Cost to Remove 12M Illegal Immigrants Huge ($215 billion)

[deadparrot]

As Congress debates immigration reforms, some experts say the most extreme proposal — deporting millions of illegal immigrants — would be a huge legal and logistical morass, and ruinously expensive, too.

Officials at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, which would be responsible for deportations, said they have no projections on what it would take to rid the United States of an estimated 12 million people.

But the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington, has put the cost at $215 billion over five years.

The study assumed that a crackdown would prompt a quarter of the nation's illegal immigrants to leave voluntarily, leaving 9 million men, women and children to deport.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060407/ap_on_re_us/immigration_mass_deportation_1

[Saturday]

1. Fine the companies that

employee illegals, the jobs will stop and they will go home. Problem solved.

[Tesha]

19. Now *THAT* will never be done! ...It'd hurt Republicans! (NT)

[pushycat]

24. Yes. No jobs means no money = no profit for illegals/employers

Employers have avoided paying SS, state, and federal taxes on all these illegals for many years. What about the lost revenue from that? MSM keeps saying how wonderful the illegals have made our lives because they do the work we won't. Well, they also go to our schools, use our emergency medical facilities, drive cars w/o insurance or license, enjoy protection our military provides for us all. The issue is not to blame the individuals who cross our borders in hope of a better life - it is NAFTA, US Gov and Fox who are responsible. If our gov can surveil all electronic traffic to find the bad guys it can damn well identify an employer who pays cash for cheap labor.

[ThoughtCriminal]

2. And how many lives?

Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands? And if the deportation leads to massive unrest in Mexico the consequences are even more staggering. I can't believe anybody isseriously considering this except to pander to the Klan vote.

[xchrom]

3. i'll bet that amount would be understated

if it were carried out.

notice figure depends on a quarter of the ''illegals'' leaving voluntarily.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

6. Enforcing laws in the US is too expensive now? Nice to hear.

[xchrom]

8. lol -- like we don't apply enforcement of the laws in all kinds of ways?

[xchrom]

4. thanks for the link.

[savemefromdumbya]

5. It is dumb to remove - what a waste of time and money!

[Blaze Diem]

7. Cost to Remove 12M Illegal Immigrants Huge ($215 billion)..

cost to strengthen Halliburton Assets by murdering thousands of innocents, "priceless". (trillions$$?)

Price of paying fair wages, reasonable general healthcare, and keeping citizens from having to live in their cars while eeking out some human existance of a future??
Way too much for the American dominated GOP government under george bush.

[MidwestTransplant]

9. That's nearly $18K per person

I would like the contract for that. I would pay them 15K cash to leave leaving me with 24 Million after expenses.

[Bush_MUST_Go]

10. Now this news story from Jan. is starting to make a little more sense.....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/prn/texas/3608687.html

Jan. 24, 2006, 11:05AM

(BW) KBR Awarded U.S. Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services

By Business Editors

(c) 2006 Business Wire

ARLINGTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 24, 2006--KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

"We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support," said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. "We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed."

Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries. The company serves its customers with a broad range of products and services through its Energy Services Group and KBR. Visit the company's World Wide Web site at www.halliburton.com.


EDIT: COPYRIGHT....PLEASE POST ONLY FOUR PARAGRAPHS
FROM THE COPYRIGHTED NEWS SOURCE PER DU RULES.

[onehandle]

11. Jon Stewart commented on the ease of this operation with this photo.

This times 12 million.

[denverbill]

12. The fine for hiring an illegal immigrant is $10,000.

10,000*12,000,000=120,000,000,000. Increase the fines to $20,000 and it breaks even.

[Theodolite]

13. 3 to 4 million orphaned children

There are 3 to 4 million children of illegals who were born in the US and are legal US citizens. They cannot be deported. If we send their parents home, each child could easily cost $10,000. in services to raise. I'm assuming that the the $10,000 would have been paid for by the parents if they hadn't been deported. The US taxpayer would take on this additional cost. This cost is $30 to $40 billion.

[rocktivity]

28. As with Elian Gonzalez, parental rights trump citizenship rights

Children don't get deported, they just get sent home in their parents' custody. They can reactivate their U.S. citizenship when they turn 18--as long as they have a HS diploma, English proficiency, and a clean criminal record!

:eyes:
rocknation

[sendero]

14. What utter and complete horseshit..

.... I'm so tired of the lies, lies and more lies about this issue I could spit.

I'll tell you what - you change the penalty for employing an illegal to IMPRISONMENT, put a system in place that an employer can use to verify identity (we have this thing called the internet now, it's amazing!) and the problem would solve itself in 6 months.

Cheap labor Republicans arent' about to do anything about illegal immigration, they just want to talk about it.

[brentspeak]

15. Better to just grant amnesty to the majority already in the U.S.

and then redouble efforts to prevent illegals from getting into the country.

[lovuian]

16. Thats about what we would save in paying for their healthcare

so its actually a even exchange...

[entanglement]

26. Got a link to back that assertion up?

And WTF is wrong with you Buchananites? Are you batshit crazy? Do you REALLY have a fucking clue about what deporting 12 million people entails? Think about it before replying to me.

[lovuian]

29. Ok wheres your link to back up I'm wrong???

but here is a link looking at both sides of the Healthcare Issue... which Nobody wants to talk about

http://search.hp.netscape.com/hp/boomframe.jsp?query=Immigrant+health+care&page=2&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D7ef2efe01febdb2b%26clickedItemRank%3D22%26userQuery%3DImmigrant%2Bhealth%2Bcare%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cnn.com%252F2005%252FPOLITICS%252F05%252F10%252Fheallth.illegal.ap%252F%26invocationType%3Dnext%26fromPage%3DHPNextPrevB%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2005%2FPOLITICS%2F05%2F10%2Fheallth.illegal.ap%2F


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Health care providers can charge the government for emergency care provided to illegal aliens beginning Tuesday.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services issued final guidance Monday that sets up a system for reimbursement. Lawmakers set aside $1 billion over four years for the program, created by Medicare legislation passed in 2003.

more...

The Congress set aside a Billion dollars to pay for emergency care over 4 years... it will run out in 2007...

It was getting to be a crisis and hospitals were going bankrupt!!!
http://search.hp.netscape.com/hp/boomframe.jsp?query=Immigrant+health+care&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D7ef2efe01febd06e%26clickedItemRank%3D3%26userQuery%3DImmigrant%2Bhealth%2Bcare%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimmigration.about.com%252Fcs%252Feconomicslabor%252Fi%252FImmHealthCCosts_2.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DCompaqTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fimmigration.about.com%2Fcs%2Feconomicslabor%2Fi%2FImmHealthCCosts_2.htm

FAIR claims that immigration policy is a key factor influencing the increase of the number of uninsured people in the U.S., and the fiscal crises burdening public health care systems. Their recent study claims that:
- One out of every four uninsured people in the United States is an immigrant.

- Almost half of immigrants have either no insurance or have it provided to them at taxpayers' expense.

-In some hospitals, as much as two-thirds of total operating costs are for uncompensated care for illegal aliens.

- Border hospitals reported losses of almost $190 million in unreimbursed costs for treating illegal aliens in 2000, with another $113 million in ambulance fees and follow-up services.

- The problem is on the rise: Immigrants (legal and illegal) who arrived between 1994 and 1998 and their children accounted for 59 percent of the growth in the size of the uninsured population in the last ten years.

- The increase in uncompensated care for immigrants has forced some hospitals to reduce staff, increase rates, cut back services, and close maternity wards and trauma centers.



more...
these are from the year 2000 we are in 2006 wonder how much it is now!!! so lets add 303 million for 6 years thats a lot of dollars It was so bad in Texas Bush ordered the hopsitals compensation to treat ilegals but its still not enough...

[Up2Late]

17. Maybe we should work up some ads: The Iraq War cost $500 Billion...

...over 5 years, removing Illegal Aliens from the U.S. $215 Billion.

The Republican Party made it's choice in 2003, Now EAT your Damn CAKE ALREADY!!!!:mad:

[PsN2Wind]

18. Has anyone done a cost estimate

on the amount to make them legal? A new bureaucracy to process the applications will be how much? The schools, clinics and jails we'll have to build once family reunification kicks in, how much? And then we have to bring in guest workers to do "the jobs they won't do", they being the newly-minted legal residents. Then in twenty years we'll have to do the whole damn thing over again.
If this is done, ALL the costs should be federalized but chances are the people in the border states will continue to be stuck with much of the costs.
There ain't no free lunch. This action, whatever you want to call it, I call it amnesty, will have a helluva tab attached.. When someone is in violation of the law and it's decided that their status will be changed so what they are doing is no longer illegal and in fact their past illegal act will be rewarded seems like amnesty to me.

[area51]

20. "ruinously expensive"?

Gee, like the 2 wars we have now? Or like the proposed war against Iran?

[Gregorian]

21. They're drunk on our money.

Remember, you work three hours for yourself and one hour for them.

Think of what we could have had instead of-
The drug war.
Star wars.
Iraq.
Interest on borrowed money.
.
.
.
Hey, it's YOUR money.

George Bush doesn't like Mexicans. Gee, I wonder where they lived before the white man showed up. Hmmm. I wonder.

[sweetheart]

22. how degenerate a waste

12 million illegal people generally agree,
that they want a better life, that's what they're doin',
and with 215 billion bucks, its quite a fee,
a perfect investment in development, jobs 'n fair wage livin'.

We embrace you, bretheren so many,
luck of wealth embraces us, living wages no sin,
prison planet perpetually oppressed to consumer cellular destiny,
a cell block for every migrant, a billion in every waste bin.

Oh warden bush, in your gunembattled tower,
tell us we're free again on the cell block speaker system,
please we implore you, beloved war protector,
tell us some lies, to kill our brain stem.
It all involves burning gas, repeatedly apparent.
Every act, benefits oil'iburton's corporate parent.

[Zorra]

23. Planned deportation is an absurd idea. It will cost far more than

$215 billion, and will result in an immense bureaucratic quagmire that will render the plan ineffective in a short period of time

The solution is simple: Create a law enforcement agency with broad powers to investigate corporate hiring. Catch the businesses that hire undocumented workers. Fine employers that hire undocumented workers $50,000 per worker when caught. Strictly enforce this law.

Deny welfare benefits to anyone that is not a US citizen, and the undocumented workers will be forced to leave on their own, because in most cases the cost of living will be so high it will be impossible to live in the US without any income. This will also discourage others from crossing the border illegally.

[Zynx]

32. I would add an extra zero or two to that $50,000.

You need to make the penalty EXTREME in order to insure compliance.

[WhiteTara]

25. not to worry, the repukes can't pass a bill

and they didn't want to anyway. They just needed a new distraction from the real issues of our lives. But those new detention centers might hold a bunch of them! We could put orange jumpsuits on them and shackle them and blindfold them, just like they do in Gitmo.

[rocktivity]

27. We also have the option of billing the country where they came from.

And we should charge double to Mexico's Vincente Fox. Maybe HE'S the one we should be threatening to remove from power if he doesn't tighten his side of the border and start solving his own economic problems.

:eyes:
rocknation

[winston61]

30. this is just all smoke and mirrors

This just what the repukes want. Nothing will happen until at least after the mid term and then I doubt anything will. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce doesn't want anything done about immigration. People, wake up. Here in the town where I live the local employers would shit if the illegals went away. Even the ones who don't hire them want 'em around to hold down wages. They will close down their businesses before they will pay a living wage. There will be no deportation of Mexicans, the economy would collapse. The biggest crock of shit is the statement 'they do jobs Americans won't'- bullshit, Americans won't do the jobs for the same low wages paid to illegals. Raise the minimum wage, make border control real, bring in universal health care and watch the economy grow.

[struggle4progress]

31. It'll cost even more to jail 'em as felons. eom

[salin]

33. this is the question that needs to be asked... how much

more in taxes is each taxpayer willing to pay for this program? They way that the GOP has compartementalized cost of program (lets just do it!) vs. paying for that program - seems to have led to a 'free lunch' mentality. There is no free lunch. There wasn't/isn't for the war. There isn't/wasn't for No Child Left Behind (forcing cuts and tax increases at local/state levels). And there won't be for this.

The mass deportation proposals do not make sense to me. However if there was a massive referendum - where the majority of citizens signed on - along with an agreement to pay for it through new designated taxes, then I would have to go along with it. Thing is - this is a safe thing for me to say because... it would NEVER happen.

[killbotfactory]

34. That's way too much... unless we contracted out to Halliburton

$$$$!!!

[DemFromMem]

35. What about the public defenders?

People forget that making being out of status a felony will entitle all 12 million potential defendants the constitutional right to counsel. I wonder how much your average public defender-loving GOP member will like that one.

[FVZA_Colonel]

36. A comment from Jon Stewart on the subject-

This is a rough paraphrasal, but it went something like this- just remember how "easy" it was to get rid of Elian Gonzales. Now multiply that by eleven million.