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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:31 PM
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McCain: Russia deserves ‘harsh treatment’
Senator says U.S. should respond harshly to Russia’s anti-democratic moves

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:53 p.m. ET April 2, 2006

WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain said Sunday the United States should respond harshly to Russia’s anti-democratic actions and suggested that President Bush is reconsidering his assessment of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

After meeting Putin for the first time in June 2001, Bush said he had been able to gain “a sense of his soul” and had found Putin to be “very straightforward and trustworthy.”

Recalling Bush’s assessment just months after taking office, McCain said: “Look, we all say things that are stupid. ... I’m sure that the president has re-evaluated his position in light of Putin’s recent actions.”

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“I don’t mean stupid. I’ll say it was stupid as far as I’m concerned, but all of us make statements that are sometimes not correct in hindsight.”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12121191/
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:36 PM
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I'm Sure Bush Was Correct--McCain Misunderstood, Though
Bush was saying that Putin wouldn't do anything Bush didn't like. And he hasn't.

Bush didn't say Putin was a democratically motivated, liberty-supporting, fair play kind of guy. Bush said he and Putin were kindred souls. They are both autocratic bastards and would-be Stalins.

Putin, howver, is not prone to making stupid mistakes and unrealistic assumptions. In that respect, he's much better at dictatorship than Bush.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:36 PM
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1. "I don't mean not correct, you know, I mean looking back mabye improper"
"I don't mean improper..I mean if one were to have a crystal ball one could know everything"
"I don't mean crystal ball as in witchcraft..I mean, if one were to be like you know ...a president and if one were to like say someting..it might be taken out of context..and you know, if one were to say something taken..................."

AD NAUSIATUM!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:40 PM
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2. Nothing should be taken "literally", sometimes they're "joking",
sometimes they "misspoke", sometimes they were speaking "figuratively"....go figure.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:41 PM
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3. And exactly what does Mr. Tough Guy McCain think we can use on
the Russians? Our military?
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:44 PM
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4. Worse than that. Scowleeza may make a threatening statement.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:48 PM
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6. I'm sure that'll just scare the hell out of the Russian government.
Edited on Sun Apr-02-06 05:50 PM by acmavm
Like they aren't laughing their asses off right now about the way we're bogged down in Afganistan with no way out. They know firsthand from experience what fighting in that country was like. The British tried it and failed themselves but that's so long ago they've forgotten the lesson.

Vladie tried to warn george what it would be like. Too bad he didn't listen.

edit: Because if george would have been paying attention to what his buddy told him about Afganistan, he might not have been such a dumb ass and attacked a country that didn't do a damn thing to us and who's civilian population did not, does not, deserve to be killed by our military.
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Emendator Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:53 PM
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7. McCain is crazy
And has the worst possible personality for a potential president.

Russia is no longer on our good list because Putin is reining in the oligarchs who ran roughshod over the country during the 1990s, which upsets our financial elites because now officials cannot be bought off very easily. Furthermore, Putin is wise to neocon funded organizations that helped bring about the farcical and failed "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine.

But most galling to the neocons is that Putin is successfully reforming Russia's economy with tax cuts and the people love him.

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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:14 PM
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15. wow. spot-on assessment of Russia...
so many people cry and whine about Putin putting the kibosh on freedom of speech, yadda yadda yadda, when a lot of what he's been doing is exactly what you said - trying to rein in the oligarchs. And once he instituted a flat tax, tax revenues went way up b/c the tax code was comprehensible and fair. Imagine that.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:45 PM
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5. McCain out of control. Consumed by Presidential ambition.
I make the prediction here and now: McCain will have a stroke before he gives up on his presidential ambitions. He can't win the GOP primaries. And he doesn't accept the role of a "statesman," tragically. He is a whore, it shows, and he could do good things over the next decade. If he gives up this insane obsession.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:56 PM
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8. Yeah, yeah, and McCain deserves retirement and psychiatric treatment. nt
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:06 PM
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10. Not so much a a matter of "deserving" it after all his
buddying up to Shrub. More of NEEDING it!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:06 PM
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9. Johnny is also about due for a spanking.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:19 PM
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12. McLame takes the kickin' and keep on lickin'.
John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

McCain hypocrisy:

The Bushification of John McCain

By Ari Melber, AlterNet. Posted November 15, 2005.

The bad blood between the two men has been infamous since 2000, when Bush's campaign lied about McCain's family and war service, and McCain told Bush to "get out of the gutter."

But during Bush's reelection in 2004, McCain strained to embrace his former rival -- literally. In their first joint appearance, they hugged dramatically before 6,000 soldiers at a Fort Lewis rally. Those events made for great campaign visuals. Yet while most Americans saw McCain's big heart, Republican leaders saw hungry ambition.

Rich Lowry, editor of the conservative magazine National Review, recently described that campaign bear hug as nothing but proof of "the senator's presidential ambitions." Lowry argues it's just part of McCain's scheme to get "the Right to stop loathing him." In targeted moves since the election, McCain has continued his Bushification by changing positions on conservative priorities like creationism, gay marriage and tax cuts.

As the costs of Hurricane Katrina mounted, McCain went on national television and told Chris Mathews the Bush tax cuts must be maintained. But McCain voted against those tax cuts.

In fact, he was one of only two Republicans to oppose Bush's signature 2001 tax cut. Given the surging costs of Katrina, Iraq and Medicare, there is no policy rationale for reversing his position now. The only rationale is political pandering. And that's exactly how some influential conservatives see it. Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, recently said that although McCain has "flip-flopped on a number of issues," he is still "anti-taxpayer" because "he's voted against every tax cut."

Yet the mainstream media is so attached to McCain's maverick image, most journalists didn't cover the tax reversal.


http://www.alternet.org/story/28266 /
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:19 PM
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11. Is this a repeat? Iraq trip?
McCain was barking about this after he came back from Iraq with Feingold last week.

Yeah, McCain's support is an older demographic that LIKES the cold war 'tension' in politics...but why re-post his crap?


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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 09:43 PM
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13. Like McCain is any expert on supporting democracy
he can bitch about Russia's anti-democratic actions while embracing the theocrats here in the United States.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:00 PM
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14. I'm sure nothing Putin has done tops the anti-democratic behavior of any
Republican currently in office...especially Bush and McCain. What a NutCake this guy is!
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:55 PM
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16. Interesting. McCain manages here
to call Bush "stupid," and put himself forth as dealing with Russia "harshly," i.e. as a hardliner, without really saying anything.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:01 AM
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17. "Russia’s anti-democratic actions" ???
wow, thats rich coming from the republicans. really, if they only realized how mad it sounds coming from the party that has propped up bush and his evil minions.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:42 AM
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18. McCain says stupid things - and I do mean stupid.
Later, when I reflect back on what I wrote, I'll still say McCain says stupid things.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:48 AM
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19. The warmongers may force Putin to join the anti-imperialist camp.
Now that the oligarchs have reduced Russia to a third world country, there is no impediment to it doing so...
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:05 AM
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20. * Jr. in training.
--McCain said: “Look, we all say things that are stupid.--

He would be the one to know.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:15 AM
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21. i stopped noticing mccain years ago.
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 03:16 AM by truthisfreedom
bush terrorized him and he did nothing about it... playing ball with bush is pure pantywaist.

edited for spelling. 8^)
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:08 AM
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22. Special message from V. Putin to J. McCain..
Zacroy svoy peesavati rot, sooka.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:22 AM
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23. Send our expert Sovietologist over there. That'd be pretty harsh.

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