Hizbollah sees Bush as top terrorist

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

24 minutes ago

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group said President Bush should be named the world's top terrorist, responding to a U.S. official report that did not remove the group from a list of terrorist organizations.


The State Department's 2005 Country Reports on Terrorism, released on Friday, also kept
Syria and Iran, Hizbollah's main backers, on its list of state sponsors of terrorism. The report said Iran provided Hizbollah with extensive funding and weapons.

"The person who deserves to be on top of the terrorists' list is the President Bush and his aides who filled the world with prisons," Hizbollah said in a statement.

"Hizbollah considers being on the U.S. terrorism list as a medal for its fighters and a confirmation that its stance and policies against the Zionist aggression and American hegemony are correct," said the statement, received late on Saturday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060430/ts_nm/lebanon_usa_hizbollah_dc_1

[Pavulon]

1. Translation

Were really hurt that you choose not to give us a bunch of money. Hopefully the people who listen to us will blame the US and those evil Jews for the shitty lives they live.

[barb162]

2. They are terrorists plain and simple

and they belong on the US terror list.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/#6

" snip
What major attacks is Hezbollah responsible for?
Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:

a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;
the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;
the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head;
and two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).
snip"

[ixion]

3. The US is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world

and Israel is either number 2, or not far behind.


That's my opinion, but it's also the opinion of Noam Chomsky, who happens to rock.

[barb162]

4. "...killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut..."

I have to disagree; this is a really bad group

[IndianaGreen]

6. How many civilians did the US Navy kill with its shelling of Beirut?

That is what led to the retaliatory attack on the Marines, together with our stupid support of the Christian Phalange.

Those that live by the sword, shall die by it.

[barb162]

8. I don't know, but I wish when things "go bad" in certain areas

of the world, we'd stay out of it or let the UN get a task force together.

[IndianaGreen]

12. We were welcomed as liberators by the Lebanese, particularly the Shias

but we choose sides, the wrong side, and we used military force against the Shia. Shelling Beirut was a war crime. Blowing up the Marine barracks was revenge!

PS: Ronald Reagan had enough sense to pull the troops out at once!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Not sure it was "sense."

More like: "Oh, fuck!"

[Zhade]

42. "I don't know"

Exactly - you don't know all the facts about the Beirut situation, so why do you attempt to use it as an argument?

You're just making it easy to defeat that argument, as IG kinda did.

[mallard]

36. Re: "the retaliatory attack on the Marines"

Yes and although I don't recall Reagan inviting Israel to invade Lebanon in '82, that event had stirred quite a call for revenge by nationalists recruited into this kind of terrorist 'organization' seeking payback.

People who might agree the invasion of Iraq has been another futile exercise in created an enemy where one didn't previously exist, might also take a lesson ignored from that '82 invasion.

Without the violent enemy invasions create, there's no room for escalated confrontation, for the counter-charges of racism over horrific labels like 'evil', getting pushed as if invasion were less significant.

Yes we have made our enemies in partnership with Isael, no doubt about it. Can they be totally demonized for hating us when cause death displacement and even torure detainees who may be innocent?

Israel was wrong to invade back then, wrong to bomb Saddam's nuke plant the year before. Am I an evil element for saying blatant opportunistic acts of war are not the way to go?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. Worse than killing 100,000 Iraqis and 40,000 Afghans? I don't think so.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. anything to back that up?

[snooper2]

24. yep...

The opposite side of the same fundamentalist coin...

[IndianaGreen]

33. 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Friday October 29, 2004
The Guardian

About 100,000 Iraqi civilians - half of them women and children - have died in Iraq since the invasion, mostly as a result of airstrikes by coalition forces, according to the first reliable study of the death toll from Iraqi and US public health experts.
The study, which was carried out in 33 randomly-chosen neighbourhoods of Iraq representative of the entire population, shows that violence is now the leading cause of death in Iraq. Before the invasion, most people died of heart attacks, stroke and chronic illness. The risk of a violent death is now 58 times higher than it was before the invasion.

Last night the Lancet medical journal fast-tracked the survey to publication on its website after rapid, but extensive peer review and editing because, said Lancet editor Richard Horton, "of its importance to the evolving security situation in Iraq". But the findings raised important questions also for the governments of the United Sates and Britain who, said Dr Horton in a commentary, "must have considered the likely effects of their actions for civilians".

The research was led by Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore. Five of the six Iraqi interviewers who went to the 988 households in the survey were doctors and all those involved in the research on the ground, says the paper, risked their lives to collect the data. Householders were asked about births and deaths in the 14.6 months before the March 2003 invasion, and births and deaths in the 17.8 months afterwards.

When death certificates were not available, there were good reasons, say the authors. "We think it is unlikely that deaths were falsely recorded. Interviewers also believed that in the Iraqi culture it was unlikely for respondents to fabricate deaths," they write.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html

[ixion]

34. here ya go...

straight from Mr. Chomsky himself.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/1101chomsky.htm

[Spinoza]

57. Chomsky may be a dubious source for

moral rectitude:

A well known Chomsky quotation:

>snip ""I see no anti-Semitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers or even denial of the Holocaust." <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Russil_Wvong/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky
(Scroll down to about middle of the page under 'The Faurisson Affair')

[The Thomenator]

18. BushCo is the largest, most powerful cabal of terrorists on the planet.

Under their reign, tens of thousands of people have been murdered, maimed, destroyed, pulverized, displaced, incarcerated, or otherwise eradicated. It makes no difference how the fear is sown - the US just happens to have better measures and toys for doing so. Hezbollah is right.

[The Stranger]

25. If we have learned anything, it is that NOTHING IS "PLAIN AND SIMPLE"

Bush and the lying, bloodlusting Right Wing would like to make everything "plain and simple," BUT IT IS ANYTHING BUT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Thank you.

[Vidar]

5. Hizbollah are pure scum, but they're right on this.

[Zhade]

43. Broken clock, and all that.

Hey, it happens.

It's not like the REST of the world doesn't already know this.

[sweetheart]

7. Sometimes truth comes from those with nothing to lose

All of "us" are sycophants who want to take over from
bush in the big terrorist chair, so of course the american
opposition will bleed propaganda against Haz-Bull-Aah!

But they are right. Bush's terrorist have summarily executed
or caused the distruption and anarchy of terrorism for
more people than hisbullhaha has ever done.

[BayCityProgressive]

9. Hizbollah

are a bunch of nut cases. They deserve to be on the terrorist list. They cling to power and continue their corruption and recruitment by blaming everything on Jews...gee sound familiar? Last time I checked the US is a relatively free and fair society and Israel is the only real democracy with actual rights for minorities in the middle east. Maybe when these wack jobs and the others in the Middle East like them accept that they themselves are the source of most of their own problems, they can finally move out of the dark ages!

[ConcernedCanuk]

11. "the US is a relatively free and fair society" - ummm I don't think so

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and neither do a whole lot of other countries in the world

But we could all be wrong . . .

[BayCityProgressive]

13. yeah okay

and most of the countries that dont are dictatorships themselves. Sorry, I'll take my own personal experience from living here over the words of Palestine, North Korea, Iran,Cuba and Osama Bin Laden. Thanks!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Sorry, but our world is changing rapidly into the world that you....

...don't like. In fact, in December of 2000, we became a dictatorship ourselves. And it's gotten progressively worse since then.

If you don't believe me, take some time tomorrow to take a good look around you.

[northzax]

19. will do

and then I will take a poll of citizens in the rest of the world. Outside of Western Europe and a couple of other enclaves, I guarantee you that a large majority of people would take the average life of an American, with the freedoms we currently enjoy, try it. ask a peasant in Russia if they'd rather be a farmer in Iowa. Ask a factory worker in China, or pretty much anyone in Africa. Ask a lawyer in Vietnam, or the million Latinos who move here every year.

Ask yourself why, if it's so oppresive here, that there is not a single country in the world that the US has a net immigration/emmigration loss to. There is not one place in the world that more Americans are moving to than people from that country want to move here. There is not a single country in the world, not one, that the US has an immigration quota for (And that's pretty much all of them) that the quota wasn't filled in 2005. There are waitlists from Germany, France and yes, even Canada.

Go live under a real dictatorship, and then realize that you don't actually live in one.

[Name removed]

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. The old stale "love it or leave it" line. Leave that crap at the door....

If you don't understand what's happening to this country, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

Let's see how many people want to come to the U. S. in another three years from now.

What none of those people understand is what it actually takes to live in the U. S. They have no idea what they will have to earn to live in the style they think they're seeing in America. Unless you have a technical skill that is in huge demand in the U. S., your standard of living won't be much better than it was in the country you left.

[northzax]

38. I didn't say leave

I said go experience what real oppression feels like, before you start claiming oppression on your own. It's the exact same thing that I tell the fundamentalists who claim oppression. Go live in a Stalinist state, go live under a military dictatorship. I know what living in a police state is like, at least as an outsider (I spent a year in the Soviet Union) and 2006 USA isn't even in the ballpark. I mean it's not even close.

we obviously have some problems, no question. But to compare those problems to those of people living under real oppression, under real terror of their government and or military, and casually use words like 'dictatorship' really diminishes the very real problems of others, and distracts attention from our own. words matter.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

50. Oh....you spent a WHOLE year in the Soviet Union....

...and that entitles you to state that you know what living in a dictatorship is like? LOL. You've got a lot of nerve, I'll give you that.

If you can't recognize the political system in which you're currently living, why should we believe anything you have to say on this subject?

[northzax]

54. ok, ok, you win

sorry for the delay in responding, the secret police detained me and beat me for posting on DU. later, I hope they will release the rest of my family, currently held to punish me for my traitorous views.

So it's money time. Literally. I will give you a chance to anonymously (that way the secret police won't drag you out of your bed in the middle of the night and take you away, since this is a dictatorship, after all) For the record, for every answer you can provide below, I will donate $5 to the revolutionary sect of your choice (in cash, of course, since I don't want the Secret Police to drag me away later on)

a: List the totalitarian states or dictatorships you have lived in. I won't accept the US for this purpose.
b: list the initials, I don't even want the full names, of the people you know, personally, who have been arrested and held, as a political prisoner in any country.
c: Double Bonus: list the names of the people you know, personally, who have been arrested and held as a polticial prisoner in the United States.

and then we'll talk about how much you know about dictatorships. I have lived over half my life outside the US. I spend 3-4 months a year, on average, outside the US at this point for business. I have been to war zones, I have been to famine stricken areas, I have seen the grinding poverty that oppresses so much of the world (including in the US, I've seen that, as well) So you want to talk about how the US is an awful place to live? it may be, but it's still in the top five globally, and in the top two for immigration possibilities (Canada is also about as welcoming for immigrants, but no one else really is)

My problem is with your hyperbole, it's frankly insulting to the billions of people who really DO live under a dictatorship. go educate yourself about the world, it's a big place.

[Zhade]

45. Here, educate yourself:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4116 - 17th place in terms of freedom of the press (I thought higher, actually).

Just ONE example of how "free" we are.

[ixion]

35. yeah, neither fair nor free

very far from it, IMO.

[Zhade]

44. Yeah, we're down the list on a lot of important freedoms...

...like, say, freedom of the press (17th in the world), and we have more people in prison ration-wise than any other industrialized nation, plus our government spies on us, tortures 'terrorists', disappears people at will, deprives American citizens of the right to counsel as they decide, and the 'president' thinks he can just disobey laws anytime he wants --

But we're SO FREE!

:rofl:

Some people need to rip their fucking blinders off already.

[ConcernedCanuk]

48. Umm - sorta forgot a biggie there - the execution ratio of criminals

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Y'all got the "Texecutioner" as your leader

He loved killing people as a Governor - his OWN citizens

The slaughter in the Middle East is just a "glorious" thing for Junior

And spreading all that Depleted Uranium around (that had been banned for over 60 years before "daddy" started using it in Gulf War 1)

He'll be responsible for killing people for decades if not millenniums after he's dead and gone!

Number One serial killer of the Planet!!

Certainly a MAJOR wet dream for a serial killer IMO

Adolf -

You've been out-done by a MUCH superior master of genocide in this planet's history.

And the rest of us are letting it happen . . .

(sigh)

[Richardson08]

28. Hezbollah are a bunch of terrorist scumbags...case closed

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. Just curious, but how many people have been killed by Hezbollah?...

...Is it more than the 100,000 dead Iraqis, and/or 40,000 dead Afghans in the Middle East?

How about the tens of thousands of dead Central Americans, South Americans, and those that lived in the Caribbean Basin?

How about the 50,000 dead Vietnamese from Operation Phoenix?

Who do you think is responsible for all of the above?

What's your definition of terrorism?

[Zhade]

46. "Killing of innocents that WE don't do."

THAT'S his definition, probably.

You'd think, six years into this murderous b*s* regime, that no one would still be THIS blind.

[northzax]

10. aw, is poor wittle hezbollah jealous?

cause someone else is better at their crappy little game than they are? ooh, poor babies, first Hamas starts getting all the attention, and now they can't even get off the US Terrorism lists. poor babies. sad. so sad.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. Tell me what the NeoCon Junta has done to make the world safer....

...I bet you won't be able to find anything of note. In fact, Hezbollah is correct in their assessmant of His Chimpness and his Merry Monkey Minions.

IMHO, that's the saddest thing about this entire mess.

[northzax]

20. whatever

Frankly, I don't listen to Hezbollah, they have their own real issues. And anytime someone starts saying that someone else is even worse than they are? that's sad and pathetic.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. Just curious, but how many people have been killed by Hezbollah?....

...Is it more than the 100,000 dead Iraqis, and/or 40,000 dead Afghans in the Middle East?

How about the tens of thousands of dead Central Americans, South Americans, and those that lived in the Caribbean Basin?

How about the 50,000 dead Vietnamese from Operation Phoenix?

Who do you think is responsible for all of the above?

What's your definition of terrorism?

[northzax]

39. terrorism is violence perpetrated for the reason of political intimidation

by a (and pay attention here, this part's important) non-state actor Terrorism can be sponsored by a state, or done on behalf of a state, but the minute it is committed BY a state, it ceases being terrorism and becomes an act of war.

see how that works? Hezbollah is not a geopoltiical entity, last time I checked, there is no country of Hezbollah on anyone's map (or could you post one and point out where Hezbollah is? It seems to have been forgotten when my Atlas was drawn. I'd appreciate it, thanks) the USA is, in fact, a geopolitical entity. When Hezbollah acts, it acts in the name of Hezbollah. When the US government acts, it acts in the name of 300 million Americans. one is terrorism, the other war (and yes, perhaps, a war crime.)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

49. And the NeoCon Junta would never do that...is that what you're saying?...

...And skip the condescending, personally insulting attitude. You might find you have better conversations with people who clearly know more than you on this subject.

[northzax]

55. let me state this in simple words.

a government cannot, in it's official role, commit an act of terrorism. and why is that exactly? because terrorism, by definition, is an act of a non-state actor. The 'neocon junta' of which you speak is the government of the United States. Anyone who works for the government of the United States cannot commit terrorism, because they are acting on behalf of a government.

let me try another analogy. Hezbollah fires rockets into a populated area of Israel and kills civilians. that is an act of terrorism. The Us Marine Corps fires rockets into a populated area of Fallujah and kills civilians. That would be a war crime.

see?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

52. What's really "sad and pathetic" is someone who doesn't have....

...a clue about the political system in which he lives. It's actually worse than "sad and pathetic", it's inexcusably ignorant, IMHO.

[northzax]

56. for once, we agree on something.

what a shock.

[mallard]

40. Re: poor little babies

Of course there wouldn't be any Hizbollah if it weren't for the way Palestinians were radicalized by totally unprecedented displacements.

Israel and the US policy totally serve the one side and the 'process' of never ever fairly resolving the Palestinian Question is completely reliant on being able to dehumanize the other side because they've been systematically driven to violence and driven nuts.

It's not something worthy of playful mocking.

Wars of aggression against civilians bear these resultant militant reactioanry groups which only serve to extend the conflict. Claims of moral superiority don't solve the problems esp when backed my military occupation.

[Rhiannon12866]

23. How soon before Bush* is responsible for as many Iraqi deaths as Saddam?

No wonder he's lost credibility in the world and is regarded as a terrorist even by terrorists...:eyes:

As for the I/P crisis, what has he done about this, other than ignore it?;(

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. I think the NeoCons have gone way past Saddam's alleged...

...death count. Remember, the only sources claiming that Saddam killed "X" number of Iraqis/Kurds are the people that are now in power in Iraq along with the NeoCon Junta that took power in the U. S. in December 2000.

[Rhiannon12866]

41. This reminded me of a long-ago article in "The Onion"

in which Saddam was boasting that he still had killed more Iraqis than Bush* had. I agree that it's no longer true. Another justification for the invasion bites the dust.

And I am well aware that they're serial liars, willing to say anything that supports their cause and expecting, with good reason, that the majority of the public will swallow it. But I still believe that the Iranians were responsible for the deaths of the Kurds in 1988.

[pinniped]

26. I see nothing wrong with their statement.

* is a freaking terrorist.

terrorist- a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

[Zhade]

47. If what the Iraqi people are undergoing isn't considered terrorism...

...than I daresay some DUers have lost their moral compass.

[ConcernedCanuk]

51. "some DUers have lost their moral compass." - sadly, you may be correct .

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(sigh)

[TankLV]

32. So do I and my entire family plus a lot of others!

Not really news there!

[gulliver]

37. "Thanks, Hisbollah!" said George W. Bush.

"Give 'em the mike Tony! Let 'em talk!"

[The Straight Story]

53. Do they define terrorist?

Inquiring minds want to know what their definition of it is.