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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:42 PM
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U.S. count of Baghdad deaths excludes car bombs, mortar attacks
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 10:45 PM by Pirate Smile
U.S. count of Baghdad deaths excludes car bombs, mortar attacks

By Mark Brunswick and Zaineb Obeid
McClatchy Newspapers

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. officials, seeking a way to measure the results of a program aimed at decreasing violence in Baghdad, aren't counting scores of dead killed in car bombings and mortar attacks as victims of the country's sectarian violence.

In a distinction previously undisclosed, U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said Friday that the United States is including in its tabulations of sectarian violence only deaths of individuals killed in drive-by shootings or by torture and execution.

That has allowed U.S. officials to boast that the number of deaths from sectarian violence in Baghdad declined by more than 52 percent in August over July.

But it eliminates from tabulation huge numbers of people whose deaths are certainly part of the ongoing conflict between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. Not included, for example, are scores of people who died in a highly coordinated bombing that leveled an entire apartment building in eastern Baghdad, a stronghold of rebel Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15474438.htm
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:47 PM
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1. creative accounting !
what a joke.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:48 PM
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3. Fuzzy math?
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:48 PM
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2. WTF??
Nothing surprises me anymore, nothing.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:49 PM
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4. Every day it's another shoe dropping with these bastards.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 10:55 PM
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5. Typical B*shcabal tactic- just plain LIE.
It's really just that simple: LIE.
Lie more, keep lying, then repeat as necessary.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:07 PM
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6. If you count his tail as a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
Four. Just because you call his tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

Just because you don't count the deaths doesn't make them go away. This is just hideous. Friday news dump time.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 07:08 AM
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14. gratuitous; Is that an old one or...
Did you just make it up? I love it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 11:05 AM
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16. Absolutely ancient
I had to scrape some of the rust off it before it was presentable.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:18 PM
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7. Rec'd
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:28 PM
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8. Everyone knows that car bomb deaths aren't real deaths.
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 11:28 PM by daleo
I mean, this is standard procedure among lunatics.

On edit - For the record, I mean Bush.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 11:30 PM
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9. This is totally deceptive to all--especially to the dead!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 12:55 AM
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10. WHY? God Dammit, WHY? This is not how to 'measure results'.
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 01:00 AM by babylonsister
:grr: :grr:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:13 AM
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11. The actual results never matter with this crew, just the spin and PR.
Reality? What's that?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:13 AM
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12. Ah, car bombings and mortar attacks are partisan violence!
Can't forget that!

So we have the religious violence, and we have the partisan violence. The religious violence is what we're trying to stop, apparently. The partisans that are fighting a foreign occupier? Eh, fuggetaboutit!

Just to define partisan: A partisan is a member of an irregular military force formed to oppose control of an area by a foreign power or by an army of occupation.

So, to summarize: the Pentagon does not count the violence towards US and our supporters, only sectarian Sunni-on-Shia violence, in order to make it look like we are winning the battle against civil war.

Have I mentioned tonight how much I have these people?

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 05:31 AM
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13. So whatever the number of casualties the US reports
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 05:31 AM by DoYouEverWonder
We should double it, at least.

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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:20 AM
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15. Good grief.......these people don't count...give me a break
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 11:07 AM
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17. I have still yet to find a definitive number of Iraqi Defense Force deaths
There's a casualty figure for everybody but the Defense force members as far as I can tell e.g. US deaths, Iraqi civillian deaths, UK deaths, Australian deaths, Canadian deaths, etc. Considering that they are our number one ally in this war, I would think that their deaths would be included in the death toll somewhere. I am convinced that if their casualty numbers were included in the coalition death toll figures, an entirely different reality would be portrayed of the situation on the ground over there, a reality that would not reflect favorably on the chicken hawk in chief and his cabnet of incompetents.
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