Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant

[rsmith6621]

By PAUL GARWOOD, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

"The infant, who was identified only as Nazia, was in critical condition following the two-hour operation at The Children's Hospital at Pakistan Institute of Medical Science in the capital, Islamabad, said Zaheer Abbasi, head of pediatric surgery at the hospital.Abbasi, the chief doctor who led the operation, said the case was the first he was aware of in Pakistan of fetus-in-fetu, where a fetus has grown inside another in the womb."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_he_me/pakistan_fetus_in_baby

[BlueInPhilly]

1. They removed the Feti from the fetus?

:rofl: Okay, not funny. Abortion on a fetus is still against the law, right?

[whatelseisnew]

4. Only for humans, this human/Tribble hybrid is not covered under the law

soon these franken babies will overwhelm the world

[baby_mouse]

46. OH MAH JEEZY LORDU!

THAT GURDAM LURBLE DACTR ABRTIFIED A LIL BUUUUAYBUUAY....

[peacebird]

2. oh the horror - barely out of the uterus and already a slut

pregnant without benefit of marriage and having an abortion.... :sarcasm:

:eyes:

sorry - just reading it like a good freeper would....

[Fridays Child]

10. WWSDD?

What would South Dakota do? Let the baby die, of course.

[CatholicEdHead]

15. That is actually what also first crossed my mind

after reading the story.

[greekspeak]

19. Bwahahaha...trollop babies...but the feti sacred nonetheless

The whore baby's life shouldn't matter. It is imperative that every fetus--even those inside slutty newborns--be saved. They have the potential for life. Did they even show the skanky little busybritches a film on abortion before they executed those precious feti? :eyes: As my gramma used to say, "This world, and then another."

[Megahurtz]

27. ROFL!!!

:rofl:

[Lisa]

28. another argument for starting sex ed in the schools, as early as possible!

Maybe include Dr. Ruth in those "in-utero learning" cassette tapes that you're supposed to play to the fetus?

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Shades of *Darwin's Radio*

--p!

[geniph]

51. That was the first thing I thought of, too

of course, the second one was Conjoined Fetus Woman on South Park, which might be the grossest episode they ever had...

[NC_Nurse]

5. Proof that shit happens...

fetuses aren't always in the right place at the right time.

Where's all the "culture of lifers" picketing the hospital for this one?

[uppityperson]

Weird. Question here...

actually, never mind. It was snarky and nasty and never mind. Very odd thing to have happened, sort of like twinning (tripleting), sort of like (oh crap what is the pc term?) co-joined, but not quite either.

[rocktivity]

21. You're closer to being right than you think, Uppityperson

Mulitple births are caused by the fertilized egg splitting into two or more. Cojoined twins form if the split isn't perfect. If the split is complete, but one egg develops while the other doesn't, the non-developing egg (two eggs, in this case), is absorbed by the developing one and the result is fetus in fetu.

With fraternal twins (two different eggs fertilized by two different sperm), you can end up with chimeraism if the cells fuse together before developing. You get a single birth, but you have more than one set of DNA. I saw a TV show about woman nearly lost custody of her children because her DNA didn't show that she was the biological mother. Her hospital came to her defense (after all, this would have reflected badly on them, too) with video and footprint evidence. She turned out to be a chimera, and her children had inherited her extra set of DNA.

:headbang:
rocknation

[anotherdrew]

35. is this different than vanishing twin syndrome?

odd that the extra two twins made their way to the fetus area of the fully developed twin.

[rocktivity]

42. Vanishing twin syndrome? That's a new one on me!

With ultrasound, it is now possible to know as early as five or six weeks that you are pregnant. However, with these first trimester, early ultrasounds an interesting side effect has occurred. The early ultrasound confirms two or more fetuses and a subsequent ultrasound reveals the 'disappearance' of at least one of the fetuses and an empty sac may be visible. This 'disappearance' is called Vanishing Twin.

Wow! So there's a THIRD WAY!
link

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

6. Perhaps they didn't want to complicate things with a

second virgin birth? :shrug:

[xxqqqzme]

53. exactly the first thought I had!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

7. Gee, how would fundies resolve a fetus-in-fetu dilemma?

Which fetus has MORE rights in their mind?

[Ilsa]

31. Only the one that hasn't been born has rights. nt.

[Coastie for Truth]

8. At various stages

this is the result of the same "mis-signalling" that gives rise to cojoined twins and to a whole catalogue of cancers.

[TAPat]

9. So, what's this I keep hearing about

intelligent design? :)

[Ian David]

18. It's ID (Incompetent Design)

An interview with Don Wise, creator of "incompetent design"
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2005/11/the_other_id.php

[jljamison]

25. I can disprove ID

any parent knows that any self respecting intelligent designer would not design a parent with less than 3 arms, on of which not less than 10 feet long. So there.

[Lisa]

32. don't forget "eyes in the back of the head"

Or ones which can swivel around at all angles, like a chameleon's. Although I suspect that some people already have these in a latent form, and pregnancy hormones activate them. This is the only explanation for what happened last week -- I had dropped by to visit my friend, and while she was at the sink washing dishes, she suddenly spun around and ran over to the couch at the other end of her living room ... just in time to stop her 2-year-old from urinating all over the cushions. The child hadn't uttered anything that I recall hearing, yet she just KNEW what was about to happen. Eerie.

[rocktivity]

48. Mothers also develop a "third ear"

which can tell the difference between a child being quiet and a child being TOO quiet--always a sign that they're doing something they shouldn't.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ilsa]

33. That goes for nurse design and breastfeeding mother design as well. nt

[theHandpuppet]

11. Good thing this child wasn't delivered in South Dakota

No doubt they would have insisted the fetus carry the others to term.

[LisaL]

36. The other fetuses are dead.

One can not carry them to term.
They are like tumors.

[theHandpuppet]

45. I was being sarcastic, lizzy

I know the biology.

[KamaAina]

12. So where's Operation "Rescue"?

:sarcasm:

"Hey, baby, don't kill your baby!" :puke:

Oh, right, Pakistani fetuses don't count. "White or male or male or white/Either way it's quite all right/Jesus loves all the white male fetuses in the world!"

[MadMaddie]

13. I saw a show on the Medical channel..

Where there are cases of people who at the early stage of the egg were actually twins but somehow the eggs merged and the person who lived actually had two sets of cells in their own body...the uterus might have one set of cells and the liver might have another set of cells....mothers blood tests didn't match their children and the courts thought the kids were kidnapped....it's amazing....

[lumpy]

50. This anomaly (?) is not unprecedented.

Had a similar presentation on TLC channel.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. She's my sister, she's my daughter, She's my twin...

[Blaze Diem]

17. That's so sick its (kinda) funny..

Hey a person can't go around being sad all the time..Bush has made us grasp for whatever humor we can get..

"She's my sister, she's my daughter, She's my twin..."

umm..I'll take all of the above for a hundred, Alex..

[LibertyLover]

49. Oh the good old Isaac Asimov song

Clone, clone of my own.

[Spinzonner]

30. Forget it, Jake

[patdem]

16. Good thing this infant was NOT born in S. Dakota..or it would have been

FORCED to carry the fetuses (feti) to term! Not even the health of the mother...bla bla bla

[LisaL]

37. Again, you can't carry them to term. They are DEAD. DEAD as

a doorknob.

[pecwae]

20. Rather like my teratoma

It's a collection of hair and other matter from what could have been another fetus, I'd never heard of it or knew I had it until I had a CT scan of my chest for another reason and there the thing was next to my heart.

[whatelseisnew]

22. k&r

[geomon666]

23. Did they just kill Jesus?

Doesn't get more virgin birth than that.

[yurbud]

24. arghh! No pics of removed fetee

[Ilsa]

34. Yeah, but once Randall Terry gets them, they'll be all over

some new protest posters!

[HockeyMom]

26. Do a DNA test

Sounds more like a twin of the fetus.

[Megahurtz]

29. "It's Murder, Murder I tell You!!!"

"They're Murdering Babies"!!!:sarcasm:

(What Fundies will say when they hear about this):eyes:

[LisaL]

38. You can't murder something that is dead already.

The fetuses were dead. They died and were like tumors on that poor child.
WTF does it have to do with babies?

[Hekate]

47. Lizzy, dear, they all know this.They're just riffing off the fundy nuts...

The ultra-fundy wingnuts are driving us all crazy with their fetal idolotry. The folks in this thread are just messing around -- really.

Actually I find this case fascinating in a horrible way. When I was a litle kid I used to spend hours looking at an old college textbook of my mom's called Human Embryology, which had innumerable black and white photos of every possible kind of unfortunate ever born or miscarried. The fake Bat Boy photos in National Enquirer had nothing on this book. There was a woman in South America who married a man born without hands or feet, just shortened pointy limbs. They went on to have 8 children, all of them like their father. You can tell this impressed me deeply.

So while I wouldn't personally carry the joking quite as far as some in this thread (after all, it is a real baby with a real birth defect who just had some serious surgery), I do understand both the morbid fascination and the political need to let off some totally non-PC steam in the direction of the fetal idolators.

Hekate

[rodeodance]

39. "about 1 per 500,000 births"

"It is extremely rare to have two fetuses being discovered inside another," Abbasi told The Associated Press, adding that he did not know what caused the medical abnormality. "Basically, it's a case of triplets, but two of the siblings grew in the other."

The baby comes from Abbotabad, about 30 miles north of Islamabad. She is the fifth child of a woman in her 30s, who was at the hospital to be with her daughter. Her father works in the Arabian Gulf.

Abbasi said surgeons removed the two partially grown fetuses, totaling about two pounds, that had died at about 4 months.

Other fetus-in-fetu cases have been reported elsewhere in the world. A report in a June 2000 issue of the U.S. journal Pediatrics called such occurrences rare and estimated their rate at about 1 per 500,000 births.

[MiniMe]

40. Immaculate conception

I'm sure the fundies would make the girl a saint

[IndianaGreen]

41. but, but, GAWD doesn't make mistakes!

Obviously this infant is a demonic deception... to the funeral pyre!

[ninkasi]

43. I will be forever grateful

That my cousins, fraternal twins, a boy and a girl...were born before all of this fundie lunacy started. They each weighed a bit over 8 lbs. at birth. I have never seen a woman more obviously pregnant than my aunt when she was carrying them. Now, over 50 years later, they are each healthy, and parents of children of their own.

[Pachamama]

44. Whoa! Two mos old & already had two abortions!

The fundies are going crazy!

On a serious note, I will say that I found this story fascinating on a lot of levels medically...I am also glad that this little girl Nazia looks like she will survive the surgery and live a healthy life. It didn't say anything about where the feti were located in her body, but hopefully she didn't sustain any damage to her own reproductive future or any other organ function. Its amazing she survived...

[happydreams]

52. Glad it didn't happen in South Dakota> would the governor

stay the fetus with the fetus's execution?

[XemaSab]

54. Wasn't that the plot of one of the Omen movies?

:shrug: