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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:33 AM
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Famed test pilot missing in flight
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Authorities were searching early Thursday for a small plane registered to a famed test pilot that vanished from radar on Wednesday on a flight from Prattville, Alabama, to Manassas, Virginia.

Air traffic control last had contact with the plane registered to test pilot Scott Crossfield about 11 a.m. Wednesday when it was about 10 miles southwest of Ellijay, Georgia, about 60 miles north of Atlanta, an FAA spokeswoman told CNN.

The spokeswoman said she could not confirm who was aboard the single engine plane.

Crossfield, 84, was the first man to fly the X-15 rocket-powered jet and made aeronautical history in 1953 by becoming the first pilot to fly faster than Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound).

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/20/georgia.plane/index.html


Unfortunately, the weather in that area at that time yesterday looked very much like the weather in that area on April 4, 1977, when Southern Airways flight 242 (DC-9) crashed at New Hope, Georgia, after penetrating a severe thunderstorm and suffering a cracked windshield and a double engine failure. I even commented on that Southern crash in an email to a friend yesterday. I wrote " .. and it looks like the ATL arrivals over RMG (Rome, Ga, NW of ATL) are shut down for a while .. looks like it did when 242 bought the farm.".
I hope Crossfield is found alive and OK. However, yesterday was no day for any 84 year old, test pilot or not, to be out trying to get through that weather monster.

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:38 AM
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1. Damn. Doesn't sound good
I've always had a soft spot for those guys...Yeager, Crossfield, et al.

thunderstorms and planes don't mix well.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:39 AM
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2. Crossfield apparently didn't even have time to trigger the ELT
If the Emergency Locator Transmitter is not triggered, that means that things went awry too rapidly for Crossfield to react.

I hope he beats the odds, though.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:42 AM
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4. Don't those things go off automatically
in the event of a crash?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:31 AM
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26. Supposed to. But they don't always end up intact.
My Cousin was a nurse on a flying ambulance out west and they slammed into a mountain, and the ELT did not survive the wreck.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:02 PM
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29. OMG Ben did your cousin survive?
Sorry to hear about it, in either case.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 12:01 AM
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30. No. All hands lost. nt
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:44 AM
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5. Should activate on impact.
"G" switch, I think.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:50 AM
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6. They're supposed to go off automatically
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 09:51 AM by Canuckistanian
In case of any major damage to an airframe or complete loss of engine power or loss of control surfaces.

I used to work on these things. Yes, there's an emergency ELT switch, but it's only for use if you know you're going down and want to make sure it turns on properly.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:41 AM
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3. Very odd
that he would even attempt it. You don't live to be 84, doing the things he did, by taking unnecessary chances.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:56 AM
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9. He was probably trying to find a hole in the weather
Sometimes it works, sometimes.....

I remember being in a Cessna 421 flying from New Orleans to Lacrosse Wisconsin one spring day. Landed in St. Louis to refuel about 6:00 pm, took off and flew along a big bad front at 20,000 feet for about 80 miles looking for a hole. The pilot saw a hole and in we went. It started closing up and we rocked and rolled and were pummeled by rain and updrafts for about five minutes.

We were lucky the plane didn't break up.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:01 AM
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11. That is what is known as a "sucker hole" ..
Been there, done that too.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:14 AM
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22. Well we don't know what happened.
He could simply have died, at that age.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:53 AM
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7. The X-15 was the first test plane I was aware of
The X-1 was before my time and already history. The X-15, and I guess the X17, were cutting edge and pretty exciting in my youth. Hmmm, an 84 year old pilot in bum weather? Best we can do is chew a stick of Beeman's gum and and reflect on Crossfield's dreams of the sky, and hope.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:56 AM
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8. For you, Scott
High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.


Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee
No 412 squadron, RCAF
Killed 11 December 1941

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:00 AM
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You mean Reagan didn't write that?
:sarcasm:
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:23 AM
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13. Reagan may not have written it,,
but he did have a way with words. Can you imagine GW trying to say that?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:35 AM
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27. Sounds very Raygun to me. Big war hero ya know!
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 11:59 AM by 0007
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:27 AM
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14. One of my favorite poems of all time
And one of the few I've memorized.

When I was a kid, the only TV station in town used that poem to sign off every night.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:25 AM
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23. Not to make light of Crossfield's situation but
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 11:27 AM by never cry wolf
There was a short video that played at the end of the broadcast day on a TV channel in DeKalb called high flight featuring that poem. This was back in the 70's and we always got a great kick watching it in the dorms, stoned out of our gourds...

on edit: My respects to Scott, if he did auger in and buy the farm, I have no doubt he would have preferred being at the controls.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:29 AM
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25. Doesn't make light of it at all.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 11:29 AM by benburch
Recollections of the past are fine at moments like this.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:00 AM
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10. My sister lives up in Ellijay.
Quite a lot of hills and forested terrain. It could be quite difficult to find him.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:15 AM
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12. Just caught this on the AP
His family is referring questions to the Civil Air Patrol. Is that normal procedure? :shrug: It's very strange.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_PLANE?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:27 AM
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15. His family probably has more pressing concerns than PR....
Let them do as they wish.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:13 AM
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21. That is appropriate. nt
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:29 AM
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24. Thanks, Ben
The way I read it, it wasn't even clear that he is the pilot.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:35 AM
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16. Guess even at age 84 the adventure is in your blood
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:39 AM
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18. You bet, and assuming the worst, 'tis a far better exit than
a long suffering illness.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:37 AM
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17. CNN just changed the headline: "Famed test pilot's plane missing"
I guess that is a better headline, semantically speaking.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/20/georgia.plane/index.html



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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:45 AM
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19. There's an airport about 4 nm south of the battlefield
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tonekat Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:56 AM
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20. Was fortunate to meet him in the 80s....a very cool guy!
In the 80's, when my wife worked for the General Aviation Manufacturer's Association. I often got to go to events with her, and as I recall, this occasion was some dinner up on the hill. Spouse was busy doing her thing, the usual stiff industry types were there, and somehow I got to sit with Scott. I knew who he was, and even though I was just some total nobody, new to DC and all, not even in "the biz", he kept up a lively round of conversation with me, and was totally genuine about it. I'll never forget that.

Guy stays in great shape too!

Hope he's OK.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:57 PM
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28. Legendary U.S. Test Pilot Killed
(CBS/AP) Legendary test pilot Scott Crossfield, the first man to fly at twice the speed of sound, was found dead Thursday in the wreckage of a single-engine plane in the mountains of northern Georgia, his son-in-law said.

Searchers discovered the wreckage of a small plane about 50 miles northwest of Atlanta, but the Civil Air Patrol didn't immediately identify the body inside.

Ed Fleming, Crossfield's son-in-law, told The Associated Press from Crossfield's home in Herndon, Va., that family had been told it was Crossfield.

Crossfield's Cessna was last spotted in the same area on Wednesday while on flight from Alabama to northern Virginia. There were thunderstorms in the area when officials lost radar and radio contact with the plane at 11:15 a.m., said Kathleen Bergen, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/20/national/main1522769.shtml


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