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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:14 PM
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WP/AP: Libby Says Prosecutor (Fitzgerald) Trying to Keep Post
Libby Says Prosecutor Trying to Keep Post
By PETE YOST
The Associated Press
Friday, March 31, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is narrowing the description of his powers in an effort to counter calls for dismissal of the criminal case he brought against Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, defense lawyers said Friday.

In a 24-page filing in federal court, the legal team for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said Fitzgerald and the former Justice Department official who appointed him, James Comey, are changing the broad mandate the prosecutor was handed to probe the leak in the Valerie Plame affair.

Libby is under indictment on five counts of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI about how he learned of Plame's CIA identity and what he told reporters about her. Plame's CIA status was exposed on July 14, 2003, by conservative columnist Robert Novak, eight days after Plame's husband accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat from weapons of mass destruction.

The defense attorneys say assignment of unsupervised and undirected power to Fitzgerald requires that he be relieved of his duties in the investigation and that all actions he has taken be voided.

Fitzgerald's appointment violates federal law, the defense attorneys say, because his investigation was not supervised by the attorney general. They say only Congress can approve such an arrangement....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/31/AR2006033101624.html
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:20 PM
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1. Should be interesting to see how this turns out.
IMO, libby is pissing in the wind.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:51 PM
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3. Fitzgerald has already granted them a concession
by voluntarily limiting his power. I hope this means he has a strong enough case for perjury and obstruction not to need expanded powers.

We'll see, I suppose.

Wonder what the waterman thinks?



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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:43 AM
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6. Was Thinking the Same Thing
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 12:44 AM by AuntiBush
Where is H2O Man?

And, notice how nothing is ever mentioned of Fitz and his case on any of the faux msn tube news.

Holding on to hope, but its hard.

Edited: Can't type on the laptop!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:55 AM
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11. My guess
is sleeping if he has any sense.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:26 AM
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15. Hoping
you're closer to the truth. Nowadays, who the heck knows. Thank you for FYI.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:11 AM
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22. Screw "hoping" (no offense intended) PELT the damm Media!
This is Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald.

If DU can send RoSes to Helen, we can damm well stand up for Fitz. He is in there on the front line being dragged away by the enemy and WE HAVE TO THUNDER OUT ABOUT THIS.

NO to Bushit in all it's forms and YES to Fitzgerald's consistent committment to the truth and a fair and impartial trial for assholes that have so offended the American people that in a previous age they would have worn a tar and feather suit out on a rail on the way out of town.

NO! NO! NO to persecuting the prosecutor in order to avoid the facts!


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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:23 AM
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17. this is pretty customary...
just getting reported rather than the other blue collar crimes you don't really hear about.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:34 PM
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33. I wouldn't think Fitz needs more power to bust this bunch of idiots.
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 12:37 PM by Rex
IMO he is defining the scope of his powers, because he wants to go after bigger game down the road.

EDIT - I wouldn't worry about H20man, it is Saturday and he probably went out to enjoy the weekend. I know I'm about to. :)
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:47 PM
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2. Ken Starr's overreaching investigation of the Clintons is good precedent
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 11:49 PM by JudyM
Maybe it'll turn out to be good for something, after all.

:sarcasm:

... Different role, I know, but similar concept.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:53 AM
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10. That was my first reaction. n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:58 AM
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12. Excellent pont!
"Overreaching" is the very word to describe the man who SUCCEEDED in impeaching a president.

Who says we can't repeat his results using FACTS?
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:22 PM
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40. Folks are making the comparison w/Nixon. Same should be done w/ Starr.
Thanks!

:patriot:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:57 AM
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18. never thought there might be silver lining with Starr. but this very scary
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:37 AM
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28. can you imagine the ED that would set into the repugs
If they were to find out that the Starr case set a precedent allowing one of their own to be imprisoned and/or impeached, setting up a war crimes trial and ultimately execution because they could not keep their minds out of Clinton's pants.

Imagine the book burning that would take place by repugs of the Starr report, imagine the book buying of the Starr report by the Dems. It is just to much to think about.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:20 PM
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39. Glorious thoughts... ;->
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:20 PM
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38. Well hey, they turn everything we Dems do on its head, why don't we follow
suit? Not to become cynical, but if they establish an ugly precedent like that, we ought to be able to be less concerned about moving freely. We trim our own wings with far too great a frquency out of concern about being pushed back.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:07 PM
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42. Hey, that's a good point.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 05:37 PM
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46. Unfortunately, it's not.
According to the cited story: They say only Congress can approve such an arrangement....

Ken Starr's arrangement was approved by Congress.

My hope here is that Fitz' power can be redefined so that, if it doesn't currently conform to legal requirements, it does conform. And then he can continue.


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:55 PM
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4. If Ashcroft hadn't needed to recuse himself
maybe there wouldn't have been a problem?

Under the circumstances, Gonzalez should recuse himself too but somehow I don't think he has any intentions of doing such a thing.

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:32 AM
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5. This worries me.
Not what the defense says, but the actions taken by Comey & Fitzi.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:44 AM
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7. Same here...
bad feeling about it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:03 AM
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13. Sorry, what actions?
A strategic blunder of some sort?
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 11:09 AM
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31. I'm not H2O Man, but hopefully he'll check in here soon
>Not what the defense says, but the actions taken by Comey & Fitzi.<

The Water Man will figure this one out in a New York minute, that's for sure.

I think that Libby's attorneys are trying to bring reversible error into the picture. Of course, this is just my opinion.

In the meantime, another opinion: They're doing nothing but burning billable hours at this point. The letter written by James Comey to Patrick Fitzgerald essentially ensures that PF is able to do his job with interference from or oversight by nobody. Nobody. This means the President, this means Congress, this means Scooter Libby's defense team. They knew exactly what he'd be walking into.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/ag_memo_august_12_2005.pdf

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/ag_letter_feburary_06_2004.pdf

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/ag_letter_december_30_2003.pdf

Julie
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:02 PM
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48. My guess is that Comey and Fitz had to respond to the filing.
It sounds like they are saying Fitz' appointment is legit. Hopefully, they win the argument; or, at least the judge rules that Fitz' powers have to be redefined; but not that everything he's done is voided.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:50 AM
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8. well unfortunately the Attorney Gonzales is involved in the
case and Libby is charged with perjury... So if they try to take this case from Fitzgerald there will be an major uproar... this was the outing of a covert secret agent by people under the President and Vice president...

This would be Bush's worst nightmare...
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:09 PM
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43. still, the bushies will try to put this in Gonzo's hands. That's their
strategy, I'll bet.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:51 AM
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9. this sort of 'defence' only proves their guilt
and is pretty desperate too.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:18 AM
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14. That dog won't hunt....
Ashcroft recused himself from this case and Comey as acting Attorney General, delegated all powers of the Attorney General to Fitzgerald as Special Prosecutor to investigate this leak case and any criminal misdeeds that arise from the investigation, including perjury, etc.

Unless a specific code disallows such a delegation of authority, Fitzgerald has the entire authority of the Attorney General himself as regards this investigation.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've read speculation along the lines of the Libby's defense attorney's allegation and my understanding is the US Code does allow the Attorney General to delegate any or all of his powers, as he should chose, without any prior authorization by Congress.

But it's interesting how slanted this news article seems to be, with no one quoted beyond Libby's attorneys and no other experts questioned or quoted on the subject. Are Libby's attorneys now writing articles for the WaPost?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:44 AM
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16. well since Judy was outed
yep, it works better that way. Welcome to Du and thanks for the post Polemicist :hi:
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:15 AM
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23. Pelt the MEDIA. We HAVE to stand UP for Fitz.
This man has bent over backward to give these (&(^&%^*%^& a fair trial and the administration played musical AG's above him and he never faltered in doing his duty to the American People.

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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 07:50 AM
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26. Five million dollars can buy all sorts of help
http://www.scooterlibby.com/ - fund raising site for Scooter.

Answering your question:
But it's interesting how slanted this news article seems to be, with no one quoted beyond Libby's attorneys and no other experts questioned or quoted on the subject. Are Libby's attorneys now writing articles for the WaPost?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:35 PM
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34. I think you got it, Polemicist...
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 01:48 PM by Peace Patriot
"...it's interesting how slanted this news article seems to be..."

This is a form of swiftboating.

And with the lapdogs of the war profiteering corporate monopolies, it's easy to do. They are trying sideways damage to Fitzgerald's credibility, planting doubts in the newsstream about his authority, because what HE has against THEM is so damaging. These 'doubts' will be trotted out again and again. They don't have a case for it, although who knows what will fly with this Bush-appointed Supreme Court (and who knows what deals Bush's appointees made with regard to this and other Bush junta crimes). But I don't think Fitzgerald's authority is a legal case so much as it is a 'talking point.'

I want to know more about this supposed 'limit' to his authority that Fitzgerald supposedly asked for. It could be they are just making it up, or misconstruing something. You can't really know these days, with war profiteering corporate news monopoly 'reporting.' Wait and see on that.

But bear this in mind. The purpose of Bush junta propaganda is not to convince anybody of anything, but rather to create smooth scenarios and newsstream fantasies to explain foregone conclusions (for instance, Bush 'winning' the 2004 election*). Possibly the junta has decided to try a "Saturday Night Massacre" (i.e., Watergate--Nixon illegally firing one prosecutor after another), possibly via the Supreme Court this time (now filled with Bushites who have already agreed to this). So they want to start planting the seeds now, to make this seem reasonable when it happens.

There is simply no question that Patrick Fitzgerald is THE most dangerous man in the country to this junta--that we can perceive, anyway--and is the number one target of THE most ruthless and criminal cabal that has ever gained power in the United States. Can you imagine the pressure on this prosecutor? Nothing would surprise me, in this situation--good or bad. From all reports, Fitzgerald is one of the few people in this world who can withstand this kind of pressure. Everything about him points to steely resolve and utter brilliance as a legal strategist. But when you add up the crimes of the junta that we know about--not to mention the ones we only suspect--what is at stake for the junta, as to personal criminal liability, and the huge amounts of money and power involved, anything can happen. And we should be prepared for "anything."

One way to be prepared for "anything" is to NOT place the burden of restoring our democracy on this one prosecutor and this one case. Really, Fitzgerald cannot win our country back for us. All he can do is to expose the crimes that he can get evidence for, and try to get proper convictions. This can help us do the main task, but it can't achieve the main task, in and of itself. I believe that step one of restoring our democracy is, and must be, restoring TRANSPARENT elections, and that it is up to all of us--it is a collective task of "we, the people"--to get this done.

Our elections have been taken over by two Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, in an utterly fraudulent election system brought to us by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney. To get our country back, we must undo the fatal damage they have done to election transparency.

------------

*(You will notice how the "gay marriage" script was designed to provide an "explanation" of the 2004 elections results. "Immigration" is being used similarly this year as a pre-programmed "explanation" of the coming Diebolded '06 election results. But perhaps a more pertinent example--re: the Fitzgerald prosecution--is the WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate. It goes like this: The junta used phony evidence--the Niger forgeries, etc.--to set up an expectation that WMDs, specifically nukes, would be found in Iraq after the invasion. To make this prediction come true--and the scenario play out--they intended to PLANT nukes in Iraq, after they invaded, with the "evidence" to be 'found" by Judith Miller and the US military WMD team she was "embedded" with. But somebody--probably someone in the CIA's worldwide counter-proliferation project, headed by Plame--discovered the plot and foiled it. Outing not just Plame, but the entire CIA counter-proliferation project, 20 years in the making, was the COVER-UP, not the main crime. The theory has held up very well as more facts have come out. And it is also a good theoretical example of how the Bushites work the corporate newsstream. They don't intend to convince the majority of Americans of anything; they just want a credible-sounding lie or deceit to cover up their massive looting and other crimes. In the case of Fitzgerald's authority, this crap that AP just put out there, is probably intended to plant some credible-sounding 'doubts' either for some move against Fitzgerald they have planned, or to provide a corporate news monopoly 'talking point' (distraction) as other indictments come down.

(An important part of the WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate is the death of the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly four days after Plame was outed. Kelly was already whistleblowing to the BBC about the "sexed up" pre-war WMD intel. Plame was outed on July 14, 2003. Kelly was found dead (under highly suspicious circumstances) on July 18. His office and computers were searched. Four days later, on July 22, Plame's entire counter-proliferation network, headquartered at the Brewster-Jennings front company, was outed (also by Novak), putting all of its covert agents and contacts at great risk of getting killed. If Traitorgate includes the murder of David Kelly--or threats against him that drove him to suicide--the stakes are even higher for the Bush junta and for Fitzgerald.

(I suppose another good example of Bush junta newsstream manipulation is the original swiftboating itself--of John Kerry. With Bushites controlling the vote tabulation under the veil of "trade secret" programming in the new electronic voting machines, you have to wonder why the junta bothered to do some of the things they did during the 2004 election campaign. Part of the swiftboating motive was surely to lay out the foregone conclusion scenario--in combination with the "gay marriage" gambit, and a few other things (Rove or Cheney gabbling about their "invisible" voter registration campaign) (--no evidence for any special effort; the Dems blew the Repubs away, nearly 60/40, in new voter reg in 2004). But the other part may have been that the Diebold/ES&S percentage advantage to Bush had to be pre-programmed and was not so easy to change on election day. They weren't sure how much Kerry was going to win by. This may also be why they risked all the blatant, highly visible, illegal vote suppression in Ohio. So they had to solidify some base support (which has never been more than 30%, in my opinion), and hold onto the additional 10% that always waffles back and forth on Bush, on top of the 3% to 5% Diebold/ES&S tweak, on top of blatant vote suppression in selected states. The swiftboating was partly to secure the base-plus 10% (to plant 'doubts' about Kerry as a war hero--who looked so good next to cowardly Bush.) Diebold/ES&S, Kenneth Blackwell and Jeb Bush did the rest.)
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:19 PM
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44. very good analysis, PP, thanks. You're right WE have to take the country
back and not put all our hopes on Fitz. Transparent voting is one way and exposing both the "profiteering corporate news monopoly" & corrupt politicians in bed with their corporate puppeteers is another.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:06 AM
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19. "They say only Congress can approve such an arrangement..."
Oh, brother. So the * administration (through its agent Libby) is now complaining because someone allegedly sidestepped Congress??? What planet are they on? They are experts at sidestepping Congress. This is like a comedian complaining about being laughed at.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:22 AM
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24. "comedian complaining about being laughed at" You got that right.
Someone gave Fitz the tools to do his job. OMiGOD! This is a sheer case of Competence if I ever saw one. (Think Adams Family) The administration that did everything in its power to relegate Competence into the anals of history.... to make such a vulgar concept of "doing the job you are assigned to do with proper diligence and full disclosure of every step taken to achieve your objective" instead of "slacking off, taking bribes and blaming the DEMs and the liberal media for your low polls" like any real "party man" does. Oh the shame! Why can't Fitz be more like Brownie?

:puke:
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:50 AM
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25. Bwahahaha.....
:thumbsup: :rofl: I love your sarcasm....brillant!!!!!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:20 PM
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45. it's like O'Lielly complaining he got a phone call!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 05:17 AM
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20. sounds like Libby's lawyer is trying for
a Saturday night massacre ala Nixon

for those too young - Special Prosecutor Cox was leading the Watergate investigation, Nixon demanded that he be fired. So on a Saturday night several people resigned rather than firing Cox.

for more : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/102173-2.htm

fyi: Finally, the President turned to Solicitor General Robert H. Bork, who by law becomes acting Attorney General when the Attorney General and deputy attorney general are absent, and he carried out the President's order to fire Cox.

--yes this is the same Robert H. Bork who was not confirmed for Supreme Court under Reagan
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:03 AM
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21. Wait a minute. Didn't AG Gonzales recuse self? Conflict of Interest?
And then they put the assistant AG over him in an attempt to mess up his case. Now they who removed the AG from the picture are trying to use that against him?

Unfucking real.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 08:16 AM
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27. Not that I recall
Ashcroft did but I don't think Gonzalez has addressed the issue directly?

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 10:01 AM
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29. yes he did
He reitterated that point when he was on with Russert a few months back.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 10:43 AM
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30. Sure. A fed judge will tell DOJ there's not enough "supevision".
Defendant: "Your honor, no prosecutor can operate until and unless he proves that, aside from having the job description of being a prosecutor, that somebody is directing and supervising his efforts".

Judge: "Um. What do you mean by 'directing and supervising'? As far as I know, every USA that shows up in this courtroom is working withing the bounds of DOJ guidelines."

Defedant: "Well, but this is different, because we know that in fact the administration would rather see Mr. Fitzgerald dumped in the river with dumbbells strapped to his ankles than see this prosecution continue, because my client is basically pointing fingers at the VP. We've worked this to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the administration, and I think you can take judicial notice of that."

Judge: "Makes sense to me. I'm going to presume that this adminstration never wants the law followed if it is inconsistent with it's basest political tactics, and that any prosecutor bent on enforcing it is acting contrary to the president's unspoken wishes. Law dismissed, with extreme prejudice!"
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:18 PM
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32. Shit meet fan
Couple this article with the one today about housecleaning taking place at the WH.

Something tells me something big is getting ready to go down.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:07 PM
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35. According to Jason Leopold, the "big" that's coming down is indictments
of Rove or Hadley, or both. They are likely putting some swiftboat "talking points" in place, for that event. (He doesn't have the authority, blah, blah, blah...).

It's interesting to start reading the newsstream in this backwards, looping way, to predict what's going to happen--what they fear, or what diabolical scheme they are about to unfold--by the little turds they drop into stream, salting the stream for future manipulated conclusions.

I remember a real interesting one, just before the "election." Two days before, Cheney takes off for Hawaii, which some rightwing pollster has said was promising to turn "red" (Hawaii!). Cheney drops the newsturd that he's going to Hawaii to pump for votes (the SUNDAY before the election!). Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been salting the newsstream with frequent--and ultimately laughable--"terrorist alerts," one of them regarding a California grammer school.

I think this was Plan C. (Plan A = Diebold/ES&S. Plan B = Ohio.) Plan C was a "terrorist alert" shutdown of the vote on the west coast, possibly with a scenario of the V-P's plane under attack over the Pacific. But since Plans A & B worked out well enough, Plan C was scrapped.

:think:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:13 PM
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37. Thanks for posting this....
I had always wondered what in hell made Cheney go to Hawaii on the eve of the election. Your whole scenario makes sense - much more sense than, say, Bush winning fair & square. But lets not forget the crucial role of the "media" in Plans A & B - without their invaluable complicity, we Americans might still think that exit polling is a good way to help validate an election!

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 03:07 AM
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50. I haven't forgotten it. It was the worst journalistic crime I have ever
witnessed, bar none. (And I've lived a long life, through many a corporate news monopoly journalistic crime.)

A goddamned conspiracy, too. All of them--every goddamned corporate news monopoly and its subsidiary TV station in the country, acting in concert, through Edison-Mitofsky, shutting down the election reporting system with a phony computer "crash," and then putting FALSE NUMBERS on everybody's TV screens that night, to hide the truth from the American people.

It put me off them forever. I will never forgive it. Never.

This country rebelled against the Bush junta, and threw them out of our White House, and the corporate news monopolies killed that rebellion!

They also committed a related crime, prior to the election, by NEVER TELLING the American people WHO was 'counting' all their votes--rightwing Bush-nut corporations--and HOW they were 'counting' them--with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls, all designed by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney.

When we get our country back, I want to bust every goddamn one of these war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Bust them back to the Stone Age. Give them ham radios to broadcast with, and make them live in Uzbekistan.

Come back, America! Come back!



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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 03:24 AM
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51. "bust every goddamn one..."
We are on the same page. I watched it all that night in Nov. 2004, and when CNN put up the "revised" exit poll numbers on the web, I said, "They'll never get away with it!" I've been wrong before, and I was wrong then, but now I say, "Won't get fooled again!" :)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:08 PM
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36. and we should believe Libby why?
He opens his mouth, he lies.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:51 PM
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41. Hey guys do you think this has anything to do with Card's resignation
I wonder if Andrew Card is the next one in line to be coming to the Plamegate table compliments of Rove and Hadley... and Card is connected to BUSh... like Libby is to Cheney...

Whatcha guys think???
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 03:32 AM
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52. Yes, I think that Andrew Card is either singing to Fitzgerald, or he
is in Fitzgerald's sights as a perpetrator. Card was the one who formed the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) where the plot against Wilson and Plame was hatched. WHIG's purpose was to "sell" the Iraq war.

Actually, I suspect that the full (over-arching) plot against Plame/CIA was hatched in Rome in 2001, at the meeting of Michael Ladeen, Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, Italian intelligence and military heads, and other dirtbags--who were planning to move WMDs into Iraq after the invasion, to be "found" by Judith Miller, after they drew the CIA into a public position of "no nukes in Iraq" with the Niger forgeries. (WHY were they such easily detectable, "crude" forgeries?) The object was to thoroughly discredit the 'white hat' CIA (those doing their proper jobs), with the additional benefit, of course, of giving Bush/Blair an enormous political coup. I suspect that Plame and her extensive counter-proliferation network foiled them--discovered and stopped the movement of the illicit WMDs--and the "outing" was their punishment, and to silence them (some may well have been killed as a result of the "outing"). (And there may have been another death related to all this--that of the Brits' chief WMD expert David Kelly--who was whistleblowing to the BBC, and who was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, four days after Plame was outed.)

WHIG may have been given the task of "selling" the political story of Traitorgate--that the "outing" was done in a fit of political passion and revenge, to punish Joe Wilson. (And the members of WHIG may or may not have known that this was a cover story.)

As for the Fitzgerald prosecution, it is focused on the political story (a cover story, in the above theory), which is bad enough as it is--a conspiracy to out a CIA agent and her entire network for political revenge. At least a felony; possibly treason.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 05:41 PM
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47. His lawyers really did file that brief.
Now, does that mean that if their filing is correct, Libby is acquitted. I hope not. I hope the judge has options like seeing the Fitz' has the requisite supervisions and then allows the investigation and prosecution to continue.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:03 PM
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49. Here's the deal
>the Fitz' has the requisite supervisions and then allows the investigation and prosecution to continue.<

With the plenary powers granted to him by James Comey, Patrick Fitzgerald is accountable to no one. NO. ONE. In the government. He cannot be legally fired. He can be removed as a US Attorney, but he cannot be fired as the Special Counsel in this case. The Bushies and Libby's attorneys don't have a leg to stand on. They can keep filing this stuff till the cows come home. It's not going to help them.

There's a reason why James Comey made sure his friend didn't need oversight.

Julie

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