Condi uses Civil War to slap Iraq critics

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/449471p-378328c.html

Secretary of State Rice compared the Iraq war with the American Civil War, telling a magazine that slavery might have lasted longer in this country if the North had decided to end the fight early.

"I'm sure there are people who thought it was a mistake to fight the Civil War to its end and to insist that the emancipation of slaves would hold," Rice said in the new issue of Essence magazine.

"I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'" Rice said.

Rice also bristled at the notion that the Bush administration's slow response last year in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was because of the race of the majority of the victims.

[Botany]

1. Condi sinks to new levels of slime and lies.

Hey Condi, what about the 100,000 + dead Iraqis killed by OUR ARMY?
Think their families might see things differently?

[saigon68]

36. She is diseased scum Syphilis of the brain

[bluestateguy]

2. Ooooh. The white southern base of the Republican Party won't like that one

And the professor should know that ending slavery was not a primary objective of the war. Lincoln was reluctant to make the war about that. The Emancipation Proclamation technically freed no slaves.

[Drum]

13. re: body of your message

Indeed, Ms. Rice should know that the abolition of slavery dogged this country from the twilight of our inception in the 1700s....
And she also should know that the present discussion is about something different, namely another country halfway around the planet!
What does the GOP think they're doing, using all of the wrong brushes to paint their opponents? Any reasonable person knows that---contrary to Rumsferatu's stupid assertions---the "left" is not akin to the Nazi sympathizers, nor are they pro-slavery. The left is responsible, IMHO, more than anyone, for fighting against the tyrannies of Nazis and discrimination.
Sheesh, what are they thinking??
Good post, bluestateguy.

[dreamsvsnightmares]

39. The primary reason for that war was that the north wanted into the south

not to free the slaves but to expand their power and make more money.

[w4rma]

41. Actually that was the primary reason for the upper class, but

not for the middle and lower classes.

As usual the very wealthy were interested in expanding their power and the non-wealthy were fighting for patriotic/ethical reasons (i.e. to free the slaves, unite the country, etc.).

And the same situation was in effect in the South. The upper classes (with their huge plantations of land and slaves - worth 3/5 of a vote each, btw) wanted to keep/expand their power and the non-wealthy were fighting for patriotic/"ethical" reasons (i.e. black people are below human, unChristian to free slaves, freedom from Northern oppression, etc.).

[rfranklin]

3. This woman has a lot of brass...

How is the Iraq Invasion comparable in any way?

She's also the same one that never knew of discrimination in Birmingham, Alabama as she was growing up. Perhaps she never left the African American side of town?

[stepnw1f]

29. More Like a Cornered Rat (nt)

[savemefromdumbya]

4. Listen lady, you are completely clueless

(yes I'm talking to you Condi!)

[Junkdrawer]

5. See that? The Iraqi civil war is a good thing....

I honestly believe she thinks that...oh, not for the reasons given, but she does think that.

[Deep13]

6. Foreign intervention would have ended the Civil War early.

This plays into what Murtha said about them having to hash out their own problems without foreigners trying to direct it.

Condi has no fucking idea what she is talking about, as usual.

[krispos42]

19. Foreign intervention would have sundered the US

There was a longstanding Europoean practice of not attacking a country while it was caught up in civil war. It is was kept the French and British from directly supporting the South, and why the South's defeat at Gettysburg was a critical victory for the North.

The French and English were looking to see the United States and everything it stood for, this experiment in democracy, fail, so that they could use the failed US as an example for the world. "See, democracy doesn't work, folks. Go back to harvesting that tea." If the South had been able to prove it was strong enough and organized enough to be its own nation, eventually the French and British would have interceded militarily and recognized the CSA as a nation.

If the French and British had intervened, we would have two Americas right now, the United States and the Confederate states.

There probably would have been, like in Europe, more wars between the US and CS for a couple of generations. Then, in WWI, the CSA would have sided with their longtime allies, France and Britain, as well as Russia, and the huge German immigrant population in Pennsylvania would have pushed for the USA to ally with Germany and Austria-Hungry.

And the slaugheter of machine-guns, trench warfare, poision gas, and artillery barrages would have occured in Tennesee, Kentucky, Ohio, and Virginia as well as in France. British dreadnaughts shelling Boston and New York. New London-based U-boats striking back.

See Harry Turtledove's "The Great War" alternative history series. It's pretty good, especially the Communist uprising by CSA blacks against the plantation owners.

[Deep13]

21. Exactly.

Foreign intervention would have just made it worse. Condi's analogy, therefore, makes no sense.

[Double T]

7. THEY must be getting desperate...........

if THEY are playing the race card. How low will they go?????

[Botany]

10. Well they have stolen 2 elections, lied to get us into a war,

spied on millions of Americans w/ out a warrant, given tax breaks to the very rich,
looted the treasury, and spread the rumor that John Kerry blew up a grenade close
enough to him to get a flesh wound so he could get out of Vietnam ......

Nothing is out of bounds or too low for them. The bush admin is the face of evil.

[Barrett808]

8. How many more bogus historical comparisons can they trot out?

Occupying Iraq is like the Roman destruction of the temple in Jerusalem...er, no

Occupying Iraq is like the Boxer Rebellion...

Occupying Iraq is like the Cultural Revolution....

Somebody help me out here.

[gratuitous]

16. You know, with all those specious comparisons . . .

You probably would have sided with King Whoever-It-Was in the Magna Carta dispute! If you don't absolutely lurve the Bush administration, you probably would endorse the divine right of kings! And everybody knows that the U.S. is a classless society, so you're just trying to foment class jealousy and instigate class warfare. You librul!

How'd I do?

[Barrett808]

25. I'm properly chastised now.

;)

[cassiepriam]

33. Wake me up when they get to Teddy and the Rough Riders. nt

[daleo]

49. Occupying Iraq is like the Garden of Eden

And anyone who wants to leave must be allied with Satan.

[Xipe Totec]

9. US in Civil War with Iraq?

Did I miss something, or is this analogy af the American Civil War to the occupation of Iraq fatally flawed?

[Supersedeas]

17. acknolwledging the existence of Civil War--has Rove reviewed the rhetoric

[krispos42]

26. Yeah, that 51st star is Iraq. Bush sneaked it on the canton yesterday...

He has a few more in his pocket as well. The Commonwealth of Israel, the State of Kuwait, and the Commonwealth of Venezuela are coming up.

[MidwestTransplant]

11. Spoken like a true white person!

[Canuckistanian]

12. Since when is she concerned about blacks?

She's a white woman now. She's done everything except having the skin lightening treatments.

[Supersedeas]

14. Now, folks who oppose the war are similiar to Slavery Appeasers

How low will these filthy pathetic skanks go to massage their masters?

[ThoughtCriminal]

15. All the Pro-Bush Neo-Confederates I've met

Deny that the Civil War was fought over slavery. They either claim it was tariffs or Bill Clinton.

[Goldensilence]

18. lol

thanks i needed that laugh today.

[KurtNYC]

20. Although if Rice was Sec of State during the Civil War

the North would have fought Iceland while strongly implying through the media that Iceland was behind the attacks at Fort Sumter.

This even after she admitted under oath that Lincoln failed to read a daily briefing memo entitled: "Rebels determined to strike at Fort Sumter."

Then the 19th Century version of Don Rumsfailed would have sent about 1/8th the number of troops required to invade and secure Iceland and 4 years later they would be telling the North to stay the course because if don't defeat Iceland we will never stop slavery in the Confederacy!

[antonialee839]

22. They trot out every war but Vietnam.

[sarge43]

45. They haven't used "You're a big old Tory" yet, but

I suspect that's next.

On the other hand, I just hope they start "Would you have wanted the Mexicans to keep Texas, would ya?"

Long Jack Bunnique pause here.

[krispos42]

23. The Civil War could not have ended early without a 2-nation solution

If the North had pulled back, is would have recognized the South by default, and I would have had to get a passport to visit Disneyworld back in '95. There is no other possibility. Once armies were raised and on the move, there were only two options for America: one nation or two.

The North did not fight for freedom for slaves, they fought for unity of a nation. They fought because they had an awesome sense of nation, because they realized that if secession was allowed the United States, the beacon of freedom and democracy against the repressive monarchies of the world, would dissove like water poured on a sand castle. America would be a patchwork of nations small and large, endlessly warring and bickering among themselves. It would be, in short, another Europe, albeit with a common language.

Later on, the moral outrage against slavery was tapped by Lincoln as the war continued to drag.

In Iraq, it is accepted that it will be a nation seperate from the US. We are not fighting to keep Iraq from seperating from us. We are not looking as having to take a star off of the flag's canton if Iraq does not work out, ya know!

[WCGreen]

24. Condi wooda been most comfortable up in

masta's house anyways...

[RamboLiberal]

27. How about her asinine response on * response to Katrina?

From OP linked article:

Rice also bristled at the notion that the Bush administration's slow response last year in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was because of the race of the majority of the victims.

"I resented the notion that the President of the United States, this President of the United States, would somehow decide to let people suffer because they were black," Rice told the magazine.

"I found that to be the most corrosive and outrageous claim that anybody could have made, and it was wholly and totally irresponsible."

Asked if she felt personally accountable, Rice said, "The government did its best. People aren't perfect, and this response was not perfect. You know, I do foreign policy, I don't run Homeland Security. I don't run FEMA. I do foreign policy." She added, "I did what I could to coordinate the international response."

Forgot to add Condi you were too damn busy going to Broadway and shopping for Ferragamos.

On Wednesday night, Secretary Rice was booed by some audience members at "Spamalot!," the Monty Python musical at the Shubert, when the lights went up after the performance.

Yesterday, Rice went shopping at Ferragamo on Fifth Ave. According to the Web site www.Gawker.com, the 50-year-old bought "several thousand dollars' worth of shoes" at the pricey leather-goods boutique.

A fellow shopper shouted, "How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!" - presumably referring to Louisiana and Mississippi.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/342712p-292600c.html

[Coes]

28. That Top 10 Conservative Idiots Icon...

yep

Excessive Spin

[rocktivity]

30. Condi Rice talking about SLAVERY???

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[cassiepriam]

31. I don't recall a foreign country invading the US prior to our Civil War.

And this foreign power murdering, raping and torturing US citizens.

[NYC Liberal]

32. Which country invaded us and occupied us while Americans were

fighting their own war?

Seems like if she wants to make that comparison, the lesson would be for us to let the IRAQIS be to fight their own battles.

[displacedtexan]

34. That pic of Babs & Poppy reminds me of a zombie movie...

... that my daughter was the key makeup artist on,
called "Risen."

Here's the pic:

[gademocrat7]

35. Put down the crack pipe condi.

You are a miserable failure, just like your husband. You couldn't be bothered with poor, African Americans plight during Katrina. Your shoe shopping was more important.

[brentspeak]

37. Good grief. Apples, meet oranges.

[Jacobin]

38. Damn. She really does need some remedial history lessons

The Civil War was not started to end slavery. The only states where slavery was ended were the states which seceded and THAT not until 1863, two years after the war started! The other slaves in the non-seceding states were not emancipated until AFTER the war ended.

Accordingly, any notion that the Civil War was begun solely to liberate slaves does not jive with historical fact.

It was primarily an import-export tax war, glommed together with abolitonists, glommed together with industrialists in the NE who were afraid of the wealth and influence of agrarian power in the antebellum period outstripping their own industrial/political might...and so they wanted to limit the SPREAD of slavery to non-slave states.

Fork, even with a minor in history and a bit of post-college reading anyone could figure this out. Instead, she spouts grade school propaganda to attempt to prop up her failed attempt at occupying a Muslim nation.

This woman is beyond useless.

[Jack Rabbit]

40. Response

Please click here or in my sigline.

[Solly Mack]

42. Wow. The mirrors in her home just cracked

Her reflection is more than her soul can take...

[bleedingheart]

43. It is really hard for me to believe that a well educated person would

be so dumb

She is so freaking clueless.

[truthisfreedom]

44. uh-huh. like that makes any sense. work on another analogy, condi...

nobody's buying this one.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Two hundred years ago, Condi would have been a house slave

looking down on the field slaves.

[Rex]

47. Stupid people should avoid subjects they know nothing about.

Condi...please...shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about. The American Civil War and the Iraqi Civil War are NOTHING alike. I'm embarrassed, as a former history teacher, that she is a fellow American.

[daleo]

48. The U.S. is a foreign power, involved in a civil war

Had the British fomented and intervened in the U.S. Civil War, this might have been a reasonable analogy.

[GeorgeGist]

50. Ooooooooooooooooh the pain....

to be BITCH slapped :sarcasm:

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