Finnerty (charged lacrosse player) charged with assault in D.C.

[DeepModem Mom]

News&Observer: Finnerty charged with assault in D.C.

Collin Finnerty, one of two Duke University lacrosse players charged in the reported rape of a dancer at a March 13 party, has been arrested before.

Finnerty, a lanky sophomore attackman from Chaminade High School, an all-boys Catholic academy in Mineola, N.Y., was arrested last November on assault charges in Washington, D.C.

On March 23, the same day he was ordered to provide DNA samples in Durham for the gang rape investigation, Finnerty was in Washington to face a misdemeanor charge of simple assault.

According to court records, Finnerty and two former Chaminade teammates attacked a man who was driving by The Georgetown Inn on Wisconsin Avenue in the early hours of Nov. 5, "busting his lip and bruising his chin."

The man said that he told them to stop "calling him gay and ... derogatory names."...

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/429880.html

[Pavulon]

1. FYI Southern Bashing Folks

Both the charged are from the North East.

[northzax]

2. ah, but they CHOSE to go to the south

I can't blame someone for where they were born, just where they choose to go. They could easily have played LAX at Hopkins, Syracuse or Princeton, but no, they had to go to the Confederacy.

it's as logical as your statement!

[Pavulon]

5. Scholarships?

Just getting tired of hearing the whole southern racial crap. Like I never heard a racial slur in NY state or NJ.

Duke is a better school than both any way.

[northzax]

10. not for Lacrosse

Syracuse and Hopkins are the gold standards, with Princeton right behind. And I don't think most would agree that Duke undergrad outpaces Princeton.

[Pavulon]

12. I would. Undergrad that is..(nt)

[mahatmakanejeeves]

50. "Syracuse and Hopkins are the gold standards, Princeton right behind."

Not this year.

USILA STX Coaches Polls for Div. I-III (April 17)

[northzax]

77. yes, it's a down year.

but in the last 34 years, hopkins has 8 titles, Syracuse has 8, Princeton has 6, North Carolina has 4, no one else has more than two (and that's Cornell and Virginia). Hopkins (full disclosure, it's my graduate school Alma Mater) has 46 titles in the last 75 years. plus, Syracuse has the best player ever, and there are two candidates.

that's 22 of the last 34 titles, not bad. Add in Virginia, Cornell and Carolina, and the last champion, outside that group, was Maryland in 75.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

80. I have yet to see Hopkins play

I'm in northern VA, and the thought of driving across DC and then across Baltimore too to get to Homewood alwasy gives me pause. Last year was their year; this year not so much.

Best wishes.

[no name no slogan]

23. Oh for pete's sake...

Just because these guys attend a college in "The Confederacy" DOES NOT, let me repeat that, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE RACIST MYSOGYNISTIC ASSHOLES

BTW, did you know that one of the biggest areas of KKK activity in the 1800s was in Indiana-- a "Yankee" state? Did you also know that lynching was also common in the north in the 1800s, NOT just in the south?

Your southern-bashing is quite repulsive, and is just as bad as the neocon bashing of the Northeast. And it makes you look no better than the intolerant asses we're supposed to be fighting against.

:eyes:

[northzax]

29. yes, it does

obviously. and no amount of posting cute pictures will change anything.

of course lynching was common in the North in the 1880s, of course, it was just as common in the South 80 years later. And there were slaves in the North in 1800, as many as in the South. Of course, the North changed voluntarily, the South needed to lose a war. purely the same, no doubt.

hey, if you want to take this shit seriously and throw out meaningless and irrelevant statistics, and use selective reading to make a point, so can I. watch:

no name no slogan:

ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE RACIST MYSOGYNISTIC ASSHOLES

How dare you! see? it's fun. Lesson learned: context is everything.

[no name no slogan]

31. Glad you got your jollies

but your tedious efforts at pigeonholing and stereotyping a part of the country are not doing anybody any good.

Sorry if you think that all racism and classism in this country are confined to the area south of the Mason-Dixon line. I'd invite you up to my lily-white neck of the woods and dispell that notion from your mind forthwith, but I would not want you (or your bass-ackward redneck ilk) in my home.

Good day.

[northzax]

36. I sincerely apologize

for responding to a humorous post with humor. I forgot that the famous Southern sense of humor doesn't extend to ridicule of sacred cows. If you did not see the humor, then I apologize.

By the way, I'm from the Northeast, feel free to mock it all you want, we can take it. I am a New-England born, east-coast, overeducated academic egghead. I'm exactly what the Freepers say I am, and so are many of my friends and family. And we get called names by them (as a resident of DC now, I deal with everone saying how bad DC is, and yet, somehow, I get out of bed in the morning). I've also been a granola-eating latter day dead-head hippie from Oregon. Mock that as well. I sure do.

[no name no slogan]

37. Sorry-- no offense taken, none intended

Lifelong Minnesotan here-- possibly the only state that's more liberal than Taxachussetts (in fact, we're the only state that got bluer in 2004 than in 2000). Minnesota still has a Confederate battle flag it "won" in the Civil War from some regiment in Virginia. Every few years we get a request to return it, but the state still won't give it back. Seems kind of dumb to fight over a trophy from a war that happened 150 years ago, but you know how that goes.
:thumbsup: :hi:

[Patchuli]

78. Neither of you is as liberal as California!

B-) We even have dumb rednecks here. So our point is?

[goclark]

74. And the KKK is alive and well in Sunny California

:( to say.

[Patchuli]

79. Yep, that is sad but true! nt

[movonne]

3. These are really sick puppies....

[LisaL]

22. The gull of this bastard-to not even be at the party during the

rape and still manage to do it?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html

[FredScuttle]

28. How far up your ass does the defense attorney's hand go?

I swear, you're worse than a Whack-A-Mole. Or better yet, a parrot. "Braaaaack! Photos show she was drunk when she arrived! Braaaaack!"

[LisaL]

32. Actually, photos show he was not there when she was drunk.

[Beaverhausen]

35. Oh, you've seen the photos?

and just because he isn't in them doesn't mean he isn't there.

[LisaL]

39. Apparently for you, no fact could indicate that he, in fact,

could be innocent. What particular evidence against him shows he did it?

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[LostinVA]

59. You're cracking me up, Fred!

[FredScuttle]

60. Thank you

as you know, I'll be here all week...tip your waitresses.

[Beaverhausen]

44. I never said he was guilty. I am questioning what the defense is saying

and what *you* keep posting about this case.

[WhiteTara]

46. you seem to have some vested interest in this guy

getting off. What gives?

[LisaL]

66. I don't want innocent people go in prison for crimes they did not

commit. Is that good enough a reason for you?

[WhiteTara]

73. what makes you think they are innocent?

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[Thtwudbeme]

43. That's a pretty bird. However, you should let the parrot's on

fantasy island alone-

;)

Let her enjoy her trip by herself, honestly. If she believes her own crap...then you don't want to get yourself involved--if she doesn't, then she is just trying to push posters over the edge.

Walk away!

no, run!

[Beaverhausen]

47. LOL!!!

:toast:

[superconnected]

48. Do you know this guy personally

or do you defend all accused rapist like this, and attack the victim and the doctors the victim sees?

[Lindacooks]

53. Unless the bank card was surgically attached to his hand,

that is not proof that he wasn't there. ANYBODY else could have used the ATM. Now, if there are pictures of him using the ATM at the exact time the assault was allegedly taking place, that's different. But the defense attorneys don't mention anything about that.

Oh, and BTW, just because there isn't a picture of him at the party doesn't mean he wasn't there.

[FredScuttle]

62. Oh yeah, one more thing

If he truly wasn't at the party and had concrete evidence to prove this...why submit to a DNA test?

[BrownOak]

69. This may be a little too far outside your viewpoint

but try to set your preconceived notions aside for a moment and work from the perspective the guy's friends who were at the party that evening tell him that nothing happened and that he believe them. What does he have to lose by holding back? He knows he's innocent, he knows he has the concrete evidence to support that. So sure, he could step forward and remove his name from the pool of suspects. But since he trusts these guys when they tell him nothing happened and he knows that the alleged victim is going to name one of his friends whom he believes is innocent, why help her narrow the field?

If the guys who weren't at the party tipped their hands early, instead of having to choose three out of 46 guys with maybe 15 of them not at the party, the alleged victim would be choosing 3 out of 31 guys with all of them at the party.

[FredScuttle]

71. You're right....it is a little too far outside my viewpoint

as well as being a million miles away from rational thought.

What does he have to lose by holding back? Well, to start, his clean record now that he's been arraigned on felony counts of kidnapping, rape and sodomy. So much for loyalty to the boys.

So, when the call came in to provide a DNA sample, he thought helping his "innocent" teammates was more important than clearing his name? Who's advising him....My Cousin Vinny?

My guess is that this guy will say he was intimidated into joining the stonewalling of the investigation and only now does he feel that he has to clear his name. Too bad his conscience didn't kick in before he was fitted for a number and a mugshot.

Once again, the world's smallest violin is playing for this asshole :nopity:

[BrownOak]

75. Rational Thought

Why is it rational to assume that 47 guys would uniformly lie to protect someone who is guilty without one of them rolling over to save his own butt.

As for his clean record,if he can in fact prove he was not at the party and is not convicted, it's not that difficult in the State of NC to get an expungement.

Here's a better question though, at what level in the courtroom would you believe an alibi that the defense put forward? Would you believe with witnesses? Would you believe with an ATM receipt? Would you believe with a video?

[FredScuttle]

76. It's rational because it happens every day in every city and town

and we're seeing it play out in this case....initially, the players formed a stonewall in the face of the investigation to protect their own. Now, we can reasonably assume that the DA has a cooperating witness (either a teammate or a party attendee) who probably handed him the "let's kill and skin some strippers" e-mail.

It's not that difficult to clear your criminal record in North Carolina? I bet it's no stroll in the park either. Here's what would have been the least difficult and damaging act of all...clear your name when you have the chance!

Find me one criminal defense attorney who would think this is a cogent strategy...sit on evidence that clears your client, let him refuse to cooperate with the investigation at a point where he's not compelled to do anything, let him submit a DNA test when the court orders him to, let him get charged and put through the system and only then, unveil this shocking evidence.

I'm not believing this bullshit because there isn't a criminal defense lawyer in this country who would be this stupid.

[KoKo]

4. His father has appeared on CNBC/Bear Sterns Securities Investment.

Finnerty is from Garden City, N.Y., a fairly affluent Long Island bedroom community about 26 miles east of New York City. His father, Kevin J. Finnerty, is a senior official with Bear Stearns, a securities trading, investment banking and brokerage firm with headquarters in New York.

Finnerty graduated from Chaminade in 2004 and made the East roster for the National High School Senior Showcase sponsored by U.S. Lacrosse, the national governing body for the sport.

According to the 2005 Duke University lacrosse team guide, Finnerty was an all-conference player at Chaminade. He scored 48 goals and had 22 assists during his senior year at the Marianist order Catholic school.

[CatWoman]

8. isn't Hannity from that area as well?

[AllieB]

9. Massapequa-same as Alec Baldwin, I believe

[Supersedeas]

6. classy

[Beaverhausen]

7. Wow. Nice kid, isn't he?

Will this be brought out in the rape trial?

[LisaL]

15. Well, if he got an alibi, do you think there will be a trial?

"Thomas said “multiple witnesses and a commercial transaction” indicated one of the charged players wasn’t at the party. And defense attorney Robert Ekstrand, who represents other players, said neither Seligmann nor Finnerty was at the party “at the relevant time.”"


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12366767/

[Beaverhausen]

16. of course his attorney would say he wasn't there

what do you expect?

[LisaL]

17. And I supposed the receipts are fake too?

And multiple witnesses?
WTF are you kidding?

[Beaverhausen]

18. What receipts?

Again, you are quoting what the defense is saying. Lets wait for the trial, shall we?

[LisaL]

19. Yes, lets.

Cause I would really like to know how someone who was not even at the party and has multiple witnesses and commercial transaction to prove it managed to rape this woman.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12366767/

[worldgonekrazy]

24. All that is per the defense attorney

What do you expect him to say? Of course he is going to claim his client was innocent. He wouldn't have a job if he didn't, now would he?

I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but I don't think the DA would indict here without some hard evidence. If it does end up that these guys are innocent that DA is going to get buried with allegations of overzealous prosecution, so its not a decision I think they would make on the fly.

[LisaL]

30. You don't think the DA would indict without some hard

evidence? I think you will be in for some major surprise then.

[Lindacooks]

54. Sorry, witnesses are very unreliable.

And a receipt isn't proof he was at the ATM.

[LisaL]

67. Witnesses are unreliable? Then WTF would you assume

this woman would even identify the correct men?
Geez.

[LisaL]

11. Well, the alleged victim got a criminal record herself.

What is your point?

[gatlingforme]

13. I swear you are on the lacrosse team at Duke. n/t

[LisaL]

14. Oh no, I am not.

Does it matter to you that one of the players indicted apparently wasn't even at the party?

Could very well be that guy you have already convicted because he had a criminal record. Or could be the other one-there are only two choices.


"Bill Thomas, a defense attorney representing one of the team captains, said Tuesday that neither Seligmann nor Finnerty had any contact with the woman that night. “We are ... actually shocked,” he said. “We always thought she would pick out someone who at least had a conversation with her or paid her.”

Thomas said “multiple witnesses and a commercial transaction” indicated one of the charged players wasn’t at the party. And defense attorney Robert Ekstrand, who represents other players, said neither Seligmann nor Finnerty was at the party “at the relevant time.”"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12366767/

[FredScuttle]

64. Are "absolutely innocent" people in the habit of submitting to DNA tests?

Or turning themselves in? Oh, I get it...this guy is a martyr!

[BrownOak]

70. Turning himself in...

Well, since there was a warrant issued for his arrest his options were to turn himself in, have the police arrest him and haul him in, or flee.

[FredScuttle]

72. But why did he let it get to that point?

Either this guy is the dumbest suspect on earth or, once again, the defense is farting in the wind with a new goose chase.

[endarkenment]

20. OK so Finnerty is an asshat.

That doesn't prove he raped anybody. The media should shut the fuck up about this case.

[LisaL]

21. What I would like to know-

how did he manage to rape her if he wasn't there (according to his defense he can prove it)? Any ideas?

"Another defense attorney, Bill Thomas, called the indictments "absolutely outrageous."

"The two that they indicted had no contact with this woman whatsoever," he said. "We are shocked, absolutely shocked. We always thought she would pick out someone who at least had a conversation with her."

Sources close to the investigation said Tuesday that the defense will present evidence -- including ATM receipts -- that neither Seligmann, 20, nor Finnerty, 19, were at the team party at the time the alleged rape took place.

A cab driver allegedly carried one of the young men to an ATM, where a security camera captured his picture, the sources said, and the other man was reportedly at a restaurant."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html

Cause we all know he must have done it somehow, someway. Even if he was on Planet Pluto at the time.

:eyes:

[endarkenment]

25. I'm sure the DA will explain his case in court.

Meanwhile I think that the defense legal team, which appears to be quite well funded, is running a major pr campaign to try this case in the media and prejudice as much of the jury pool as they possible can. This is of course entirely legitimate behavior by the defense team. I just wish the media would ignore them and let this case get heard by 12 men and women in a court room instead.

[worldgonekrazy]

26. EXACTLY!

This is total PR spin by the defense. It doesn't mean the guy is guilty, but you can't exactly take it at face value either.

[Beaverhausen]

27. AMEN!!!

See, I can agree with you here even if I disagree with you on the women's clinic/protesters thread. :hi:

[endarkenment]

45. And I can be impossible everywhere! nt.

[LisaL]

33. Don't hold your breath.

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[LisaL]

38. Fantasy of them being innocent?

Well, first of all, they are presumed innocent at this point.
And second of all, do you have any information that they did anything of the sort they are accused of?
Or the fact that one of them has a record means he is guilty in raping this woman?
If anything, I think it's you and people like you that fantasize about them being guilty.

[Thtwudbeme]

40. Nope. I haven't said one way or the other. This fantasy trip is all

yours.

BTW, I watch all those neato tv shows too---going right back to Ironsides...so, like you, I understand the "presumed innocent" thing.

[superconnected]

49. wow. What a piece of work.

So let's get your thought-train straight - the womans story shouldn't be trusted. Her eye witness account means nothing. Her doctors opinions come in question.

But the guys should be believed and presumed innocent no matter what.

Gee, if you gave the woman the same consideration, your stance with the guys would show some integrity.

I'm sure I'm not the only raised eye brow at your one sided justice.

[Ignis]

51. Count me in with one raised eyebrow, superconnected.

And I do think you hit the nail on the head regarding the integrity of the arguments in question.

Why anyone--let alone someone posting on a progressive board--would leap at first chance to swallow every word from a defense attorney's mouth, yet heap nothing but scorn and malice on a rape victim...well, it's difficult to find a logically consistent argument there. Combined with the utter disregard of the poster in question for the opinion of trained medical personnel in a medical matter, this lopsided focus on smearing the victim doesn't seem to support the poster's professed interest in merely preserving the presumption of innocence in American criminal law.

[stepnw1f]

57. No Shit

Third thread on this too...

[madmark]

52. Nancy Grace just had an orgasm

[Beaverhausen]

55. that's just wrong

I did NOT need to get that image in my head. :crazy:

[madmark]

56. well good thing i held back on my post re greta van sustern's ejaculation

[FredScuttle]

58. Just please don't mention Rita Cosby in the throes of ecstasy

We cannot, nay, must not go there.

Although I'm curious....does a Rita Cosby orgasm sound more like an outboard motor or a horse that's just been branded?

[madmark]

61. christ i didnt even think of that one; now even im sick

[FredScuttle]

63. Yeah, that's sort of the point

I bet she hits notes that send dogs into convulsions.

[AllieB]

65. Too funny!

:spray: :rofl:

[YouthInAsia]

68. But that doesnt necessarily make him a rapist.