Dad wants Christie (Whitman) locked up

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/450874p-379414c.html

The heartbreaking words of a grieving father who watched the slow, painful death of his Ground Zero hero son captivated yesterday's congressional hearing to probe the government's response to health risks after 9/11.

Joseph Zadroga described how his son, NYPD Detective James Zadroga, 34, died next to his 4-year-old daughter in January after fruitlessly seeking treatment for months for his failing health.

"We watched him progressively getting worse until he died at home, on the floor of his bedroom with his daughter sleeping on the bed," Zadroga said, wiping away tears.

The medical examiner in Ocean County, N.J., determined that Zadroga's death was directly linked to his 500 hours of work at Ground Zero. But the city refused to recognize his death as being in the line of duty.

Then Joseph Zadroga, like many others who spoke yesterday at the day-long special hearing in Manhattan, blasted Christie Whitman, then-head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, for falsely reassuring people like his son that the air around Ground Zero was safe. "I think she should go to jail," Zadroga said

[Monkeyman]

1. Hell she should be along with Rudy

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. So many crimes against our fellow citizens.

:cry: :cry: MKJ

[seemslikeadream]

3. DICK CHENEY - ASBESTOS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=928662&mesg_id=931391

[mom cat]

21. The EPA site now has this at the link in your post:

Asbestos

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[vickitulsa]

35. Yes, but if you just click on the "Asbestos" link, you can get the rest

of the story, it's all still there.

I read not only a fair bit of the DU thread he also linked to but then visited the EPA site to learn more. Got the same page you did so I just went looking for what I wanted, and found all of it.

After reading even more eye-opening stuff there, I became especially interested in the part about vermiculite, the asbestos-containing stuff from some mines in Montana which has been used for a great many applications including insulation and gardening for years. I suddenly realized I'd handled this crap quit a bit during the years in my life when I grew a lot of indoor plants! (I even waded through many pages of that damn pdf format to get all this info. :))

Even as recently as 2004 when I was first creating the outdoor flowerbeds around my dwelling (an old RV in a park) that are now growing canna lilies well over seven feet tall, I bought some packages of vermiculite and used it to mix with potting soil and regular local soil. It was like I remembered from my indoor house plant days -- very light and clingy unless mixed with soil or at least wetted down real good. Helps to aerate poor soil, and home and commercial gardeners and landscapers have used it for quite a long time.

Apparently the EPA found that there's very low risk of health dangers to someone like me, but for people whose jobs require them to handle and work with such products on a frequent basis and in large quantities, the risk is NOT low. EPA says they should be warned and their health monitored, and some of that is apparently now happening. There are now warnings on some of these product labels, but the major alerts the EPA was planning to disseminate far and wide never happened. Cheney indeed! Grrrr......

The real danger from asbestos is from inhaling it, of course, so it's actually the DUST that can result when products are crunched or poured or shaken that is the culprit. I knew this about insulation but had no idea how MANY products contain asbestos!

Now I know, and thanks to those who have steered me to this info!

[NOLADEM]

4. Thought the headline meant HER dad...

Now THAT would have been a story...


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[civildisoBDence]

44. Me, too.

It's not as if our government would knowingly put its citizens at risk...not with Agent Orange, or uranium-tipped munitions, or white phosphorous, or nuclear testing, or at any Superfund sites. No way.

Newsprism

[babylonsister]

5. Her BOSS should go to jail; I'm sure she only relayed what

she was told to say.

[speedoo]

7. BULLSHIT!!!

She and had a choice to make and she chose the easy way instead of the right way. She should have fucking resigned, and gone public.

I'm so fucking tired of people making excuses for these thugs.

[babylonsister]

13. What excuses? She's guilty, but not alone in her guilt. She had

her marching orders; aim for the top and work your way down the chain; they're all culpable.

[speedoo]

15. OK, but you could have phrased your post better.

"she only relayed".... sounded like an excuse to me, at first read.

At least we are agree they are all culpable.

Peace.

[Eugene]

9. The whole criminal gang needs to be locked up.

The boss, the underboss, and their captians too.
Whitman lied for the Bush Gang and got people killed.

[babylonsister]

12. I agree wholeheartedly. nt

[wordpix2]

27. megadittos but Whitman has a lot of blood on her hands for crimes against

not just humanity, but wildlife and the environment, as well.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Am I crazy to think that if Republicans didn't control the Fed, State and

Local government of NYC on 9/11 that the potential environmental impacts wouldn't have just been blown off? I don't think so.

What is it with Republican's disregard and contempt for the environment - on a large scale or a small scale? It is unbelievable. I didn't even have the internet back on Sept. 11, 2001 but I knew there was a big problem with the air in the weeks and months following, although the Government kept just BS'ing the issue. This certainly isn't a surprise to anyone paying attention back then.

Shame, shame on them all - Christie, Rudy, the whole bunch. :(

[rainbow4321]

8. Anyone remember the sheet of paper Whitman held up on 9/11?

Specifically, it was a paper from one of those yellow legal pads..she was on a segment of the ongoing coverage that day and she said it was a list of all the toxins that she and her department had determined was floating in the air...the page was full, top to bottom. Held it up for the cameras and everything.
Never did see that segment repeated nor was she around for any other interviews that were on that channel.

Where IS that list, Ms Whitman, that you held up for the cameras that day (and said out loud some of the deadly-if-inhaled really LONG named chemicals from that list). Safe to assume that chimp's people confiscated it as soon as the cameras went off??

[wordpix2]

28. no, I don't remember the list--BUT if she was so adamant, why didn't she

INSIST that people know about Ground Zero toxins as she resigned? I never heard a thing about such a list :shrug:

[AnneD]

10. Whitman was at ground zero...

saying it was safe (and it is on tape!). She was recently given a soft ball question during an interview with Katie Couric. She told Katie she didn't say that-she always said workers needed to wear masks. So what am I to believe.....my eyes or her mouth.



http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml

See 9/11 illness the blame game
See Ground zero sickness


It just frosts my muffins:grr: :nuke:

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Don't forget 'America's Mayor'. He has the same blood on his hands.

These actions, if they indeed knew what the air quality was (I think they did), are CRIMES. Crimes need to be punished. That's what jails are for.

[wordpix2]

29. that's true, between the toxic air & failed communications between first

responders, "Hero" Rudy should be in jail, too, not running around the country looking for money for a presidential bid.

[cspanlovr]

14. I heard that at the Pentagon, everyone had to wear hazmat suits

to "work the pile". No exceptions. I don't understand why this wasn't done in NY. Wild horses couldn't have gotten some of those guys off, but it was crazy that day after day they weren't protected. Of course Witman's guilty. they all are.

[Ilsa]

16. Geez, why couldn't

we have convinced Bush* to stay there a few more days?

[KT2000]

17. Ground Zero Workers

are coming up against the wall everyone who has knowingly experienced illness from environmental exposures has.
The carelessness on Whitman's part is nothing unique to the 9/11 event. All environmental catastrophes are treated this way to prevent liability issues.

If you will notice, the health concerns were not directed by the medical community, they were directed by politicians. This is how all environmental disasters are handled.

The next trick is that they will do extensive reviews of the literature and find that there is not a direct link between the contamination and the illnesses. Inadequate research is their friend now. (chemical exposures are calculated by single chemicals experienced once in a lifetime. There is no data on multiple chemical mixtures - hence, no proven illnesses exist) This is the fate of the Gulf War veterans, Viet Nam vets.

If you are involved in an environmental exposure event - your health needs will be determined by politicians too. People need to speak up if they want it to be otherwise. The bureaucracy is entrenched and will continue to function for the ones fearing liability unless WE change it.

[kestrel91316]

20. Unfortunately, speaking up no longer seems to work. They ignore us

and laugh in our faces, secure in the knowledge that Diebold will prevent their ouster.

[KT2000]

22. Speaking up takes many forms

No one in my life has ever done anything because I said so, but I do plant seeds.
I laugh in their faces actually.

The medical community is aware and uncomfortable with the positions they must follow concerning environmentally caused illnesses. When the opportunity arises, I make comments about their untenable positions to them personally, or ridicule the unscientific nature of their positions. More than once doctors has confided their concerns.

Letters to the editor that disseminate info about environmentally caused illnesses; question the qualifications of those put in charge of environmental disasters.

Handing out the home phone numbers of health department officials to environmentally ill people.

Gotta get creative - but don't give up!

[midnight]

24. Diebold is the only focus we should have.

We need to get rid of all machines that can have its tabulations manipulated from a distance. While we have people here at D.U. fighting on our behalf ie. landshark, we need to pay attention.

[hatrack]

46. IOW, they'll wait for enough people to die that it won't cost so much

Kind of like Agent Orange, the atomic veterans, Gulf War Syndrome, world without end, Amen.

May all of them - Bush, Cheney, Whitman, every venal pustule among them - burn in hell for this.

They trot out the courageous firefighters and cops and rescue workers of Ground Zero whenever it offers them a short-term political boost, and then when the lights go off, they wad them up and throw them away like Kleenex.

[GreenTea]

18. What day did Bush show up? Hope the fucker sucked down some of that shit

[ladywnch]

42. AMEN!

[CHIMO]

19. New Yorkers Tell Federal Officials To Stop Ignoring 9/11's Health Effects

New Yorkers Tell Federal Officials To Stop Ignoring 9/11's Health Effects

AMY GOODMAN: New York Congressmember Carolyn Maloney. On Thursday, the former head of the Environmental Protection Agency defended the agency's role after 9/11. Christine Todd Whitman was interviewed by Katie Couric on 60 Minutes.

CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN: The readings were showing us that there was nothing that gave us any concern about long-term health implications. That was different from on the pile itself at Ground Zero. There, we always said consistently, you got to wear protective gear.

AMY GOODMAN: That's Christine Todd Whitman, former head of the EPA and also former governor of New Jersey. Juan, more and more is now coming out around Christine Todd Whitman.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Yes, and actually she is now obviously blaming Mayor Giuliani and the city for some of the problems of lack of protection. So now the finger pointing is beginning to spread to higher levels. The reality is that there's plenty of blame to go around for both. There was actually a National Institute of Environmental Safety and Health study in early October 2001 that said, yes, there was a problem, that most of the workers at Ground Zero were not being properly protected, but that the City of New York, as incident commander -- see, the problem was that for a long time in the first days after 9/11, the site was being treated as an emergency rescue operation, and therefore, the City of New York, the Fire Department and Mayor Giuliani were in charge.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/08/1349248

[wordpix2]

30. I love repukes pointing fingers at each other & truth-telling to get them-

selves off the hook. :evilgrin:

That's the silver lining in this dark cloud. :(

[BronxBoy]

32. What a stupid ass!

There was plenty of toxins on the pile but none in the air. It just laid there like good toxins do. And our freinds the wind and the air cooperated by not picking up said toxins.

T%he nation can't take much more of these idiots

[alfredo]

33. We need to lay this at Rudy's doorstep. Sure Whitman and her

bosses need to be slapped around too, but Rudy is the one who wants to capitalize on 9-11.

[Mika]

40. Exactly. They're quick to blame Ray Nagin for N.O., so why not Rudy.

Oh.. that's right..

[alfredo]

45. Yeah, we all know why.

[xchrom]

23. i stand with mr zadroga. christie whitman to JAIL! n/t

[aquart]

25. He has my complete agreement.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

26. Negligent homicide at best

Conspiracy to commit murder at worst.

[aaronbees]

34. This administration

is quite adept at negligent homicide. What a sad story. :(

[ShortnFiery]

31. Hell no! According to Faux, Rudy's gonna be our next Pres-Eee-Dent n/t

[flyarm]

36. this just breaks my heart..since retirement ..i now live in ocean county

but my hometown of Middletown..i saw daily after 9/11 many of our young firemen go up to ground zero to work..

may of our young who went up to work with fire depts all over the state of nj are sick...as well police..



fly

[LiberalEsto]

37. Gitmo would be the appropriate place

for Christine Toad Whitman

[The Count]

38. I remember W bragging how fast Wall street came back at HIS request

Wall Street was a priority - he said.I think it was Finneman's puff piece or maybe Woodward's. It was considered his mark of leadership - and it was what was done - PERSONALLY by W so the fat cats can continue to be fat.
And that of course does NOT absolve Whitman or Rudy who actively and knowingly promoted the craven lie.

[Kurovski]

39. K&R.(nt)

[MasonJar]

41. She did what they made her do; I used to excuse her. No more.

Last week she blamed New York. They may be culpable, but so are she and George.

[BrklynLiberal]

43. I agree with Monkeyman..Giuliani should be in jail with her..

:mad: :puke: