones who are sick in the head NOT the gay parents!! OMG, give me a dam break even.:rant:

While I'm not gay myself I've known two gay couples and both couples had at least two kids each. Believe those kids were loved and catered to. Anything those kids even thought of needing the parents had provided like last week and in abundance too. The kids were provided all the male and female influence in their lives that any kid could possibly need or want. Most of all, the kids I knew from these two gay couples were some of the most loving, understanding, and accepting kids I've ever known.

I should know, I have a disability that makes walking very hard at times and always a very slow painful ordeal. The kids of these two gay couples NEVER ONCE said anything out of the way or even as much as gave me a weird look, or even the slightest attitude about my walking. If anything those kids went out of their way to make life just a little easier on me.

So I'll be dammed if I will ever set by and watch while gay parents are defamed or put down in any way. Believe, we heterosexual parents could learn a thing or two from gay parents about how to raise loving well-adjusted kids.:rant:

OK, mods if I stepped the line here then delete this but at least I got that little :rant: out of my system.

[boilinmad]

157. You also got the spelling of her name wrong........

......Its M.A.G.G.O.T..........

[Tight_rope]

159. Kick for Ignorance...It's a bad disease that we need to cure!

:kick:

[GregW]

160. Of course they do, that's why there's "Masha's Law"

http://adoption.about.com/b/a/229267.htm

Oh wait - that was a HETEROSEXUAL pedophile. Oopsie - my bad. :eyes:

[Dragonbreathp9d]

161. Jesus Lord In Heaven

please strike these people down