Israel to Install Hi-Tech ID System

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2003/12/02/ap/HiTech/d7v6hil01.txt

JERUSALEM - Israel's military plans to install a sophisticated biometric identification system at a Gaza Strip checkpoint in an effort to speed the passage of entering Palestinian workers and limit what can be dangerous friction with Israeli soldiers.

The system, developed by On Track Innovations Ltd. (OTI), will use two biometric sensors to read the facial dimensions and hand geometry of Palestinian workers crossing through the Erez checkpoint, said Ohad Bashan, director of global marketing at the Israeli company.

When installed in January, the system will be the first of its kind in the world, he said.

The Erez checkpoint, at the northern end of the Gaza Strip, is the main crossing into Israel for Palestinian construction or agricultural workers. Before Israeli-Palestinian violence erupted in 2000, tens of thousands of workers crossed every day.

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We're next.

[Occulus]

1. Isn't the Mark

supposed to appear on the forehead or the back of the hand?

:wtf: :scared:

I'm not a practicing Christian... at least, I don't identify at all with fundies and end-times predictions... but that said... not only what, but where....


Lord, save us from your followers....

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. Guess it's kinda fitting that the mark of the beast originates from ......

....the same part of the world that the Scriptures predicting it did.

[Jester_11218]

3. Why not try this?

Why not tatoo ID numbers on their arms? Sound familiar?

Israel should get the hell out of the occupied terratories. Then, and only then can they actually fault the Palestinians for the violence.

Read this:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/999029.asp?0dm=C21LN

It is about the indignity suffered by people who turn to violence. We must consider what drives people to such desparate acts of violence. I am in no way justifying violence, I am however saying that there is a cause for ecery thing. Every action has a reaction. We ust explore the action and not just the reacion.

Peace,
Jesse

[mobuto]

5. Nazi Death Camps? Huh?

This is voluntary.

You don't want the identification? The invasion of privacy? The affront to dignity? Then fine, then don't work in Israel.

How is this different from a passport? Or do you object to passports as equal affronts to human dignity?

The idea of comparing this to the tattoos Germans applied in slave-labor and death camps is as inaccurate as it is in poor taste.

Israel should get the hell out of the occupied terratories.

I agree. But this article isn't about Israelis in the territories, but rather about Palestinians in Israel.


I'm not going to justify the other posters' crapola about "The Mark of the Beast" with a response, other than that those who believe that ol' Beelzebub is actively involved in setting Middle East guest-worker policies take powerful medicine indeed.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

7. Following that logic, it should be okay to inject a chip behind the ear...

I mean hey, if you aren't doing anything wrong, why should you care if some government can track your every move? Know when you eat sleep, have sex and what you bought at the store.

Biometric cameras can be placed wherever and clandestinely thus making a monitoring system rather than a checkpoint.

I see the use of biometrics as a step in that direction. A passport can be placed in a drawer, you can't do that with your face.

(And I agree with you that the "mark of the beast" direction that some have mentioned might be better served in a science fiction and fantasy thread somewhere.)

Peace

[mobuto]

25. Huh?

This is being used at a border checkpoint. I think governments should "track" people going through their borders.

I mean hey, if you aren't doing anything wrong, why should you care if some government can track your every move? Know when you eat sleep, have sex and what you bought at the store.

Reductio ad absurdam. The Israelis just aren't tracking these guys' every move. They're simply identifying workers who are trying to get from the territories into Israel. If we identify French and Brits and Germans trying to get into the US, then why the hell shouldn't Israel do the same for Palestinians? Especially when its in the midst of fighting a low-level war against their leadership?

I really don't know where you're coming from here. Chips in my ear? Government agents watching me have sex? These are really the last things on my mind when I show immigration officials my passport.

Biometric cameras can be placed wherever and clandestinely thus making a monitoring system rather than a checkpoint.


And trees can be outfitted with microphones. But that's not what we're talking about here.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. it is looking more and more like apartied south africa

put bad people behind a wall, allow them out to work for pennies cleaning your homes and digging your ditches. Make them carry ID and tell them it is volutary.....after all they could just freakin starve instead.

[mobuto]

26. You can't have it both ways

Israel could always formally annex the territories, so you wouldn't have borders between them and Israel proper, but methinks you'd have a shit-fit.

So what exactly are you asking for?

Unrestricted passage between the territories and Israel? Ridiculous, given the current unpleasantness.

Make them carry ID and tell them it is volutary

If you're an Italian and you want to work in the United States, you need to provide formal identification and seek specific permission from the American government, despite the fact that the United States has never once been attacked by Italian suicide bombers. In fact, this article talks about an attempt to avoid using IDs and making border-crossings as seemless and easy as possible.

[The Stranger]

22. For those who have misplaced their long term memory or any sense

of history, there were once these little yellow Stars of David that a certain people were made to wear . . .

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. One of the biggest complaints from Palestinians

Is how fast or not they can go through security checkpoints. This is like walking through a metal detector and it provides an official ID. Should Israel give up its right for a secure border?

[mobuto]

27. This is true

Now please explain what Magen David armbands have to do with Israeli guest-worker policies.

[54anickel]

4. Coming soon to a border near you.

Other countries also are using or planning to incorporate biometric technology at border crossings and customs checkpoints.

The United States is expected to begin taking fingerprint and facial-image biometrics from incoming travelers in 2004. It already has used biometrics for registering the fingerprints, voices and iris patterns of prisoners captured in Afghanistan and Iraq.


Mark of the beast from Revelations 13:
16) Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17) so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name

[Occulus]

6. that's the extreme conclusion

of this development. That's the point I was trying to make.

Thanks! :)

[54anickel]

9. No problem, I'm a former fundie. It will be interesting to see

the fundie reaction to this in a few years if it really does begin to take off here in the US as the article states.

To some of the other posters, I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone with the "mark of the beast" comments. My apologies if I did.

I try to be compassionate to the beliefs of others whether I share them or not. It is much easier to have a dialog with folks when you do not immediately dismiss their heartfelt beliefs as foolishness right off the bat. I occassionally work with hospice patients where the goal is their comfort and peace of mind. Spills over occassionally.
:hi:

[lostnfound]

8. Our 51st State n/t

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. Israel is not a state, it is a nation

It has its own wills, own desires and own policies.

[mbperrin]

11. Yes, indeed, bought and paid for by the US taxpayer!

One half of all the aid the US gives to the WORLD goes to Israel.

Without the infusion of US dollars, the Israeli nation would have collapsed years ago.

So please get off the old "They did it their way..."

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. Wow, U.S. aid goes to the only true U.S. ally in the region

I am just totally flummoxed by that.

Sure, Israel had help. They stood by the U.S. even when no other nation in the region did. Lest you forget, all those lovely Arab nations sided with the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

As for how much Israel gets, it's only such a high percentage because we give so little money in general to any place. (As a percentage of our budget.)

[lumpy]

15. "As for how much Israel gets, it's only such a high percentage

because we give so little money in general to any place.(As a percentage of our budget.) ?
This sounds like something Bush might say. Not clear what this is supposed to mean.

[Muddleoftheroad]

18. The classic lame response

I am so impressed. Anytime you don't agree, it must be something asswipe would say.

For those NOT following at home, it means America doesn't give much money to ANYBODY. Most nations give a much higher percentage in foreign aid than the U.S. As a result, the amount to Israel looks larger than it should.

[The Stranger]

23. This phrase is simply a thing of beauty . . .

. . . the amount to Israel looks larger than it should.

I don't think any further response is necessary.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

12. In much the same way as Iraq is a "nation."

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. So tell me, who runs Israel then

Because there sure aren't a lot of U.S. soldiers running around telling Israelis what to do.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

16. American Dollars

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. That's not who

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

20. Just my opinion.

Hey, have a Starbucks on me. :toast:

[Gin]

21. The chip system has started with Walmart demanding their suppliers

to install a tracking device in all merchandise or Walmart won't do business with them. (extortion)

So...it has started in this country...maybe not on the physical body but that will be next.

[mobuto]

28. Yup

and in areas where the Iraqi border is secured by US troops, police or the Iraqi Civil Defense Force, you also have to show a passport to get in.

This is a fact of life on just about every border in just about every country on the face of the earth.