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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 04:49 AM
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Warning for North Korea considered
BEIJING (Reuters) - China and the United States have discussed warning North Korea against conducting a nuclear test, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill said in Beijing on Wednesday.

U.S. intelligence authorities detected suspicious vehicle movement around North Korea's test site, according to a U.S. television news report last month, but Seoul and Washington officials have since played down the possibility of a test.

"We talked about the need to make very clear to the DPRK that this would a very, very unwelcome development," Hill told reporters after meeting Wu Dawei, China's chief diplomat in charge of negotiations with North Korea.

The Communist state's official title is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK).

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060906/pl_nm/korea_north_warning_dc;_

BTW where is Condi with all these fires to put out, I'd think we'd be seeing her more. :shrug:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:08 AM
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1. Ummmm.... what are we going to do to them, exactly?
They are diplomatically and commercially isolated, the economy is horrible, there is little food and creature comforts, little power, low standard of living, and government intrusion in all aspects of life. They are also militarized beyond reason and posess enough plutonium for several nuclear weapons and they have multiple means of delievering them.

A single nuke on Tokyo would devestate the world economy. Nagasaki, Taipei, or Seoul would probably cause the same thing as trillions of dollars in assets held by bank corporate offices we up in nuclear fire. The headquarters of multiple giant corporations would be destroyed, along with the destruction of major factories that make consumer goods and components. It's hard to make electronics when the semicoductor industry glows gently in the dark and your workforce is black and crispy.

And neither Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan have nukes. And since North Korea didn't attack us with nukes, I doubt we would nuke back. So, with the world economy wiped out overnight, now we're involved in a land war 7,000 miles west of San Diego while the bulk of our mobile ground forces 7,000 miles east of Washington, DC.

My real worry is that Kim Jong-Il will take a page from the neocon playbook and decided the best way to stimulate the economy and keep himself in power is through war.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:05 AM
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3. That is a beautiful analysis of a horrible scenario.
Nicely written! :applause:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 12:28 PM
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4. Damn. I was hoping there was a counter-viewpoint that was more optimistic
One of those things, ya know? I was hoping I was being unduly pessimistic, but maybe not. I guess that the inheirent problem when dealing with a country and a leader that is already at the bottom of of the economic ladder and shows zero interest in climbing it.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:52 PM
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5. There's no benefit in deluding people though.
> One of those things, ya know? I was hoping I was being unduly pessimistic

It's a common dream amongst realists. The difference is that they wake up.

> ... when dealing with a country and a leader that is already at the bottom of
> the economic ladder and shows zero interest in climbing it.

I suppose this makes the question: "Is it better that the leader shows no interest
in climbing the economic ladder or better that the leader is convinced that they
*are* climbing the economic ladder?"

This is the classic gap between "progress" and "illusion of progress" when presented
to the ignorant masses ... Unfortunately, "the ignorant" are in charge of things ...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:43 AM
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2. A warning?
That'll show 'em. :rofl: Yep, the Bushies are all over the North Koreans.......or.....they WOULD be if there were oil deposits beneath their land. :eyes:
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