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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:15 PM
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US Planned to Attack Iran Before Iraq War
April 17, 2006

Everyday new scenarios emerge about a US attack on Iran, which refuses to end its nuclear program.

One of the latest claims suggests that the United States planned to strike Iran before they launched the Iraq War.

William Arkin, a former US Army intelligence officer, defended that an extended war plan against Iran, including the occupation over land, missile attacks and naval operations, was prepared before the Iraq war.

According to Arkin, known for his realistic estimations in relation to the Iraq issue, the name of the planned operation was TIRANNT, an acronym for "Theater Iran Near Term".

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060417&hn=32124



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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:26 PM
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1. Nice we don't get to debate this stuff in Congress anymore.
Democracy was so damn messy.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:07 AM
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11. Are you kidding? The Berry Bonds investigation and hearings
are top priority of the day.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:39 PM
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18. The New GANG Rape Cases have knocked out Natalie Holloway
A Blonde girl in trouble loses out

But a Good "GANG RAPE" bring out the popcorn and peanuts
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:27 AM
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12. immigration
steroids, now those are important issues reserved for congress. :argh:
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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:38 PM
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2. To be uncharacteristically fair,...
... I'd bet cash money that someone at the Pentagon has the job of making sure there's a plan to attack every country on the globe, and keeping the plans up to date. If oil is suddenly discovered in Moldova, there will be an invasion plan already mapped out by some guy in the 3rd basement office in corridor B.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:40 PM
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3. If you are familiar with the PNAC plan
you would know that the plans for invading Iraq and Iran and securing the ME, went far beyond the normal planning that the Pentagon does to protect the US from potential enemies.

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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:46 PM
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9. You must be a looney-left moonbat...
... since you're exactly right. The truth has been right there in the open all along, and the corporate MSM has studiously avoided it.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:37 PM
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6. To be completely fair, these assholes have their eyes on the ME
Chavez's discovery must piss them off,...beyond belief!!!! :rofl:

These fuckers are imperialists to the ozone and to have their control plans fucked by any extingency really chaffs their asses.

I hope their asses are chaffed by justice.

Self-absorbed fuckers!!!! I hope something happens that causes me belief in karma.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:25 PM
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4. How many war fronts can we be engaged in at the same time?
How thin can our military be spread? During the Iran/Iraq war of the past, the US managed to have them fighting each other, while simultaneously, arming both sides. Was a profitable exploit in the past, wonder how much mileage, the ol' boys can get out of it, again? The Arms Cartels, Exxon, and Halliburton, will make out like bandits. We can get the Iraq army trained-up, to go fight the Iranians. And kill them all off. Bwwwwhaaaaaaaahhhaaa
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:08 AM
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14. There's lots of poor kids out their to fill the ranks of cannon fodder..
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AFFIRM Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:28 PM
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5. This is true - there was indeed a plan for Iran
I have not said anything yet lest I be called a conspiracy theorist. However, over a year ago, on an overseas website, I saw this very statement of policy reported. Whats worse is that the plan was not originated by our president. As much as we all want to blame him. No ... it was not his idea.

This goes back to before 9/11. Bush had a meeting with the Israeli's in which the original plans were laid. This was before the now known, "Downing Street Memo" occurred. It was Israel that wanted to see Sadam go away, followed by the regime in Iran. I will indeed research to find this site once again for any who doubt. However, in the meantime, I urge you to question the timing of these two events; the american media finally presses Bush for a pull out time table for Iraq, followed very closely by Iran becoming globally threatening to Israel.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:40 PM
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7. Israel has enough nukes and firearms to destroy the entire region.
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:28 AM
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10. Yes, the plan was called 'A Clean Break'
and it is like the Israeli version of the PNAC plan. As a matter of fact, many of the same people were involved in writing both plans.



A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israel’s socialist institutions—which include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"—undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous government’s "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass— including a palpable sense of national exhaustion—and forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israel’s efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s government comes in with a new set of ideas. While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nation’s streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can:

* Work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll-back some of its most dangerous threats. This implies clean break from the slogan, "comprehensive peace" to a traditional concept of strategy based on balance of power.

* Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas and nurturing alternatives to Arafat’s exclusive grip on Palestinian society.

* Forge a new basis for relations with the United States—stressing self-reliance, maturity, strategic cooperation on areas of mutual concern, and furthering values inherent to the West. This can only be done if Israel takes serious steps to terminate aid, which prevents economic reform.

This report is written with key passages of a possible speech marked TEXT, that highlight the clean break which the new government has an opportunity to make. The body of the report is the commentary explaining the purpose and laying out the strategic context of the passages.

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:46 PM
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8. Clinton chose not to attack Iran, but ordered intell operation that worked
Ofcourse Clinton was a real President unlike the incomptent fool Bush.

In a chapter entitled "That Almost War, 1996," Clarke says former U.S. President Bill Clinton almost launched a war against Iran for what Washington says its support for terrorism against the United States.

However, Clarke says Clinton chose not to attack Iran but ordered an "intelligence operation" that seemed to have worked.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:34 AM
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13. Hello? Corporate MSM?
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 06:35 AM by ShortnFiery
Time to wake the hell up and refocus!

When all our electronics are fried from EMP there won't be much need for even CABLE ... SAT will be toast from the onset of the Nuclear war.

Hey! Get the hell away from "missing white girls", "fraternity scandals" and all that is inane for NATIONAL News.

What the hell happened to our Fourth Estate!?!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:51 AM
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17. Seriously
I just finally watched Good Night and Good Luck. It made me want to weep for the lack of integrity and truth in our media :(
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:19 AM
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15. Iraq must have lost the coin flip...what kind of foreign policy is this?
This is the result of having an economy based on the military-industrial complex...we MUST have continuous war..doesn't matter who or how, but we MUST have war to survive economically. You want to know why the Democrats don't make a squeaak? This is why.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:50 AM
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16. Iran has twice the population and 3 times the land area as Iraq
Iran has twice the population of Iraq, and it appears to have about 3 times the land area. It is not an easy country to attack. Also, remember that we have about 200,000 targets sitting in the neigboring countries of Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, adjacent countries and naval ships. Iran could easily retailate against our service-persons if we attack Iran.
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