SJC: Gay marriage legal in Mass.

[Adamocrat]

Gay marriage is legal under the state Constitution, the state Supreme Judicial Court ruled today in a closely watched case. In their decision, the justices said the state Constitution "affirms the dignity and equality" of all people. The decision makes Massachusetts the only state in the union to recognize marriage between same-sex couples. -- Developing

http://www.boston.com/

[DUreader]

1. V

on edit: V is for Victory

[La_Serpiente]

2. Ahhhhh

what is going to happen? Ahhhh....what is Delay going to shove through the Congress.

[papau]

3. A bit more detail

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/18/gay_marriage.htm

Massachusetts court rules ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional
By Associated Press, 11/18/2003
BOSTON -- Massachusetts' highest court ruled Tuesday that same-sex couples are legally entitled to wed under the state constitution, but stopped short of allowing marriage licenses to be issued to the couples who challenged the law.

The court ruled 4-3, ordering the Legislature to come up with a solution within 180 days.

The Supreme Judicial Court's ruling closely matches the 1999 Vermont Supreme Court decision, which led there to the Legislature's approval in 2000 of civil unions that give couples many of the same benefits of marriage.

The decision is the latest in a series of victories for gay rights advocates, but fell short of what the seven couples who sued the state had hoped to receive: the right to marry their longtime companion.
The Massachusetts question will now return to the Legislature, which already is considering a constitutional amendment that would legally define a marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The state's powerful Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran of Boston, has endorsed this proposal.<snip>

[MoonAndSun]

4. Good for Massachusetts,

eom

[underpants]

5. Good

:thumbsup:

[Sal316]

6. It's about time!

:party::bounce::party:

Good for MA, good for society!

[Vikingking66]

7. Ah Massachusetts, my home state tis of thee

Seriously, I know that there are a bunch of people at my high school's Gay-Straight Alliance who must feel like it's Brown V. Board of Ed all over again.

The religious right is going to kick in to overdrive, y'all.
Remember your biblical quotations about "judge not, lest ye be judged"
and hit back!

[Mountainman]

8. That popping sound you hear is the sound of wing nut's heads exploding

[Maeve]

10. And I thought it was champagne corks!

Bit of both, I suspect...

[Democrats unite]

9. I will never give up hope...

Until all are equal in America.

[TahitiNut]

11. "Massachusetts court rules ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional"

Massachusetts court rules ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional

[Bill McBlueState]

12. the battle's not over

The Massachusetts question will now return to the Legislature, which already is considering a constitutional amendment that would legally define a marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The state's powerful Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran of Boston, has endorsed this proposal.

I think it's time to get ready for some hardcore activism. Finneran and his goons can be beaten, but it takes dedication. I'm so proud of my adopted state today.

[La_Serpiente]

24. Ahh

[beyurslf]

30. Even with an Ammdt defining marriage as between a man and

a woman, the ruling stands that the Constitution upholds the equality of all. I think they are in the same place Vermont was. They can ban gay marriage but are forced to grant the rights and responsibilities of marriage to all people. They can call it civil unions if they want, but they don't seem to have much choice.

[Trek234]

41. Is that true though?

Apparently this was based on the Mass constitution granting "equality and dignity" for all. If the state constitution is amended to have that line scratched, doesn't this ruling no longer stand?

[cjbuchanan]

13. It is a happy day

Finally moving forward. Let's hope that more states move in this direction.

[MoonAndSun]

14. Yahoo link....

<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=3&u=/ap/20031118/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage>


snip> The ruling closely matches the 1999 Vermont Supreme Court decision, which led to its Legislature's approval in 2000 of civil unions that give couples many of the same benefits of marriage.


The decision is the latest in a series of victories for gay rights advocates, but fell short of what the seven couples who sued the state had hoped to receive: the right to marry their longtime companion.


The Massachusetts question will now return to the Legislature, which already is considering a constitutional amendment that would legally define a marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The state's powerful Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran of Boston, has endorsed this proposal.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. Impact

To be honest, all this does is force Congress to act to stop it. And they will.

[Trek234]

42. Then it is time

For a legit democratic filibuster in the senate.

[nofurylike]

55. sadly

finneran is democrat. one of those that make me nervous about some of the old democratic party. remember human rights can be mitigated by just who a given powermonger considers human.

so, we must be ever vigilant in defining what we stand for. we mustn't be too quick to trust good ol boys just because they exploitively abuse the concepts of democracy and humanity.

http://wbz4.com/iteam/local_story_141170124.html

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE THOMAS M. FINNERAN
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE THOMAS M. FINNERAN. State House Room 356 Boston,
MA 02133 Telephone: [phone]. Party Affiliation - DEMOCRAT. ...


I-Team investigation - Tom Finneran

May 21, 2003 5:00 pm US/Eastern
An exclusive I-Team investigation.

The focus--house speaker Tom Finneran.
The politician responsible for spending millions of your tax dollars on legislative perks.

The I-Team has found that the speaker actually changed his district to make it easier for him to win re-election.

I-Team Reporter Joe Bergantino on how Finneran's backroom maneuvers are costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars.

There is a stark contrast between Tom Finneran --who is white and Irish...
And the neighborhood he lives in and represents.

The Mattapan section of Boston--where Finneran lives-- is about 95 per cent people of color.

So how has Finneran managed to get re-elected from this area time and time again?

George Pillsbury, Money and Politics Project:
"He took out thousands of black voters and he put in thousands of white voters and he did this in a calculated way to insure he could win re-election."

As one of the state's most powerful politicians, Finneran has a lot of say in how legislative districts get created.

[soleft]

15. Yay! and brace yourself for the backlash

There's going to be alot of hate and ugliness spewed in the media.

[Maeve]

19. Yeah, we know what Rush's main topic will be !

:eyes:

[bushisanidiot]

23. Freepers Will Be So Filled With Hatred That Their True Anti-American

colors will show loud and proud. They don't give a damn about civil liberties. They want the KKK to come out of the closet and start kicking some a** again.. they'll show themselves and it will be the downfall of their party.


I can't stop smiling!!!!

[janx]

26. I just went over there to see the reaction...

They got all the way to post 88 before someone called for civil war.

[bushisanidiot]

31. They Can Just Bring it the F*** On!

women's rugby contingent reporting in for duty!!

[Endangered Specie]

37. Yeah, "Bring it"

Civil War you say?, dont get to optomistic. Liberals have guns too!

[no name no slogan]

22. In the words of our esteemed pResident

"bring 'em on"

The wingnuts will be out in full force, but the sheer hatred and ugliness they are capable of will turn off more Americans, IMHO, than the thought of those "nice boys down the street" going to the courthouse and getting married will.

Thank you Massachusetts! Today, New England, tomorrow AMERICA!

:toast:

[TahitiNut]

16. ABCNews(AP): Mass. Court Strikes Down Gay-Marriage Ban

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031118_694.html

BOSTON Nov. 18 — Massachusetts' highest court ruled Tuesday that same-sex couples are legally entitled to wed under the state constitution, but stopped short of allowing marriage licenses to be issued to the couples who challenged the law.

The court ruled 4-3, ordering the Legislature to come up with a solution within 180 days.
<snip>

[Sal316]

18. Of course, the Freepers are overjoyed..

How do they not fall down? Is it because their dragging knuckles help them?

To: Protagoras

They may have government approval of queer sex, but they ain't married

Not in the eyes of GOD. However it is just a matter of time now before EVERY STATE in the UNION will HAVE to recognize GAY marriage. The only thing that can stop it is a Constitutional Amendment.

37 posted on 11/18/2003 7:13 AM PST by PISANO



To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Fudge Packers and Slit Lickers Won!

WAKE UP AMERICA
47 posted on 11/18/2003 7:16 AM PST by chachacha


To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

What states will NOT allow this perversion?

54 posted on 11/18/2003 7:17 AM PST by sirchtruth

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1024056/posts?q=1&&page=1

(on edit: link)

[janx]

27. Oh yes. The thread is like lightning, and they're already

talking about bestiality.

Good grief.

[Maeve]

29. "talking about bestiality"....well...

Freeps may not understand law, but they know what they like!
:spank:

[jsw_81]

34. Freeper trash

It's nice to see them being so tolerant these days. </sarcasm>

[gratuitous]

35. Time for them to sight their other foot

Gay marriage was a concept and a cause that most of the gay community in my experience wasn't really working on or advocating several years ago. But the repressive right, sensing an opportunity, forced the issue before the general public and even the gay community and its allies were ready to address it.

There was some initial discussion about whether this was even something the gay community wanted, and was this a good use of very limited resources. I remember columns written that said we should just let it go, and we'd address the issue by and by. But those who saw it as an attack on the rights and dignity of sexual minorities were correct, and I'm glad that the battle was joined.

It's not over yet, and there will be much said in the coming days. Some of the commentary will be useful, but much of it will be gay-baiting dross. The fact remains, however, that this was a battle the forces of repression chose, and when the conflict they forced on us came, they didn't have the law or the facts on their side, and they didn't have the belly for the fight.

So, if the Freepers want to pick another fight, we'll be right there once again. And we'll send 'em back home cryin' to their mommies. Again.

[bushisanidiot]

20. Another Victory!! 2004 is Going To Be A GOOD YEAR!

I know it!

[veganwitch]

21. woohoo!!!!!!

im so excited.

*happy dance*

[Liberator_Rev]

25. Mass. most Catholic state ?

All Hell is going to break out in this state NOW, as this is one of the most Catholic states in the country, and the one where the recent pedophiles have been the worst in the country. The state's bishops went on record against gay marriage, and all but 3 of the 245 Catholic bishops in the country made a point of opposing gay marriage in their recent national conference.

Congratulations to my home state from
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ChurchvsGays !


and get ready for the onslaught to come from the Republican Party and from the Catholic and the Protestant wings of the Religious Right !

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. Let me say as a lapsed Catholic from Massachusetts

In the end, it's all about the morals, not the rituals of Catholicism. We're pretty tolerant, just give us a chance.

Do unto others, turn the other cheek, etc..... Catholics can be pretty cool.

[Liberator_Rev]

73. What about giving gays and women "a chance".

NewYorker, when you say
"We're pretty tolerant, just give us a chance.

Do unto others, turn the other cheek, etc..... Catholics can be pretty cool."

Which "We" and "Catholics" are you talking about? Lay people who don't agree with the Pope and Bishops, or those who do?

If the first, then I agree whole-heartedly. But if the second, then, whats "pretty cool" and "pretty tolerant" about opposing equal rights for gays to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? or opposing all forms of birth control other than "rythm"? or denying women the control of their reproductive organs?

And what makes gives YOU the right to represent Catholicism rather than the Pope and Bishops?

[4323Lopez]

78. Not a good way to build consensus

Jumping down the throats of liberals --even liberal-Catholics is not the way to should support in any issue.

He's not soley representing Catholicism, he's one opinion and one member of the Church as am I. We are members, and are individuals. Therefore have individual opinions. I adore my church as my grandmother did and her grandmother before her did. It is deeply ingrained in my culture as well as my life. I don't always agree with them completely but I fully respect the church and my faith still lies with them.

[goobergunch]

32. w00t w00t!

Great news.

:bounce: :bounce:

[jsw_81]

33. Great!

Yet another victory for progressives in the culture war, and yet another defeat for the Kristian Reich.

Isn't it amazing to see the same state that once burned witches now endorsing gay marriage? The Puritans must be spinning in their graves!

[Lexingtonian]

36. Oh, this is going to be fun!

I want to see Fat Tony Scalia give us his 'I'm More Righteous Than The Pope' shtick again. Or was that Rick Santorum? (Who can really tell them apart, come to think of it?)

I'll be interested in seeing how sharp a stick the MSJC is sticking in the eye of the Pope, the 'Christian' Right, and the USSC Five. I suspect we'll see some Biblical quotations in the verdict....

Oh, we'll be infested with Freepers by nightfall. They're in their Glee phase now. Then as they watch the sneers on the news get tried out and then the polling blip up, we'll get Smug phase and every little sociopath on their team coming over for a visit.

Then when in a few days people start looking around and saying 'really, only the wackos and Republicans in sexual identity denial actually care about this' we'll start seeing all the usual Kuebler-Ross grief stages break out over in their thorny little kraal, and the little Henry Hyde psychotic breaks.

[Endangered Specie]

38. Who remembers

when conservatives and rel rights used to blush in disgust back in the civil rights day's?, well, 30 years later, all races are equal under law. Hopefully, 30 years from now (or sooner), all sexual orientations are equal under law.

Next thing to do is work on those religious rights.

[Beaker]

39. It could be bad for Kerry and/or Dean if they get the nomination

Gay marriage is apparently one of the issues that Rove thinks they'll be able to use against us next fall, particularly in the South. Even though Kerry has nothing to do with it, they'll stick it on him for being from taxechusetts, and now from fagsachusetts as well(NOT my pov, just guessing at the type of term they'll be using-), and try to use it as an issue to generate voter outrage among homophobic moralist hypocrits..you know, their base.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

43. From that POV it is bad for Kerry

Gay marriage goes beyond civil unions, and Kerry, with his letter to the Governator re: Cali. domestic partner bill, is not hiding his support for gays.
However, Kerry certainly doesn't try to hide his support for gays.

[Trek234]

45. So Clark doesn't support this right?

Another reason not to support Clark then.

[Beaker]

57. Actually, I don't know Clark's stated position, or if he has one-

As it's not an important issue as far as I'm concerned, and a candidates opinion on it is of no consequence to me. The reason I say that it could hurt Dean or Kerry in particular is because they both come from states where the issue of civil unions/gay marriage have gone against the wishes of the rabid right-wingers. Rove would paint them as immoral ultra-liberal new englanders who want to impose their permissive society onto the good god-fearing folk.

[Ediacara]

40. SWEET

[undergroundpanther]

49. Whoo hoo

Another step twords human equality! A small move out of the puritan hell /victorian shell game of the old days is still a bit of growth away from our barbaric past! I hope people begin to understand the good old days were not good at all.Take care of ourselves and don't give up.

Remember the bible is no authority on modern civil law. The bible is a book of mystical stories corrupted by the churches for securing thier own power over a culture. The bible certain people deserve ETRNAL TORTURE,it advocates this as if torture is a good thing for human beings to make them obedient.Do you understand when a fundie screams all gays go to hell they are advocating the deliberate sadistic abuse of a human being, to break them down into submission,advocating abuse that goes on forever without end? Do you realize how sick this whole idea is? These kinds of words are fighting words when you go telling someone they deserve torture forever.It is abusive to a person to threaten a human being with speech like that. In any other context those words would be seen as a clear threat to inflict bodily harm on someone.But because it's the bible our culture is blinded to what they are saying! Even if a freeper rationalizes it by saying it is god saying it it still comes out of thier mouth.So do what you would do to any abusive jerk mouthing off calling for your torture and death.And let them know you'd do the same thing to thier sadistic god. Don't let them get away with abuse.

Remind these fundies if they eat shrimp or a lobster they will be in hell next to the gay man because eating shellfish is an abomination too. Don't let them hide from thier pick and choose hypocraisy! Let the world know these freepers do use the bible as justification for abuse and domination of scapegoated people.

The bible is a mystical document that only applies to the adherents that think it applies to them.The fundie freeps call for a culture war because the leaders want CONTROL over this culture like the old puritan days.They want to dominate people so they keep power and no one challenges them.It's time for all wingnuts to be forced realize they don't have the moral character or compassion in them to be capable of making any decisions for other people because they are so badly handicapped by thier fear,authoritarian disease,bigotry,willful ignorance and fanaticism it dominates them in thier thinking.
A bully pundit freeper can get away with abusing others he sees as flawed or 'weak' because he has made around himself a "culture for company"( normal freepers) willing to agree with him and support his nasty agendas.One problem I see is not enough people have made the personal realization of how insane,entrenched,pervasive, and damaging bullying behaviors are to any society.

Every scapegoat in our culture that is hurt or killed has a bully in some way wanting to destroy or change them by cocercion or if that fails,by force,law or fist.For this sick thing to happen in a culture like ours,lots of other people who see this abuse going on, must refuse to aknowlege it's inherent wrongness,(blame victim,minimize rationalize) by looking the other way, pretending that what was done to the scapegoated person really isn't abuse,(the bible comes in handy for this)the passive agressice observers in our culture,need to be held accountable as much as a freeper or pulpit pounding asshole does for thier cowardly tolerance of abusers and giving thier support when abusers spew fighting words and verbal abuse at a scapegoated person.
Gay bashing is a sick social dynamic that goes beyond the bigot itself,the bible is a tool of bigots because it openly advocates torture and threats for scapegoated people.That is why bullies harp on those bloody passages,it's what they want.They are sick people.

[southpaw72]

44. Romney on decision: "i want an amendment"

Our rethug governor Mitt Romney just came out against the decision, and said he would support an amendment to the Commonwealth's constitution defining marriage as "between a man and a woman."

Given his Mormon background, I'm surprised he didn't say "between a man and one to five women..."

It's going to be interesting to see what happens....

[beyurslf]

46. Has anyone checked out that freeper site and their posts?

Makes me feel good to know that we require links evidencing the facts we cite.

Here is a sampling of some statements of fact with no supporting evidence from the freepers:

"First of all, the "gay" activists have lied for years that "they" are 10%, when they knew dam' well that figure was a lie invented by the pervert Kinsey for propoganda purposes. The real number is something like 1.5% to 2.5%, although more young people are inspired by media and school sex ed to "try" anything."

"They have ADMITTED, darling, that they don't want marriage per se, what their STATED goal is, is this: they want to change the moral atmosphere of society from a family man/woman oriented one to "anything goes" - which means, transgendered, bisexual, gay, lesbian, etc etc. They don't want marriage, they want to destroy marriage by re-defining it."

"There was an article the other day here on FR by Michael Signorile (or however it's spelled) where he (one of the most outrageous "gay" activists there are) directly stated that many people who are otherwise straight are starting to "experiment" with "gay" sex because it's easy to find anonymous sex partners on the internet. Many "gay" people themselves admit they chose to be "gay"."

"Since the average male homosexual "coupling" lasts about 1.5 years, and even monogamy with them generally includes an understanding that outside sex is ok, why will a law change that? The average homosexual has a HUGE number of partners - many solely for sex, anonymous even - how will some law change that? Most homosexuals do not want to get "married" - it would cramp their style."

<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1024056/posts?q=1&&page=151>

They sure do know an awful lot about gays and their relationsips over there. Too bad they can't cite any evidence for what they "know."

[soleft]

47. When are the candidates going to make a statement?

[Forkboy]

48. Score one for us "northeastern liberals"

:D

This is going to get real fun here in Mass.Mitt Robme will shit bricks!

[eliz1754]

52. The NE

Well, I do declare.

This Texas lesbian is thrilled.

Thank God for the Northeast.

I'm sure we'll experience the victory in Texas
in about, oh, 2020.

Good day for all!

[newyawker99]

58. Hi eliz1754!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[LynneSin]

50. Hot Damn well I declare!!!!

I first saw the story on Yahoo and thought that they denied it and had to reread it twice to realize they are actually allowing this to happen.

This is estactically wonderful news. Could this make it to our supreme court and get passed. That would be the 'RoeVWade' of our generation!!!!!!


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[beyurslf]

51. Is the issue one that can be appealed to the SCOTUS?

It seems to me that for this to become a federal issue that the SCOTUS could hear, the judges would have had to rule the other way. The MA ruling upholds individual rights so no one can appeal to the SCOTUS.

An individual in another state who goes to MA to get married could appeal to the SCOTUS if his/her state refused to acknowledge the marriage. I am no law expert, but isn't that how it would work? MA as a state wouldn't have any appeal to the SCOTUS since it is a state matter and their highest state court already made a ruling.

[Langis]

53. That is correct

[LynneSin]

70. Well, it would be neat to get one to the SCOTUS

Seriously - if we could get the US SCOTUS to ban the gay marriage ban that would be history book rewriting significant.

I look foward to that day

:D

[Lizz612]

54. w00t!

::HAPPY DANCE::
Yippie! Its about time!
Oh I'm so happy I can't type straight!
Type straight! Ha! Heehee! Stupid pun, but really I'm so excited I think its funny!
:bounce:

[Socialist Christian]

56. Apperantely the Michael jackson incident today is a sign from "god"

I couldnt resist antagonizing the freepers, i've never seen so many prayer requests in my life, heres a direct quote

To: freetradenotfree

The pro-homo DUmmies are praising the Catholics in Mass. for being "so cool" about this issue.



To: steppenwolffe

proof positive that what the apostle Paul wrote in his letter to the Believers at Rome (Romans chapter 1) is just as valid today as when written--for when our modern judiciary rejected God --God had no choice but to give them
over to a reprobate mind --to do that which is not convienent.But they shall recieve the recompence for their error that is meet.

To: steppenwolffe

Right now, police have a warrent at Michel Jacksons ranch. Something about abuse of a 12 year old boy. There's a ambulance there, and they're searching the ranch.

Passing laws for NAMBLA is next.






they are slipping. this is what we needed those moderates on the fence who felt things were moving to radically will be appaled at the hatred from the repukes

[newyawker99]

59. Hi Socialist Christian!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Socialist Christian]

62. Thanks </nt>

[sujan]

60. how does Romney feel about this?

[Forkboy]

68. He hates it

says he will support a constitutional ammendment to make sure it reads "between a man and a woman".

[David__77]

61. I'm a bit disappointed.

I think the court should have ruled that licenses are to be issued immediately. That is the right solution.

[Socialist Christian]

63. Technically no

That would have been an all out debacle. I wish they could, i mean it is a civil right, but i think things would have gotten out of hand. In addition it proves a lot more if the legislature handles it correctly. Its ironic that this happened in the most catholic state in the union to. I hate these 4-3 decisions though, just goes to show you how much hatred is going on.

[David Zephyr]

67. Welcome to the DU, Socialist Christian.

Nice name, too. :hi:

[srpantalonas]

64. Senate candidate in PA supports same sex marriage as well...

http://www.Crystleforsenate.com

[Socialist Christian]

65. Is anyone else sick of "god"?

and i mean the right wing "god" the one who seems to be so insecure as to need monuments, and has an odd human quality hating homosexuals and interacial couples and liberals. Now God as in Christ's daddy isnt so judgemental. In fact as we all know it would be the idiot apostles who started all this, logic never seems to prevail in these manners, 12 ignorant asses and an hoary text are responsible for roughly eighty percent of the hatred and bedlam in the world. I'm sick of this personification of nothing they have, when will someone actually talk about Christ and God from thier side. I dont know about you but i prefer a God who wouldnt create a homosexual then send him to hell. In the bible it even says who are you to tell God what to do with his creation, can you tell an artisan what to do with his pottery, no, God can cast off and make ignorant whoever he wishes. (et al. Pharoh was made ignorant on purpose so God can demonstrate his power). Makes you rethink this whole ejaculation in vagina thing.

[davidinalameda]

66. We won!

this is a day I thought I would never live to see, and I'm only 30ish

We're almost full citizens of this country.

[Socialist Christian]

69. Brace Yourself though brother <nt>

[Jack Rabbit]

71. BBC (Tuesday): Bush condmens Massachusetts court decision

The headline above from the BBC banner
From the BBC Online
Dated Tuesday November 18 22:55 GMT (2:55 pm PST)

Massachusetts backs gay marriage

The US state of Massachusetts has ruled that same-sex couples are legally entitled to marry.
Massachusetts could become the first state to recognise gay marriage.
But the Supreme Judicial Court stopped short of ordering that marriage licences be issued to seven gay couples who challenged the law.
President George W Bush said the ruling violated the concept of marriage as a sacred institution and vowed to work with Congress to defend it.

[Socialist Christian]

72. can't say i didnt see that one coming <nt>

[VolcanoJen]

74. Kick!!!!!!!

:dem:

[Sven77]

75. fuel the right wing agenda

Bush will use this policy in the south to get him re-elected. He will run his election campaign on stopping gay marriges. The south will eat it up. Funny how this major news will be used to cover up the massive protest of Bush in London.

[bushisanidiot]

77. Southerners Aren't Going To Give Away Their Jobs In Order To Fight Gays

this issue is not that important to 'the south' or 'the north' or most americans as far as it will be the single issue that decides their vote. are you saying southerners will forget the unemployment rate? they will forget their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters etc. who have died in iraq or have come home from war only to BEG AWOL for the benefits they were promised?

you're fooling yourself if you think gay marriage in massachusettes is going to make americans forget about all the damage AWOL has done to this nation. he is the worst (and weakest) president in U.S. history. Gay marriage can't save him. He's done.

[4323Lopez]

76. kick

This is such a good topic.