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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:17 AM
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18 rich families pay for campaign to kill estate taxes
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:45 PM by newyawker99
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1146040565219270.xml&coll=2

Wednesday, April 26, 2006
Sabrina Eaton
Plain Dealer Bureau

Washington -- Eighteen of America's wealthiest families, including the Timkens of Canton, are bankrolling efforts to permanently repeal estate taxes that would save their families a total of $71.6 billion, according to a report released Tuesday by public interest groups.

Groups funded by the super-rich have engaged in a deceptive campaign to convince the public that estate taxes cause widespread problems for small businesses and family farms when they actually affect about one in 370 estates, said the report released by Public Citizen and Boston-based United for a Fair Economy.

This year, all assets under $2 million for individuals and under $4 million for couples are exempt from estate taxes. Current tax law will boost those exemptions to $3.5 million and $7 million in 2009, eliminate the estate tax in 2010, and reimpose it in 2011 with a $1 million exemption.

The House voted to permanently repeal the estate tax last year, but the measure stalled in the Senate, where 60 votes are needed to override filibusters. Majority Leader Bill Frist says he will bring the bill up in May...


http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0425-04.htm

Public Citizen, UFE Expose Stealth Campaign of Super-Wealthy to Repeal Federal Estate Tax
Report Identifies 18 Families Behind Campaign

WASHINGTON - APRIL 25 - The multimillion- dollar lobbying effort to repeal the federal estate tax has been aggressively led by 18 super-wealthy families, according to a report released today by Public Citizen and United for a Fair Economy at a press conference in Washington, D.C. The report details for the first time the vast money, influence and deceptive marketing techniques behind the rhetoric in the campaign to repeal the tax.

It reveals how 18 families worth a total of $185.5 billion have financed and coordinated a 10-year effort to repeal the estate tax, a move that would collectively net them a windfall of $71.6 billion.

The report, available at http://www.citizen.org , profiles the families and their businesses, which include the families behind Wal-Mart, Gallo wine, Campbell's soup, and Mars Inc., maker of M&Ms. Collectively, the list includes the first- and third- largest privately held companies in the United States, the richest family in Alabama and the world's largest retailer.

These families have sought to keep their activities anonymous by using associations to represent them and by forming a massive coalition of business and trade associations dedicated to pushing for estate tax repeal. The report details the groups they have hidden behind -- the trade associations they have used, the lobbyists they have hired, and the anti-estate tax political action committees, 527s and organizations to which they have donated heavily.

In a massive public relations campaign, the families have also misled the country by giving the mistaken impression that the estate tax affects most Americans. In particular, they have used small businesses and family farms as poster children for repeal, saying that the estate tax destroys both of these groups. But just more than one-fourth of one percent of all estates will owe any estate taxes in 2006. And the American Farm Bureau, a member of the anti-estate tax coalition, was unable when asked by The New York Times to cite a single example of a family being forced to sell its farm because of estate tax liability.

"This report exposes one of the biggest con jobs in recent history," said Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen. "This long-running, secretive campaign funded by some of the country's wealthiest families has relied on deception to bamboozle the public not only about who must pay the estate tax, but about how repealing it will affect the country."


http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=ISO-8859-1&ncl=http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0425-04.htm


Diebold's Political Machine

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

March 5, 2004

...One of the longest-serving Diebold directors is W.R. "Tim" Timken. Like O'Dell, Timken is a Republican loyalist and a major contributor to GOP candidates. Since 1991 the Timken Company and members of the Timken family have contributed more than a million dollars to the Republican Party and to GOP presidential candidates such as George W. Bush. Between 2000 and 2002 alone, Timken's Canton-based bearing and steel company gave more than $350,000 to Republican causes, while Timken himself gave more than $120,000. This year, he is one of George W. Bush's campaign Pioneers, and has already pulled in more than $350,000 for the president's reelection bid...

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html




http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001611.htm

Blogged by Brad on 7/18/2005 @ 4:12pm PT...

Ushering in the Fall of the House of Bush
So Much Unprecedented Corruption, So Little Accountability...

Write your senators, Boyz & giRlz, and urge them to rake this slimeball over the coals. Courtesy of Wayne Madsen:

July 19, 2005 -- President Bush has nominated William Robert Timken, Jr. to be the next U.S. ambassador to Germany. Timken, the head of Canton, Ohio-based Timken Co. and one of the Bush campaign's deep pocketed "Pioneer" half million dollar contributors, also served on the board of directors of Ohio-based Diebold, Inc., the company accused of helping to fix the 2004 presidential elections through the use of faulty and paperless computerized voting machines. Timken conveniently resigned from the board of Diebold on July 5, 2005, just a few weeks prior to Bush nominating him as ambassador to Germany. Note to Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: This will be the first time you will be able to get someone so involved with Diebold and the 2004 election under oath during his confirmation hearings. This is something John Conyers would've dearly loved to do over on the House Judiciary Committee -- but official hearings were blocked by the GOP. Senators Biden, Dodd, Feingold, etc.: don't blow this golden opportunity to grill Timken on what he knows about Diebold chairman Walden O'Dell, his comment that he would "do whatever he could" to put Ohio in Bush's column, and pre-programmed Diebold "election engineering." The GOP will argue it has nothing to do with Timken's qualifications to be an ambassador -- but being involved in a crooked election says everything about Timken's integrity...



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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:18 AM
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1. Publish the addresses of those 18 families? n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:59 AM
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18. Multiple addresses, since they flit from pleasure palace
to pleasure palace here and abroad.

We'll do better by electing real Democrats (should the party run any) who will repeal these "permanent" tax cuts as antidemocratic and leading to the development of a permanent, inherited aristocracy of wealth.

That's the problem, you see. Nobody much cares if spoilt rich brats never have to enter the workforce and spend their lives in idleness and uselessness. What the objection should be is reinstituting the system so many of our ancestors fled from.

Yes, the inheritance tax cutoff should be indexed to inflation/deflation. However, the abolition of it will be a disaster.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:07 AM
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20. Well, I'm looting their houses after The Rapture n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:04 PM
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28. Not me
Think of their TASTE, man.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:43 PM
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40. Taste, you say?
I'm sure chiles and garlic can greatly improve the taste of longpig.

Eat the rich.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:11 PM
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35. Don't harass them at home. Use this info & shut down efforts in the Senate
We have all heard various talking heads and pols referring to 'the Death Tax' and trying to make it seem as if it is something affecting a lot of Americans. Use this info to shed some light on their misrepresentation of the facts.

Use this data to fight bush*s real base, "the Haves and the Have Mores" attempt to further concentrate wealth in America. Get your friends & neighbors to look at the facts and who really has a dog in the fight.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:21 AM
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2. Algorem would you please stop with the class warfare. n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 09:25 AM by BlueManDude
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:24 AM
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3. Hey - I resemble that remark!
K&R

NGU.


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:26 AM
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4. Those 18 Families Have No Class
All they have is money--far too much of it to do them any good. And nerve, a whole lot of nerve!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:28 AM
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6. You are Kidding Right? (nt)
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:35 AM
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10. You are kidding right?
Of course I'm kidding!!!!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:39 AM
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12. lol
I didn't see a sarcasm gif.... I thought you were serious.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:15 PM
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36. Actually, he was series.
Rilly. Onesstly.

:)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:08 AM
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25. So we should sit our our butts and let them walk all over us?
bush and the neo cons have been waging class warfare on us, why can't we fight back?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:53 PM
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33. it isn't warfare
when it is this one-sided it is called "slaughter"
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. If this were little league it would have been called by now.
The Slaughter Rule.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:27 AM
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5. So The Elite Don't Want to Share?
Awwww.... poor, poor babies. Billions just aren't enough... must keep it in the family to build a our aristocracy at the expense of millions of people.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 07:00 PM
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42. Right. They stole it and they want to keep it.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:32 AM
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7. So these people are all family farmers, right? (n/t)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:32 AM
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8. What, they want to try and take it with them when they die?
Is there an entrance fee at the pearly gates?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:33 AM
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9. Clearly ignorance knows no financial/ecnomic boundaries.
Greedy selfish bastards who have no clue how the tax actually benefits not only the despised unwashed masses, but the greedy selfish bastards too.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:38 AM
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11. Never has so much been given to so few for such poor reasons
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:40 AM
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13. Cutting taxes on the RICH,
Cutting taxes on the RICH = RAISING taxes on those who WORK for a living!

Someone must pay the bills.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
58. You've got it! No tax on investments means all taxes will be on wages
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:41 AM
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14. Do the private schools these people attend...
Do these private schools ever include The French Revolution in their curriculum?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:03 AM
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19. Lol! Bet they don't. Bet they just babysit the brats like they did w/Bush
Hand out whatever grades their parents paid for when the term is up. Next!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 11:36 AM
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26. Funny you should mention that.
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:09 PM by Gormy Cuss
I went to college with the heir of one of the mentioned fortunes. He was a nice enough kid, but no intellectual and utterly clueless about the way most people lived. As best I could tell college was just a communal living situation where he could get high all day, every day, before assuming one of those made up important jobs of the idle rich. You know, jobs like sitting on corporate boards or being the nominal head of the family charitable trust, socializing, jet-setting, etc. It sounded like hard work.
:rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:24 PM
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39. My aunt & uncle had friends whose 38 yr old son was still a student
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM by SoCalDem
He was married, had 3 kids, and "lived in one of their homes... on a trust fund"..He hadn't decided "what he wanted to be", yet.. He would take his family to Greece while he studied there, or to France or England.. the children had tutors who traveled with them.

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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:42 AM
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15. Remember Herman Blume!!!
"Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and your going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you."
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:46 AM
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16. Loathesome..... n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:55 AM
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17. You can take a freeper out of the trailer, but you can't take the
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 10:15 AM by Zorra
trailer out of the freeper.

Indeed, these people have absolutely no class. Sneaking around, instituting a propaganda campaign, controlling our republican congress....I wonder if these folks know anything about the French revolution? Bastille Day?

Welp, Wal-Mart, Campbells, Mars,and Gallo really need to be boycotted if anyone is not already doing so, and an investigation needs to be done in order to determine which republican legislators have received gifts from these families in exchange for these political favors connected with this privately funded push to repeal the estate tax.

Because this is now a given. These families are, without doubt, giving big time illegal money to republicans in congress, probably depositing it in secret off-shore accounts. If Dems get control of the House, a thorough investigation of the proponents of the repeal of the estate tax is warranted.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #17
45. I think of all the winos that made Gallo rich
then they put their 'wine' in a bottle with a cork,and suddenly it's chique.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:57 AM
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47. Lots of Bums drink MD 20/20
That shit will give you a MONSTER hangover.

Its an "Out of World\Body" experience to get drunk on that stuff.

Only "Schlitz Bull Ice Malt Liquor" is worse
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 07:58 PM
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50. Mad Dog 20/20
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 08:00 PM by formercia
about like red rose.....

Mateus...buy it for the bottle. Throw the wine away.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 12:25 PM
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53. Ah yes Mad Dog
One could howl up a storm on that stuff.

I remember when the price was (thirty twice) sixty cents.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 01:33 PM
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54. Pint or fifth?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 02:55 PM
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57.  A Pint gets you going
A true affectionado appreciates the bouquet and hardiness.

The taste that remains in the mouth well after swallowing.

The long finish indicates this wine is of a good quality.

All all flavour and taste components are in almost miraculous harmony.

A second or even third pint later "Seals the Deal"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:23 AM
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21. Guilotine.
It's worked before.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #21
49. And then CSI should do an epsidoe about something like that
to scare the hell out of super rich
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:30 AM
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22. The face of greed.
When way too much is not enough.

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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:19 PM
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38. And the tiny tip of the iceberg.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:56 AM
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23. "Free" speech, pardon the pun. Shouting fire in crowded theater...
My vocal cords are worn out and I'm relatively poor, but when my voice (and means to influence my elected representatives) is shouted down by the wealthiest amongst us, who are actually a small proportion of the vast population, then that mode of "free speech" needs to be rigidly REGULATED and LIMITED or CAPPED.

We're not playing on a level paying field. Did my spell check work ?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:59 AM
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:03 PM
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27. And the far right media will spread the lies
and repeat the propaganda over and over and over.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:17 PM
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29. Send Sabrina Eaton of The Plain Dealer some support for this!
seaton@plaind.com Or call at 216-999-4212.

Thank her for bringing some real numbers to the discussion. Let the paper know you are glad they support some real journalism.

Now we have more facts with which to refute the emotion trigger talking points being used by the shills hired by the rich and infamous to confuse the public on this issue.

One wonders how many fabulously wealthy matriarchs and patriarchs are hooked to machines, staying alive until the scions have bought enough Senators to assure they get to keep all the booty when they nod to attending physicians that, 'Yes, the time has come to pull the plug and accept the inevitable'.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:19 PM
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30. If the "old" estate tax comes back, as planned....
I'm sure many a plug will be pulled just before the change.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:23 PM
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31. Nah, the 'kids' will be counting on getting their way, as usual
and keep the ventilators going until enough of the Congress is bought and paid for. They are probably getting restless, though. Can't help but thing of Prince Charles, wondering, with every ache and pain, if he will outlive his stubborn mother ;)
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:34 PM
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32. I just knew those WallyWorld pigs would be on the list.
.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:04 PM
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34. This country was founded on principles AGAINST inherited wealth.
These 18 families want a nobility-peerage system. That's what inherited wealth creates.

I say SCREW THEM!!!

This country needs to be AGAINST such things. The wealth you made in your lifetime should go to better society, not your brats.

Call it class warfare if you want. I'm a peasant, I oppose the landed gentry in all its forms.
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 01:17 PM
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37. there was no inheritance tax when this country was founded . . .
or for the next hundred years. I do not think the inheritance tax law was passed until the early 1900s, though I am not sure. Does anyone have the date?
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 05:11 PM
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41. What about the alternative minimum tax going now to the $50,000
to 120,000 income tax range? If they repeal the estate taxes for those blow hards its one more thing we repeal when they lose control of the house.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 07:05 PM
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43. Like Will Rogers said, "We have the best politicians money can buy"


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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 10:56 AM
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46. Fellow winedrinkers- Here's a list of Gallo's other brands.
MacMurray Ranch:
Louis M. Martini:
Indigo Hills:
Frei Brothers Reserve:
Bridlewood Winery:
Anapamu Cellars:
Marcelina Vineyards:
Mirassou:
Napa Valley Vineyards:
Rancho Zabaco Winery:
Turning Leaf Coastal Reserve:
Bella Sera:
Black Swan:
Da VINCI:
Ecco Domani:
McWilliams Hanwood Estate:
Red Bicyclette:
Whitehaven:
Turning Leaf:
Redwood Creek:
Gossamer Bay:
Livingston Cellars:
Carlo Rossi:
Peter Vella:
Wild Vines:
Indigo Hills Blanc de Blancs
Tott's:Ballatore Spumante:
André:
E&J Cognac & Brandy:
E&J Cask & CreamTM

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:31 PM
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48. What I don't understand is why they think they should get somebody elses
money for nothing?

The money didn't belong to anybody except the person that died. And that person's money was supposedly taxed at the appropriate rate.

When that person receives money from someone else after they die they didn't earn it. If they had earned it taxes would had been deducted from it too.

As for family farmers complaining about going broke because of the estate tax. That is total bull hockey. My father never knew anyone that ended up going broke or selling the farm because of that type of situation. Even then, if sons of the farmer were partners of the business then that part of the farm owned by the partner would end up with an estate tax. Just the portion that was owned by the deceased. AND AND AND those partners are receiving wages and expenses for their part in the business.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:10 PM
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51. You really don't understand why?
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 08:10 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
Or was that a turn of phrase?

In the former case, it's because they're the ELITE. :rofl:

In the latter case, "The Password is 'Special'"

















eta: f'n apostrophe!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:05 PM
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52. Go to the site and check out the report
The numbers will make you sick to your stomach.

Just what do these people do with all that money? When you consider how much Bill Gates has been able to do/is doing with his money, the astounding avarice these families exhibit is beyond belief. If they don't want to pay taxes, then these families could be saving literally millions of lives by paying for medical research, health care programs, educational programs, etc.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 01:38 PM
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56. Bill Gates Jr. and Sr. are rich people with a sense of citizenship
Edited on Fri Apr-28-06 01:38 PM by brentspeak
Besides the sad fact that Gates Jr. has donated heavily to the GOP, he has put his money where his mouth is and funded quite a lot of charities and foundations.

Bill Gates,Sr. (his father) is one of the heads of the group of wealthy Americans who are opposed to repealing the estate tax.

The Gates are the polar opposite of greedy jerks like Lee Raymond and most members of the Walton family.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 01:38 PM
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55. Is this what they're calling the death tax?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 01:17 AM
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59. I'm going to use this on my show tonight
so I'll kick it to the front.
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