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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:33 AM
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Sarandon wants monitoring for U.S. elections
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 08:34 AM by Ernesto
Susan Sarandon wants the U.S. presidential elections to be monitored by outside interests
“I believe our next election should be monitored by international entities, just like it happened in Haiti and Iraq,” Sarandon told Brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo, according to our translator. “The last one was an embarrassment. Everybody knew there was fraud, but nothing was done about it. In some states there were more votes than people able to vote.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12096127/
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:43 AM
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1. These celebrities are nutty. Next thing they'll be saying 9/11 was set up
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 08:43 AM by Ezlivin
Or Bush lied us into war.

Or Gore won the 2000 election.

Or the GOP messed with the Ohio results of the 2004 election.

Or the Bush Administration outed a CIA operative.

Or Bush didn't finish his service in the Air National Guard.

What is it with them and reality?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:31 AM
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29. Well, all I can say is.........
Wow. What took so long?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:43 AM
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2. I agree
and back anything in this vein.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:43 AM
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3. And I think she's fully justified.
But of course, there's no way in Hell that it's going to happen.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:45 AM
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4. "Everybody knew... " even my dogs!
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:52 AM
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5. Jimmy Carter monitored Venezuela, but ignored the U.S.
Venezuela has open source codes as well a paper ballots for their machines, which is a better system than what we have.

While people like Carter have no problem talking of over site in other countries, they blatantly ignore the problems here at home.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:11 AM
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6. Carter has most definitely not ignored the voting problems in
U.S. He has not been invited to monitor here.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:34 AM
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10. Actually, the US does not meet minimum standards for Carter's
organization to monitor elections. His organization will monitor elections only for countries that publically finance elections and use the same method for casting and counting votes across the nation. There are other basic standards that we do not meet.

I am not saying that Carter should not make an exception in order to monitor our elections, I am simply saying it is soooooo much worse than most of us realize.

:(
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:27 AM
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8. Carter gave a long list of minimum requirements the US didn't
meet for his monitoring agency.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:09 AM
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11. I remember at the time, the U.S. failed to meet the standards necessary
to even begin the monitoring of its elections... or something like that.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:20 AM
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17. There is a reason that President Carter cannot not monitor the
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 11:20 AM by Lochloosa
elections in the US.

According to the rules of the Carter Center they will only monitor elections in countries that have a uniform election system, hardly the case in the US, and are invited by the host country.

Carter has talked many times about the problems with voting in this country.

I will refrain from posting the rest of my remarks.



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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:35 AM
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30. Good Lord!!!!
Are we that repressed with our voting rights.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:19 AM
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7. Most definitely agree
We must demand total transparency!

:applause:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:28 AM
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9. Let the truth be told. (n/t)
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:20 AM
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12. we had international monitors
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 10:20 AM by mopinko
they sewed their mouths shut, and sent them home.

edited to say- go susan. and tim.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:31 AM
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13. Go Susan and all the other

brave patriots in Hollywood.

They risk a lot to speak out for the TRUTH.

Susan and Tim are gems.
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:35 AM
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14. The Carter Center will not monitor U.S. elections their statement.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:47 AM
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15. I hear you but Susan and others still need to get this message

out there.

Joe and Joan Average American don't have a clue how deep the fraud was ---she is letting them know and they are listening.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:59 AM
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16. Why don't we get the same (paper trail) voting machines, country-wide?
Screw states/counties/municipal rights on this score. Every two years, the elections directly affect the whole country. So the whole country should have the same voting machines.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:39 PM
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18. The whole country should have the same BALLOT BOXES.
We don't need the vapor-voting machines at all. Paper not vapor!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:41 PM
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19. I completely agree. We DO need monitors!!!
Indeed!!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:46 PM
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20. I agree the other countries need to get in here and monitor
Our election system is a travesty... two elections have been stolen and 2006 is going to be
another possibility...

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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:27 PM
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22. Not a possiblity
it's guaranteed

Unless we take some drastic action to make it fair
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:05 PM
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21. It'd be nice to get some senators on this
cough~ cough~.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:50 PM
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23. and may i add cough * MAJOR HACKING COUGH *
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:52 PM
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24. Monitor how? Sit and watch the pretty lights...
...on the voting machines? You can't monitor an election without ballots. Period.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:08 PM
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25. Yea Susan!
Keep saying it!

Susan and Tim are treasures. Tim's A Chill Wind... still gives me goosebumps.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:56 PM
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26. Absolutely! And, truly, paper ballots, hand counted in public, is the only
way we will ever get transparent elections. Think of the money we would save (not to mention that it would put Diebold, et al, out of business!
:applause:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 04:13 AM
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27. Doesn't have to be foreign -- The GAO could secure "Confidence in Results"
That's where Sarandon has it right. We need to demand an end product - loudly.

Either UnImpeachable Results or Impeachable Offense.

The obstacle is not technology or money -- just the resistance of bad or timid people.

--
www.january6th.org
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:54 AM
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28. Please send some monitors to Ohio!!!
They can start with District Two, and please bring the dehumidifiers!
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