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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:44 PM
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Cathy Kangas Offers Canada $16 Million to End Seal Hunt
Full story here:
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_060404_1.html

Last year the Canadian seal slaughter realized $16 million in income to East Coast seal killers.

This year, Sea Shepherd member and supporter Kathy Kangas has offered $16 million to compensate the sealers if they do not kill seals.

Kangas, the CEO and Founder of PRAI Beauty a global beauty company, has made the offer in a letter to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper

"If you stop this year's hunt immediately, we will provide you with the $16 million to be distributed at your discretion," said Kangas.

Ms. Kangas also proposed working with the Canadian government to institute a program to buy back existing fishing licenses and launch a program of eco-tourism in Northeastern Canada to replace the seal hunt. "Canadian fishermen could earn more money serving as park rangers for high end tours to Canada to see the beautiful spectacle of seals giving birth on the ice floes," she noted. She said that whale-watching tours in Canada have been very successful attracting visitors.

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Link to Ms. Kangas' site for PRAI Beauty: http://www.praibeauty.com/
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Come on, sealers...drop the hakapik, get your check. If you're not just eliminating competition or pelt profiteering, have at it...
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:53 PM
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1. Bad idea. Sets bad precedent. It will encourage others to do
all sorts of nasty environmental/wildife endangering things in hopes of a payoff. And what is she going to pay them off every year. This is not good. Stopping the slaughter of seals must come from within. Canada must do it on their own without prodding or incentive.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:00 AM
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14. I'm sorry--but I disagree with you on this...any seal lives saved
here and now would be a very positive first step, but I'm sure the offer won't be accepted anyhow.
But it would buy a little time until the next season.
:hi:
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:26 PM
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19. What?! You dare disagree w/me? And then you insulate yourself
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 12:26 PM by henslee
from a nasty esponse by inserting a waving smile-eee. Grrr.

I care about seals, too. My take on this issue stems from a different but similar situation. There is a guy who goes around the country buying up gorgeous land adjacent to national parks and preserves. He threatens to develop them... subtly blackmailing consersvancies and environmental groups to overpay him huge amounts of money for the land. My point is throwing money at a problem like this does not solve it. It only attracts more creeps who smell money and exploit the situation. (You mean, I can get not to kill seals?... cool)
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:53 PM
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2. What a wonderful woman! My hero nt
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:23 PM
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4. I agree.
I'd never heard of her before but I'll not forget her now. :applause:
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Left Below Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:54 PM
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3. Bless her. The world is a giant abattoir....
The killers and the prey.

Our species has wreaked enough damage. It's time for a die-off.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:25 PM
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5. I'd take it.
The numbers of seals born have been increasing annually even with the hunt.

Think how many more pups there'll be to harvest next year if there's none taken this year! They might even be able to double the quota.

Woo-hoo.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:56 PM
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6. quick! save the CUTE animals!!!
seems to be an annual obssession with some celebs too. particularly has-been celebs who need some free publicity.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:59 PM
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7. Your point?
Nobody said anything about that. Talk about obsession, eh?

Big shock, your profile...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:00 PM
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8. christ on a crutch
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 10:02 PM by pitohui
how many homes at $80K or $120K a home would that buy for the homeless victims of hurricane katrina and rita

just thinking abt people in say towns like cameron or waveland where every home was lost

and this woman has $16 million for baby seals

priorities i guess

she can go on my short list of people like paul maccartney and pamela anderson who care fuck-all about human beings when there is a baby seal to be oohed over

you could save an entire town like waveland with $16 million but what do we matter? we're not cute so fuck us
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:16 PM
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9. Your opinion.
And you're welcome to it.

Compassion shouldn't know any bounds, and if a person wants to direct their profit center somewhere, far be it from us to judge, lest we do the same.

No surprise here. Let me know when you rage against MoveOn in the same way, okay? Hell, DU spends mucho dinero on bandwidth. You might want to take that up with Skinner, et al.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:17 PM
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10. Why do people have to be like that? Everything should die???
Just because humans are suffering? I see... so if every human can't live, then everything else must die. Some people are SUCH speciesists!!! People object to the clubbing of baby animals SIMPLY for their fur. Caring about that makes someone very, very, human and compassionate.

and no.. you're not terribly cute right now.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:20 PM
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11. Exactly
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 10:25 PM by LeftyMom
and the funny thing is when you ask people who play the "humans first" card what the hell they're doing for thier fellow man, they usually don't have much of an answer.

But as long as somebody somewhere does without nobody should act to save a species threatened by global warming, overfishing and nasty, vain assholes who want fur coats. Fuck that.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:47 AM
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13. Oh give me a fucking break
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 12:49 AM by Lorien
how the hell do you know that she HASN'T spent a shitload saving victims in Darfur, LA, or anywhere else? Why not attack rich assh*les for spending as much building their vacation homes in Aspen? At least this woman is trying to spend her money ending some suffering AND providing for people who apparently "need" it (though some might really enjoy freezing their balls off while covered in blood and cracking the skull of an innocent animal for a few bucks).

BTW-people are fighting right now to save Orangutans, condors, whales, and thousands of other species that aren't "cute". Biodiversity is necessary for OUR survival. The seals are killed for vanity's sake; think THAT'S a worthwhile cause?

What have you sacrificed lately for anyone, human or animal? Don't cast stones unless you've done the equivalent and more with your own savings.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:25 AM
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15. Right on! The Seal hunt is a despicable event.
Thank god for Paul McCartney and Heather Mills-McCartney and The Humane Society of The U.S. and Greenpeace. Obviously many people including DU'ers have a lot of evolving to do.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:42 AM
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18. Your McCartney bashing is grossly misinformed
Very few artists do as much for people and animals as Paul McCartney.

He supports the Donor Family Network, he is active in World Blood Donor Day, he has two charities in US and UK to promote music education in the schools, he is very active in clearing landmines, his wife is the world leader on this issue, he donated his single "From a Lover to Friend" to the police and firefighters fund after 9/11, he recently designed and donated a Lexus RX 400 to Charity Folks,
he is an active donor and supporter Cancer Backup, he also supports the Garland Appeal, he is a big supporter of 46664.com to help fight AIDS in Africa, he supports the Cinnamon Trust for the elderly in England, he supports Children in Crisis, he donated and did fundraising for the tsunami victims and he supports his late wife's breast cancer center in Liverpool.

He also protests cruelty to animals.

If you want to help Paul "fuck-all about human beings" McCartney you can donate here:

www.landmines.org

Don't worry. This donation will be used to clear landmines. It will not prevent any cute animals from getting their heads bashed in so a Russian gangsters wife can have a pretty hat.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:27 AM
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12. hmmm, i am going to support her by going to the website! thanks!
her stuff looks good!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:05 AM
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16. amazing how a good woman doing a good thing gets it in the ass
because it wasn't about people. I despise animal cruelty. This woman is stepping in where no one else is to make a shit practice disappear and to help people who only have this to turn to find a better future. If people go to these places, they will save them. her act makes things better in a vast array of ways. Personally, as someone who lives in Alaska and watches our fucking legislature and governor aerial hunt wolves over OUR CONTINUED OBJECTIONS STATE WIDE, I have NO MERCY or CONCERN for a fucker who takes a bat and bashes a baby animal in front of its mother. Fuck them. Get a new damned job. Take the offer. Its more than the fucking government has offered these people. Ever.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:29 AM
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17. It's just more of that "fuck 'em if it doesn't benefit me" attitude
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:02 PM
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20. This does sound like a viable alternative
to the seal hunt, but I have some issues with it that make it difficult for me to criticize the hunt the way I used to.

My uncle and aunt live in Newfoundland. My father's family was born and raised in Newfoundland. And the main source of income in the area is fishing. If there aren't any fish, there is no money, and if there aren't any fish, everyone suffers.

The seal hunt is not killing for killing's sake. While I personally would stand in front of the seal killers myself and beg for them to leave the seals alone, I can stand back here and see it a different way than as a passionate animal rights activist.

The seals are "used" in every way. Meat is used, fur is used and there is no waste. And it's not like killing them is a plan to exterminate them, it's a plan to cull them. Because one of the main competitors for the fish that is the major income for most people there, is seals. The seals eat up an extraordinary amount of the fish, making the amount that fishermen can collect a lot smaller. To Newfoundlanders, seals=deer in the U.S.

We all love deer, but if we never had to kill a deer, their population would expand and many of them would starve to death. I don't condone ANY of this, but I understand it. Humans have been very bad in this situation, because if we hadn't wiped out the natural predators of the deer and other agrarian animals, the coyotes, mountain lions, bobcats and other such carnivorous species, the population of the deer would not be a problem--to us and to themselves. We're the bad guy here, and in a way, we're also the bad guy in Newfoundland.

If the domestic predators hadn't been eliminated, the seals population would remain at a status quo. If anyone remembers, the first rule of Darwin's Law is "Survival of the Fittest." We know this, but we don't practice it anymore in reality. In human history, even those who would have died at some point during their lives from illness, disease or other causes, are being kept alive longer. In some instances, we make heroic efforts to keeping someone with a major medical condition alive. It's a sign of compassion for many, but it weakens the entire race when these measures are taken. Think about it: every single time we find a cure or a therapy for a major disease or condition, mother nature bounces back with an even deadlier disease, which then takes even more efforts to resolve. It's not very nice, but it's real, and it's life.

We have always tried to place ourselves above the other "animals" in this world, and whether we're out to save or to savage, doesn't matter. We have an arrogance that says we are in charge, and we are going to take matters into our own hands.

But let's face it: we've already looked at another thread recently where we were concerned with the fact that a scientist pointed out that we will be the cause of earth's destruction if our population continues to accelerate and grow. And this holds true in the seal hunt in Newfoundland, where there is a fierce competition between the needs and wants of both man and seal. If we stop the seal hunt, we pay with less income, and less fish for those who live in Newfoundland, and whose stock in trade is fishing. If we continue to kill the seals, we find that we are failing our desire to show compassion toward these helpless animals.

While I often think that "ruling" the world might be a fun job, it's situations like this where even Solomon might have a hard time rending a decision. We can not "win" either way, because practicality is gained in one solution and compassion is sacrificed; and in the second scenario, we might gain a point for humanity with stopping of the massacres, but our friends, the Newfoundlanders (Newfies), and all those who buy their fish, would suffer in ways we can not even imagine.

I can not stand watching the massacre because I love animals. And if I love animals a little more than I love mankind as a whole, that's my business. But the fact remains that when there is a strong contest between two species for a single source of food such as there is in Newfoundland, man will always overrule those of us who would see the campaign dead.

Trying to introduce a new source of income to these people is really a good idea. But think about it--many of us would be very upset at the price of fish when it would go up as a result of letting the seals live. We think of ourselves first in this, and as a result we modify things to get our own way, and to hell with the animals in the scenario. I don't think that there is a majority of us who would be willing to give up our salmon, cod, haddock and other seafood, or pay significantly more for the ability to consume the fish. Most people in the world, and most people even here would never give up their right to eat beef, let's say, or other such "manly" source of protein. If we were to make a choice between turning meadows to cattle grazing land or offering grains for both fuel and consumption, most people would say the hell with the fuel and to hell with a vegetarian (or modified) diet. Most people are completely selfish, and we need to remember this. If we're not selfish ourselves in this area, we're hard put to try and change someone else to such modifications, because it will never happen.

And let's face it--allowing the seals to continue to breed without any management at all, would increase the population to the point where they will eat ALL the fish, and begin, like deer, to starve to death when there is no longer any fish to eat.

Is there an alternative? I don't know. And if there is, how can both parties be satisfied with an outcome? We express outrage at the thought of these small animals being killed, but to the people who must kill them, there is more a sense of resignation than there is of any kind of enjoyment. If you think this is bad, think about the killing of cattle and pigs in slaughterhouses, or the chicken or turkey "industry" where animals are not even considered "alive" and having any kind of pain. Or think of those young cattle which are killed for veal, or lambs, or any one of a long list of animals we consume for food.

I recall an episode of a long gone TV sitcom, where one of the characters grew up on a farm, and told the others that when you grow up on a farm, it is difficult sometimes to look at some animals as "pets" or anything more than a source of food. She said that they learned never to name certain of the animals because they knew that someday that animals was going to end up on their plates for dinner.

If most people had to kill animals to supply meat for the dinner table, there would be a lot more vegetarians. We tend to look at a wrapped package at the grocery store as something other than something that was once alive, breathing and enjoying life. We don't see the horror in the animals' eyes when they are led to the slaughterhouse, nor do we care to think about it. But this is the same situation as the case in Canada with the killing of the seals--EXACTLY the same. We like everything packaged "just right" and we don't look at the consequences we create for ourselves when we try to have it both ways. Animals are killed for food, or killed so that a food source might remain, or killed as an impediment against our obtaining of such.

We have to decide what way we will go, and it doesn't matter how outraged we are about the culling. And we must understand that these people are not gleefully doing away with the baby seals, they are doing it because they must. And we CAN NOT criticize them for doing the dirty deed, because if we were in the same situation, how the hell do we know we wouldn't do the same?
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