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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:51 AM
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NYT/AP: Klan Holds Rally at Gettysburg
Klan Holds Rally at Gettysburg
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 3, 2006

GETTYSBURG, Pa. (AP) -- About 30 Ku Klux Klan members proclaimed hatred for blacks, Jews, gays and Latinos as they stood behind barricades at the Civil War battlefield where Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address.

Gordon Young of the World Knights of the Ku Klux Klan also called Saturday for the U.S. to pull its troops out of Iraq and use them to patrol the Mexican border to stop illegal immigration.

The World Knights obtained a permit in July for the two-hour demonstration. The National Park Service granted it under the group's First Amendment rights to free speech.

Several groups counterdemonstrated. Park Service spokeswoman Katy Lawhon said there were no major incidents; one man was cited for entering a restricted area carrying a rainbow flag.

Confederate re-enactors from Virginia protested the Klan's adoption of the Confederate battle flag as an emblem and its claim to be a continuance of the Confederate cause....

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Klan-Gettysburg.html
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:54 AM
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1. "Proclaimed hatred for"
so that could include the gop, focus on the family, the 700 club, young republicans, free republic, faux news, rush limbaugh and on and on and on. They sure do have a big tent klan.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:58 AM
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2. Might be a good time to roll some artillery up on to Little Round Top
And KABOOM!!!

Oh, did we hit those guys in the white hoods and sheets? Oops!
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:39 PM
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10. I was thinking the same thing about Devil's Den. n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:21 PM
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3. So, where is the leadership in this country?
Why isn't this type of thing being denounced loud and clear? Why hasn't anyone come forward to speak out against the horrible incident involving the kids that were asked to sit in the back of the bus? Huh?

The silence is deafening. It's shameful.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:43 PM
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6. Lots of article denouncing it...
but unfortunately for some reason the 'race industry' types that usually write the stuff are only looking for anti-semitism on the Left at the moment...apparently Rachel Corrie and her supporters are far more 'racist' than Nazis in Madison or Nazis in Alabama or Nazis in Gettysburg or the Nazis organzing in the US military...

In reading the story, we find...d'oh:
''These guys don't stand for anything I stand for,'' said Tim McCown of Jefferson, Md. ''And it's time we disengage our flag from what they stand for.''

A spectator more worried about the image of the Confederate flag and scrolling down...

"...More than 150 law enforcement officials patrolled the event, which drew about 200 spectators, some of whom echoed the Klan's calls while others jeered their rhetoric.

Young's group and other white-supremacist organizations held a similar event June 10 at Antietam National Battlefield in Sharpsburg, Md.


It's good of the New York Times to present a balanced account of this

:eyes:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:31 PM
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4. I am surprised they didn't list Clinton and the evil Democrats as well! nt
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:40 PM
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5. Which one was Tony Snow? They all look alike in those spiffy hoods.
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 12:42 PM by Lastlaughin08
Maybe he was the one with brown on the nose area.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 03:30 PM
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13. Was Tony Snow a Klansman?
I had never heard that.

Only public official I'd heard of who was in the Klan was Senator Byrd and that was over 50 years ago.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:46 PM
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7. and did the riot police try to shoot THEM in the head with rubber bullets,
like they did the unarmed lawyer in Miami?

um, no, I guess KKK members aren't considered a "dangerous" protest group.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 12:51 PM
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8. Wow they're against us being in Iraq???
:rofl:

I wonder how this story is being covered on freeperland :D
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:23 PM
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12. Shocking, isn't it?
I guess they want to be racist against the brown people that are charging across the boarder instead of the ones overseas. Less of a commute, ya know.

I got that little funny taste in my mouth when I realized that the Klan and I had a bit of common ground.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:10 PM
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14. no common ground
The KKK opposes the war for the same reason David Duke opposes it: they want to see Israel destroyed, and see US involvement in Iraq as detrimental to that goal.

They don't give a shit about peace, humanitarianism, or the Iraqi people.

All the KKK cares about is turning the US into a club of exclusively white protestants (let's not forget they're against Catholics, too). They have nothing in common with progressives and never have.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:49 PM
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18. Hmmmm, I think you're right. I guess I mean "common goal".
I sit corrected.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:45 PM
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20. It's all part of the next media psyops...
Small as it may look...(20 KKK or 20 neo-Nazis in a park..or walking through your naighborhood), none-the-less, every event seems to get into the newspaper.

I can remember about 5 or 6 of reported in the past year.

The point is, the more coverage they give these lowlifes, the more the media can play with the association of dissenters and skinheads. So when the police SWAT teams swoop down on dissenting groups, the American people have already been prepped & psyop'ed.

'If you're against the war, you're a fascist'...says Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, catapulting the propaganda all this past month. No one like the KKK or the neo-Nazis, they're a frickin embarrassment to most of the white race.

It will be interesing to see what the media does with the protrayal of the AntiWar Movement, in future. So far, the peaceful and orderly manner of Peace Marches haven't given them the chance to arrest dissenters, en masse. BUT, should they introduce the DRAFT ~ BINGO!

The psyops can also be the KKK and neo-Nazis have joined forces with Karl Rove. They're just faking us out Like they care about the war in Iraq. YA KNOW? WTF is that? I say it's psyops.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:02 PM
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9. This area of Maryland (Frederick/Sharpsburg) is infamous..
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 01:03 PM by Virginia Dare
for it's racist incidents and active KKK'ers.

Of course this is north of the Mason-Dixon line, but the population of Maryland was fairly divided in it's loyalties, and there were some Maryland regiments fighting in the Confederacy.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:58 PM
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17. I think this is Gettysburg, PA
I've driven through the area a few times, and it looks like farmland inhabited by people of Amish/Dutch descent. Not the kind of people who would be hospitable to neo-Confederate or KKK ideology.

If I know history, it was a pretty solidly Union territory, especially after Lee invaded and allowed his troops to pillege farms and towns.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 11:27 AM
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33. I think Sharpsburg was where the KKK demonstrators
came from? I could be wrong though, I thought I read it somewhere, and I don't have an NYT account, so I didn't read that particular link.

My bad if I'm wrong.:dunce:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:21 PM
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11. Where is the 20th Maine when you need them?
Chamberlain wouldn't have dealt with this shit, he'd have fixed bayonets, fired a volley, and charged!

Sometimes, just for a bried instant, you wish the 1st Amendment wasn't there.
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:33 PM
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15. Where are you Chamberlain when we need you, Indeed!
I'll carry his ammo for this sortie and bring my drum- like my Get-vet great great grand dad.

I suppose the cause of justice -like stamping out them sour grapes of wrath- is a never ending chore.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 07:01 PM
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19. You can trace your family back that far?
Sweetness. I can trace my dad's family back to the 19th century, but at the time of the Civil War they had fled Germany for a couple of generations in Russia. Then back to Germany, then Nebraska a couple of decades before WWII.

I really wish we could get FDR, TR, or Eisenhowser back. Someone who, when he speaks, inspires. Bush just stutters, stammers, and smirks his way through issues of vital national importance.

I got to see the M-14 rifle that the Springfield Armory in Mass. made for Eisenhowser. They had it on display. A flawless example of the gunsmith's art. It's serial number was "DDE". I'd gladly carry that rifle and some ammo pouches for Ike.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 05:46 PM
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16. Hundreds unite against hate
Article Launched: 09/03/2006 02:00:00 AM EDT
Storm fails to dampen G-burg community solidarity event
By JEFFREY B. ROTH
For the Daily Record/Sunday News

.. Held at Gettysburg Recreation Park, the event combined free entertainment, free food and a children's carnival, among other activities, to bring the community together to celebrate diversity, said Jean Odom, retired executive director of South Central Community Action Programs and a member of the unity day's steering committee ..

A former KKK member, Floyd Cochrain of Lock Haven said he quit the group in the mid-1990s because of his son. Cochrain, who now travels and speaks against the Klan, said that, according to KKK and Aryan Nation philosophy, his disabled son should have been euthanized ..

"Look around at the people here ... different races, ethnic groups and cultures," Strobert said. "They also represent a cross-section of ages, from children to senior citizens. It shows the strength of the people in Gettysburg." ..

http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_4281823


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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:52 PM
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21. KKK calls for US troop withdrawal from Iraq at Gettysburg
About 30 Ku Klux Klan members proclaimed hatred for blacks, Jews, gays and Latinos as they stood behind barricades at the Civil War battlefield where Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address.

Gordon Young of the World Knights of the Ku Klux Klan also called Saturday for the U.S. to pull its troops out of Iraq and use them to patrol the Mexican border to stop illegal immigration.

The World Knights obtained a permit in July for the two-hour demonstration. The National Park Service granted it under the group’s First Amendment rights to free speech.

Several groups counterdemonstrated. Park Service spokeswoman Katy Lawhon said there were no major incidents; one man was cited for entering a restricted area carrying a rainbow flag.

http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=2528
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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22. Even Bush's base...
is turning on Iraq.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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24. It sounds like they're only trying to drum up more hatred of immigrants
They want the troops to come home so they can harrass and shoot at Latinos, just like their partners in crime, the Minutemen.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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26. Yeah, when Bush loses the Klan, he is in some serious trouble...
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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28. KKK/Aryan Nations allied against Israel?
I thought these white supremecists were against the US invasion because it was helping the Zionist agenda, by attacking the Muslim countries.

"The Turner Diaries" is probably a best-seller for this group.

If they are against Bush, it's not because he is a fascist or against the 'islamo-fascists'.

I'm wary of their agenda as much as I am distrustful of the libertarians.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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23. Cowards covering their faces with sheets. Forced to hide because...
...their ideas are ridiculous to all but a tiny sliver of society.

fucking cowards
that's all
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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27. They used to hide their faces. These assholes uncover proudly
while still wearing those ridiculous costumes.

There's a picture of two of these hate-mongering cretins on the AP story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060903/ap_on_re_us/klan_gettysburg_2

Their actions are obscene.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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25. When the Ku Klux Klan joins the anti-war movement we all better
...watch our asses!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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29. A Rovian trick to smear the anti-war movement by association?
The KKK took my anti-war baby away.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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30. this is one of those posts that leaves you with your jaw slack
it is just too preposterous to contemplate. The KKK? Anti-war? (yes I read that they just want to use the soljurs to patrol the border) but...ah criminey, I better just quit the rambling. What kind of strange bizarro-world are we in, anyway?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 12:10 PM
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35. "Why are we shootin I-rackies when we could be shootin Mezkins" is
more likely to be aggrievement of this group of idiots.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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31. Hmmm this reminds me of a South Park episode!
:think:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:53 PM
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32. duplicate
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 11:59 AM
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34. Let them. It's (still) a free country.
Kudos to all counter-demostrators who showed up.
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