GOP Spanish Language Ads Blame Dems for Bill to make aliens into felons

[JPZenger]

Here's an excerpt from an AP article distributed this morning. Have they no shame? The GOP members in the House pass a bill making it a felony to be an undocumented resident in the US and then try to blame the Dems for their action.

"... Republicans disclosed a Spanish-language radio advertising campaign designed to shoulder Democrats with the responsibility for legislation passed by the GOP-controlled House that would make illegal immigrants subject to felony charges.

The ads are scheduled to air in New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada — states with large Latino populations. ... In the House, Republicans drafted legislation to make illegal immigrants subject to felony charges. Democrats say they were denied a chance to eliminate criminal penalties from the bill.

At another point, Republicans tried to substitute misdemeanor charges for felonies in the bill. Democrats opposed that effort, with at least some of them saying they wanted no criminal penalties at all. Republicans then passed the overall bill — including felony charges — on a largely party-line vote."

Full text:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-immig14apr14,1,3167888.story?coll=la-news-a_section

[Skinner]

1. What!?

Unbelievable. The utter lack of shame is breathtaking.

[Skip Intro]

18. leaves me speechless n/t

[Kikosexy2]

46. So let's ...

counter-attack and get the truth out there--It's the Repugs who want criminalize immigrants--remind them of Gov. Pete Wilson of Calif. and Prop. 187 and how all Repugs backed that initiative. Especially here in CA--we've never forgotten and Ol' Petey is sooo despised by Latinos!

[Higans]

90. So, does that mean the Dem's have to sponsor an add campaign

saying simply: "every thing they say is a lie."

I suppose telling the truth won't work. The truth is that the Dem's are not in control of the government branches at all, so any Hostility you feel is directed at you by a Republican government.

[Big_Mike]

54. The problem is that they are politicians.

They only lie when their lips move. AFAIAC, neither side is doing well in this debate. They are too concerned trying to make political points to do the right thing for the nation. We need rational policies that make sense. But since this is an election year, each side is only positioning for gains at the polls. We are SUPPOSED to be better than this. ARGH, I hate even numbered years. Almost nothing worthwhile is ever accomplished for our nation during the election cycles.

[klook]

96. No, the problem is that the Republicans perpetrated this campaign of LIES

...not the Democrats. The Republicans have proposed legislation making undocumented immigrants felons and deporting them, not the Democrats. Yet the Republicans produce lying ads to say the DEMOCRATS did this!?!?! What in that scenario says "both sides are guilty"?

[flashdebadge]

106. I agree with you. Also notice that the house is only in session 97 days!

[Mr_Spock]

2. Sometimes I feel that republicans want to have a real conflict

in this country. They better stop with the inflammatory lies.

[motocicleta]

34. I feel like that a lot these days.

Every time liberals back off and try to get along, the repukes drop another bomb. It's clear they have no interest in any compromise or bipartisanship, they only want us around to be abused. Probably because they would have absolutely no platform whatsoever if it wasn't for opposition to liberal ideas.
Scum.

[PurpleChez]

84. Yep! I have lost almost all desire to "coexist" with the Repugs.

Yes, I know some very, very good people who are Republicans. People who I would trust with my child's life. And yet I have no desire to play nice with the bigots, zealots, hate-mongers, religious nutbags, baby-beaters, proto-fascists, liars and hypocrites that are the active wing of the GOP. I just want an island somewhere and the thugs can go fuck themselves.

[FiveGoodMen]

38. I think they do. They have most of the guns.

[Mr_Spock]

39. Well, I'm not going to concede that issue. They may have the biggest...

mouths and be the most afraid and boastful about their boy guns, but there are plenty of us liberals who can fend off these childish cretins if need be.

Walk softly and carry a big stick is one of my favorite sayings...

[anotherdrew]

40. they'll be cowering behind cover as we close in

I doubt most of them could hit the broad side of a barn anyway.

[DFW]

78. like the song goes....

From "The Far Right" from "Sing Along With ther Democrats" by THE FREEDOM TOAST:

The far right, the far right
See all their guns, See all their guns
The point them at him and at you and at me
They’re fast on the trigger if you disagree
So look out in case they aim accurately,
It’s the far right!


(sung to the tune of Three Blind Mice)

[acmejack]

3. Isn't this a cute move?

Scumbags...

[central scrutinizer]

4. The Big Lie again

If you are going to lie, why not make it a whopper?

[LuckyLib]

86. And, if lying is your MO, why stop at the English media? Why

not create some real whoppers and have them blasted all over Spanish media as well. Latinos in US Spanish media need to get wise to this shit and "Just say no." They are being waltzed and used by Bushco and they need to put a stop to it. LULAC and MALDEF need to step in and shout out that the Big Lie is now bilingual.

[Selteri]

5. These people are ugly beyond words.

They also are showing a disconnect from reality that newspeak can barely cover. They are the newspeak Culture, the culture of do as I say, not as I do. Do not think. Do not look behind the curtain!

[0007]

6. The bending end!

Bush described the Senate legislation as a "promising bipartisan compromise on comprehensive immigration reform," and said Reid "refused to allow senators to move forward and vote for amendments…. It was a procedural gimmick that meant he was single-handedly thwarting the will of the American people and impeding bipartisan efforts to secure this border and make this immigration system of ours more humane and rational."

Reid responded within minutes.

:redbox:"If the president is serious about moving forward, then he should join me in calling on Sen. Frist to bring immigration reform back to the Senate floor when we return" from a two-week recess.

:redbox:"Hopefully, by then, President Bush and his majority leader will have found the backbone to stop the extreme elements of the Republican Party from blocking improvements to America's security," Reid said.

Bush and Reid swapped charges as Republicans disclosed a Spanish-language radio advertising campaign designed to shoulder Democrats with the responsibility for legislation passed by the GOP-controlled House that would make illegal immigrants subject to felony charges.

The ads are scheduled to air in New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada — states with large Latino populations.

[marmar]

7. I hope the Dems respond immediately...

and don't sit around and wait for lies to become truth before they say anything.

[kurth]

19. Exactly - Hit them back, hit them right away, and hit them HARD

[wordpix]

44. Where are our Congressional Hispanic Dems? They should be screaming

[PegDAC]

100. Absofreakinlutely!

Come on Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva! The Repukes are going to try to pull this off in your own districts!

[The Wielding Truth]

108. Could the Democratic Party them for slander?

[mdmc]

8. paging Doctor Dean

:mad:
They need to tell the truth! 4437 was all GOP! Did any dems vote for 4437?

[HereSince1628]

24. Yes, I'd say this one is worthy of DNC involvement.

Dems need to protect the investment in the 50 state strategy.

[saigon68]

31. Those DINOs won't do shit

Hey Claude, pass the Moet and Caviar.

[mdmc]

41. well, someone should do something

think of the children!

[saigon68]

60. The DINOs are busy planning their next Carribean Vacation

[ShortnFiery]

72. Exactly!

Plus note that an overwhelming percentage of latinos are of the Catholic faith. The Right Wing will also use them to discourage birth control and blame the Democrats for the so called break up of the family. If we don't get rid of the corporate whore DINOs, then settle back for a long winter of Republicans controlling All Three Branches of OUR Government.

I'm tired of this waltz. Where are our Democratic Leaders?

[saigon68]

73. They are Sleeping Soundly Tonight

In their heated waterbeds

[jamesinca]

76. this would not be protecting, this would be the 50 stater

Think about how many hundreds of thousands showed up to protest this. Then think about what would happen in a state like AZ or NV if all of those people registered to vote, and registered to vote against the party that put this legislation forward. Those states would be solidly blue for a long time. CA would probably dump every republican member of the house from the San Joaquin Valley and So Cal areas for a long time. The sleeping giant that this woke up carried the potential to give the Dems the house and almost the senate in the border states alone.

I believe they are trying to play on the ignorance of the masses with this. They are trying to split the vote of those hundreds of thousands with a lie. If they can do that, it will not change voter registration percentages in the different parties. It will only add to the number of registered voters. If the repugs don't shift the blame on this they will make it a 43 state strategy because 7 states will not put repug in office. Your right, we can not let them shift the blame.

[SlipperySlope]

37. The truth?

Well, it is the "truth" that 164 Democrats voted against reducing the penalty from a felony to a misdeameanor.

And in the end, 8 Dems voted in favor of the bill overall.

[stanwyck]

9. Uh, oh. Don't let the freeper base find out

many of the rabid right want illegals shot. So, thinking that Dems want illegals dragged away on felony convictions is going to win Dem votes from the lowest common denominators.
The Repubs are playing a dangerous game here -- trying to play both sides against the middle.

[Judi Lynn]

10. Shameful. I hope the Democratic House members find a way to make

sure this dishonest, dirty maneuver gets played up so well everyone is aware of the filthy lie they've tried to pass off to Spanish-speaking voters.

We need a really LOUD voice pointing out their criminality so well, that when they try this treachery they'll only put themselves farther behind.

[rodeodance]

12. come on Pelosi, harry, dean WHOEVER--get on the TUBE NOW

[rodeodance]

13. we get Duke and Molly the cat on msnbc -NOT this.

[rodeodance]

11. Repugs know the making of a felony was THE upseting feature-and now

they blame it on the Dems. i do not have words for this decient!

[annabanana]

14. This is worse than despicable....

BUT.....
it assumes that the Spanish speaking audience, on the whole, does not speak English. (A little blowback for their habit of projecting..)

Their inability to look beyond their own noses will hamper their efforts.

[gratuitous]

15. Surely the ads won't air, will they?

After all, when the Democrats and other progressives have wanted to run issue-oriented ads in various states, outlets like Clear Channel and Fox were absolutely scrupulous about vetting the ads for the "truth," and would refuse to run ads that even sailed close to edge. If there was a lame positive excuse that could be proffered for some corrupt Republican, that was enough to prevent the airing of any ad that painted corrupt Republicans as corrupt.

So surely such a bald-faced lie, even in Spanish, will be stopped by our faultless guardians of the airwaves. Right?

Anyone?

Bueller?

[rodeodance]

17. huh?

[rodeodance]

16. drats. the headline gives no hint of this.

Bush, Democratic Leader Swap Blame on Immigration Bill
From the Associated Press
April 14, 2006

WASHINGTON — President Bush accused Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid on Thursday of "single-handedly thwarting" action on immigration legislation, and got a brisk retort in return.

"President Bush has as much credibility on immigration as he does on Iraq and national security," shot back the Nevada Democrat.

[DuaneBidoux]

20. The kind of shit we absolutely MUST not stand still for.

We need to hit back with ads and with pr that fights these kind of lies.

[struggle4progress]

21. Duras contradicciones entre líderes EEUU por tema de inmigrantes

El presidente George W. Bush acusó al jefe de la bancada demócrata en el Senado Harry Reid de haber "frustrado por sí solo" la reforma migratoria, y recibió una dura respuesta. "Bush tiene tanta credibilidad en el tema de la inmigración como en relación con Irak", respondió Reid.

Mark Stevenson/Grez Risling/David Espo/Steven K. Paulson/AP/Servicios de Clave Digital

<snip> "Lo que solicitan es que el 1o de mayo no se compre nada gringo en el país ni se consuma nada en franquicias americanas, esto quiere decir: No Dunkin Donuts, Mc Donald's, Burguer King, Starbucks, Sears, Crispy Cream, Walmart, Seven-Eleven y otras de la interminable lista de empresas norteamericanas en México", dice otro. <snip>

Roberto Vigil del grupo Hermandad Mexicana, con sede en California y defensor de los derechos de los inmigrantes, dijo que su organización le ha pedido a algunos de los principales sindicatos de México que respalden la protesta. Elías Bermúdez, presidente de Immigrants Without Borders ("Inmigrantes Sin Fronteras"), con sede en Phoenix, está promoviendo el boicot activamente en entrevistas con radiodifusoras y canales de televisión de México.

Los grupos mexicanos están respondiendo. Pablo González, portavoz de uno de los principales sindicatos de México -- la Federación Revolucionaria de Obreros y Campesinos -- dijo que su organización apoyará un boicot contra "al menos cuatro de las firmas más importantes de Estados Unidos, entre ellas Wal-Mart", la mayor cadena de tiendas al por menor de México. <snip>

http://www.clavedigital.com.do/Portada/Articulo.asp?Id_Articulo=7239

:)

[JPZenger]

30. edit

[struggle4progress]

35. Uh, no: it isn't a Spanish translation of the OP.

[struggle4progress]

22. La Cámara .. cortará los fondos de .. ciudades que no colaboren

EEUU.- La Cámara de Representantes cortará los fondos de aquellas ciudades que no colaboren con la ley de inmigración

DENVER, 14 (EP/AP)

La Cámara de Representantes de Estados Unidos aprobó el jueves una medida que no entregaría fondos estatales a las ciudades que eviten que sus agentes policiales trabajen de manera conjunta con las autoridades federales de inmigración. <snip>

Los republicanos señalaron que el estado no reembolsa a las comunidades que aplican las leyes contra el tráfico de narcóticos, y no debería reembolsar a las comunidades por aplicar las leyes de inmigración. <snip>

http://www.atb-e.com/leer_mas.asp?fh=20060414050230&logo=portada&id=

[struggle4progress]

23. La pugna entre demócratas y republicanos estanca la reforma ..

.. inmigratoria en el Senado de EEUU

... Cualquier medida que salga del Senado tendrá que ser armonizada con la del republicano James Sensenbrenner, aprobada por la Cámara de Representantes en diciembre y que, entre otros elementos, convierte en criminales a los indocumentados y a quienes les ayuden.

En respuesta a las acusaciones de la Casa Blanca, el portavoz de Reid, Jim Manley, dijo que el Gobierno sólo intenta distraer la atención de los ciudadanos de su fracaso, por no lograr convencer a los republicanos para que apoyasen una reforma migratoria integral.

"Hoy Scott McClellan demostró una vez más que la Casa Blanca de Bush simplemente no tiene credibilidad. Las protestas pacíficas en todo el país en días recientes han subrayado la necesidad de una reforma migratoria integral", afirmó Manley.

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/109312/0/inmigracion/senado/bush/

[Sapere aude]

25. The mother of the 14 yr old suicide listens to Faux news

I heard a tape of the mother of the 14 yr old kid in CA who killed himself after his vice principle said that the kid would get 3 yrs in prison for leading his class in a walk out last week. She said her son would make her coffee every morning before she went to work and tuned her TV to Fox News.

[kevinbgoode]

88. I cannot believe this happened. . . !

and it is an utter outrage. Why there is no policing of these kinds of officials who lie with impunity is beyond me, but frankly, the vice principal should be prosecuted, the subject of a civil suit, and barred from ever having a job in education again. The only way we are going to stop people who bully others into suicide is to start showing them what removal of their freedom is all about.

[Igel]

26. Ah, political hardball and manipulation of language and intent.

Such a fun sport, trying to take a fastball and make a homerun out of it.

Or, rather, like having a spinball ball batted across the net in ping-pong, and having your opponent return it with a different spin.

"At another point, Republicans tried to substitute misdemeanor charges for felonies in the bill. Democrats opposed that effort, with at least some of them saying they wanted no criminal penalties at all. Republicans then passed the overall bill — including felony charges — on a largely party-line vote.

"With public polling showing overwhelming opposition to the felony provision, GOP leaders said this week they would make sure any bill that cleared Congress was shorn of the provision."

So on the face of it, the felony provision in the House bill stands because dems wanted no criminal charges instead of a misdemeanor. What was intended as a principled stand presumably for both principle and politics--not supporting a better version of the legislation but instead holding out for moral purity and perfect, at leat on this point--is portrayed as letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Sometimes I hate partial truths.

[CottonBear]

27. It's ironic: the GOP line is that English is our official & only language

so...they advertise in Espanol. Freaking hypocrites. :grr:

Just yesterday, a Republican co-worker sent me a piece of crappy, right wing e-mail propaganda called the "Bill of No Rights." Check out Article X:

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from! (lastly....)

:puke:

[PegDAC]

101. My ancestors

came to America from Germany and Switzerland in the mid 18th century. For several generations most of them spoke no English, because they were Amish (right up to my great-great-grandparents) and spoke Pennsylvania Deutsch. My dad, born in Indiana in 1909, didn't speak English until he was 6. I wonder what the Repuke xenophobes would have to say about that!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Why can't the Democratic Party sue for libel? These are out and out

lies.

[wordpix]

45. good idea

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. Because political ads are exempted from truth in advertising.

:banghead:

[kevinbgoode]

89. Well, then we should respond with some creative work of our own

I'm sure we can post enough pictures of the Prez holding hands with a Saudi prince as an explanation for why Osama is still loose....followed by images of every nutcase televangelist posing with senior Repuke officials....followed by film of Laura and George waving from Air Force One to people stranded on the roofs in the flooded Gulf Coast. . .followed by the words...large across the screen. . .Republican Family Values: Corruption. Deception. Manipulation. And lies.

Then have a speaker say: Ever wonder which Bible the Republicans really read?

[rambler_american]

99. some creative work of our own

You know the reason Repugs hate abortion? Because they eat their young and abortion cuts down on the food supply.

[OKIsItJustMe]

95. Why is this!?

Why is it illegal to say something false about a product, but not about a political opponent? IMHO, if it can be proven false or even misleading it should not be allowed to run, pure and simple. (I don't care whose ad it is!)

[rodeodance]

29. I wish i knew if someone/group is trying to STOP this!

[Clovis Sangrail]

32. duh

true or false it makes no difference.

If the democrats don't get out in front of this in a big way it could easily be far worse than the swift boat thing.

[DUHandle]

33. If the large and well organized Hispanic protests of late suggest anything

It would that a strong and effective network exists and I’d like to think that network would call bullshit when bullshit is there.

[ShortnFiery]

71. They will still hold their seats where they are incumbents

We are all being played by those who are currently in power. Sometimes it seems like a comedy skit where the entrenched - incumbent Democrats are often the perennial straight men,i.e., forever the minority party but still getting fat off of our corporate big brother.

[lovuian]

36. This is why immigration

was an issue with the Gop but it backfired now they are blaming
Democrats!!!

[antiblazer]

42. Lies. Misinformation. Immorality

The Repuke way

:mad:

Unfortunately, people will believe this crap.

[AnneD]

43. We need to get on the air

and post the voting record......people aren't dumb-they just need the facts.

[drduffy]

47. neocons won't give up gov without a real fight

I mean I bet there will have to be real fighting in the streets at some point. It's that or the camps.... Which would you prefer?

[Cobalt Violet]

55. It's just a matter of time.

Not if, but when.

[Ignacio Upton]

48. Reid should sue the RNC

I'm sorry, but drafting a draconian piece of legislation and then blaming on the DEMOCRATS is a bald-faced lie, and anyone who tries to repeat this talkingpoint as "fact" on a tv ad should be charged with libel.

[stepnw1f]

82. EXACTLY

I think I'll drop them a line and let them know I won't allow this shit to go on anymore. The RNC needs to be hit hard with a lawsuit! Put this issue on public record.

[drfresh]

83. I'm with you, a lawsuit could be in order

It's just ludicrous.

[twaddler01]

49. This is BULL!!!

:mad:

[rodeodance]

50. I have been listening to all evening news and not a peep about this.

[rodeodance]

51. anyone hear anything on the news about this?

[SeaBob]

52. slime

the repukes keep going deeper and deeper into their own cesspool of slimey politics. I just sent a copy of the lead story to CBS news shaming them

[KittyWampus]

53. What is the Democratic response?

[mvd]

56. Absolutely unbelievable!

It's all such twisted logic that surely we can counteract this.

[Liberty Belle]

57. Whoever organized the marches should spread the word about this lie.

Also, why not start a boycott of any station that runs this crap?

[laylah]

58. Bottom feeders...

that is all they are. I find my solace in knowing that we may not see their demise; however, God/dess WILL get them and Karma IS a bitch...keeps me sane.

[DaveColorado]

59. I posted this story when it first broke last night in GD

My jaw was on the floor as well.

[brentspeak]

61. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of today's Repubs

Taking the art of the Big Lie to heights not seen since Hitler's time.

[KAZ]

62. Let's hope they end up like yesterday's NSDAP.

They can burn in hell for all I care.

[abester]

79. Aaaaah yes, but the interesting question is:

will they take the rest of the nation with them like the nsdap did?

[progressivebydesign]

63. The GOP is the most evil fuckers in modern times...

At least you could comprehend that Hitler did what he did because he was totally insane. I cannot comprehend what makes the modern republicans such evil bastards...

[onehandle]

64. The DNC needs to fund response ads.

Also, send bodies onto Spanish language news programs to set the record straight.

[Up2Late]

65. Um, WHERE exactly is this Article you posted about? I've serched...

...the L.A. Times, the internet with Google and Google News, and I'm not finding this headline.

The closest thing I found was this search result from Google, but I'm not finding it at the MSNBC link it gives.

First Read - First Read - MSNBC.com
Placing immigration reform blame Speaking at a gathering of small business ... The New Mexico GOP says they've launched a Spanish-language radio ad accusing ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796/ - 87k - Apr 13, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages

<http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&percentage_served=100&tab=wn&q=Spanish+Language+Ads+Blame+Dems&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web>

Oh wait, I found what you posted; within the article, 9th paragraph down.

Kind of a breach of the LBN rules, don't ya think?

[brentspeak]

68. I found the article using Google News search

http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/news/ci_3709909

The easiest thing to do is just copy-and-paste part of a sentence, and enclose it within quotes.

The OP shouldn't have used the LA Times article, because it requires registration.

[Lib Grrrrl]

67. Have They No Shame??

I don't like the idea of the "guest worker" program, if only because I'm unemployed, and do not wish an influx of 11 million once-illegals into the legal job market. But for the Repukes to go and push for a bill making felons out of them...and then blame the Democrats...that's lower than a rattlesnake's belly in a wheel rut!!

[neuvocat]

69. Shame gets in the way of grabbing power.

The same is true for integrity, morals, and truth. In other words, the answer is "no".

[judaspriestess]

70. It depends if the hispanic community will listen

most of them side with the democratic party. The only Hispanics I know that side with Republicans on a consistent level are Cubans. the majority of the Latinos I work in the community with don't like Bush and don't care what he or the Republican party says, but they are a very trusting and may fall for this bullshit because Bush is seemingly "pro" immigration. I don't think it will happen though....

I have often told many of my Hispanic clients, if Repukes had it their way you would be the maid and gardner forever. They are not for you.

[cyclezealot]

74. Republicans lie so much doubt they know the truth

but, this is the ultimate in gall

[truthisfreedom]

75. wow. they're willing to start themselves on fire to light up a lie?

how can they afford to set themselves up so badly for a "vicious lie" attack?

[sweetheart]

77. What does GOP mean in spanish?

"Greed over People" ... Gente excesiva de la avaricia
"Got Ours Party" ... Conseguido el nuestros el partido

We need some help to translate GOP in to spanish for the
dems to help. ;-)

[LuckyLib]

92. GOP -- Gente en Oposicion al Pais (People Opposed to the Country)

might be one place to start.

[sweetheart]

93. Muchas Gracias!

That is an excellent start! :-) I'm envisioning a whole
version of DU that runs in spanish, at the very least a
full GD, LBN, GDP, version of DU that was spanish for the
millions of democratic voters who would rather speak spanish.

Perhaps if the underground embraced it ahead of mainstream culture,
we could leapfrog an age of divided lingualism, a divided future
voting public and a divided party.

[President Kerry]

80. They are grabbing at straws.

This is worse than a lie (which is a factual inaccuracy communicated for some gain). This is THEM passing an immoral piece of legislation, KNOWING it was immoral, and then blaming their opponent for it. I can't think of anything more despicable. Kinda reminds me of old Red Scare tricks in Italy (i.e. the Bologna bombings) - where groups associated with the government would commit terrorist acts and the government would blame the Communist party. Because political agenda is way more important than human life. Just like the GOP.

It will come to light and bite them in the ass big time. They WILL lose their majority this year. I'll be surprised if they get over 30% of hispanic vote.

[stepnw1f]

81. There Should Be an Immediate Rebuttal and Disclosure on the Facts

The GOP needs to be called out publicly for blatant lies. I smell a lawsuit... how about a civil lawsuit? Is it possible we can make some noise to expose their tactics?

[Clarkie1]

85. This is how politicians on both sides of the aisle behave.

Particularly Republians, but I'm fed up with the whole lot of them except for a few who manage to maintain their integrity against all this partisan game-playing. I doubt there are more than 10% of congress people who put what is best for the country ahead of what is best for them politically.

Edit: It's also the reason why congresspeople make poor presidential candidates. The facts regarding how a particular vote or votes were cast can be twisted to confuse the public. It's unfortunate, but that's the way the legislative process works.

[Norwood]

87. This has to be a joke right?

Theres no way they could possibly be serious! Truly unvelievable! The democrats not only need to strike back but they need to strike back hard! This is simply outrageous, they think America is dumb enough to actually believe this!

[noahmijo]

91. No one in Arizona will fall for that we still remember....

The English Only Bill that was REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN REPUBLICANNNNNNN sponsored all across the board.

And who organized the marches at least in Tucson to oppose this bill?

Democrats, Greens, basically liberals and progressives.


http://bdi.newcomm.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=664
index2.php (application/pdf Object)

[lovuian]

94. Dems need to fire back... but thats ok let the Republicans

hang themselves with this issue...

[BrightKnight]

97. Good, it will backfire

None of the people that went out to demonstrate are not going to buy any of that crap.

The Democrats could easily make a DINO friendly add to counter this without saying anything substantial about the issue.

The repugs stepped a huge pile of their own BS. I think that its great that they want to dive in and swim around in it.

[Zorra]

98. 44% of Hispanic voters voted for Bu*h in 2004. That is an awful lot

of people that voted directly against their own interests.

Since a substantial number of Latinos are not well educated and do not understand English very well, IMO they are highly susceptible to this type of fascist propaganda.

[rocktivity]

102. The end result was to have Hispanics saying

"Well, at least the Republicans TRIED to reform illegal immigration, and they would have succeeded if those darned Democrats hadn't gotten in the way. So I'm voting Repub--once they get full control of the house, senate and white house, they'll be able to help. Un momento--the Repubs ALREADY HAVE full control of the house, senate, and white house!"

:headbang:
rocknation

[Supersedeas]

103. Curly circular Pubby filthy politics

[Proud Liberal Dem]

104. What?

I didn't know we were back in control of the House? I guess it's time to start enacting more of our "liberal Democratic agenda". :toast: Oops! You mean, we're not? Darn! x( The stupidity of this ad is beyond belief.

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[superconnected]

107. you certianly seem to be spreading that same post a lot.

enjoy your short stay.