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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:06 AM
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Bush Wants To Renew Social Security Push After Vote
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 10:21 AM by Mark E. Smith
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush hopes to revive his plan to overhaul the U.S. Social Security program
if his Republican party keeps control of the Congress in the November midterm elections, the Wall Street Journal
reported on Saturday.

Despite polls suggesting Democrats have their best chance in years to regain control of the House of Representitives,
Bush told the newspaper in an interview he was confident a power shift was "not going to happen."

"I just don't believe it," he said, adding that if Republicans prevail at the polls, next year might be a good time to reintro-
duce the effort to reshape Social Security because he could "drain the politics out of it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060909/us_nm/bush_socialsecurity_dc_2


Sounds like some good ads could be made out of this one.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:08 AM
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1. "I just don't believe it"
The Truthiness President
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:16 AM
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5. Then he's saying, "we're going to STEAL that election too!"
and having a good laugh behind evrybody's back!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:09 AM
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2. Signalling his corporate buddies...help me out and keep the Dems
from controlling one or both houses.

And, it will lock me in to do whatever the hell I want with Social Security, since the next decisive election is in two years.

Yep, we've got to aggressively get this out there. MKJ
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:11 AM
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3. Weeeeeee! More road-trips on Air Force One!
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 10:12 AM by Drum
W especially likes that, because of all of those little bottles of liquor onboard.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:11 AM
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4. Bush wants to continue to sell out Social Security to big money
...private interests. If that happens all Americans will loose.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:17 AM
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6. He has to pay for that fiasco in the ME somehow.




His plan is to take money away from the Boomers to pay for that historic deficit he created in the budget. And of course, he created that deficit with his bogus war that was launched on a pack of lies.











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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:20 AM
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7. Ugh... money managers are the only ones happy its Corporatism
About the "privatization" of social security. Oh why the quotes?

Its not really privatization. They are not really lowering the taxes and giving the money back to the voters. And they are not handing over to the voters full control of that money either.

You would under Bush's plan get to have a couple of choices for you to put your money back into the market. Its called Corporatism. Government money. Your money. And they are giving it away to a handful of money managers in order to reward them for their support over the years.

Of course the markets are not omniscient nor omnipotent unlike what some Republicans want you to believe. They go up and they go down and if the whole thing bottoms right when you need the money you are screwed.

There is only one way to truly save Social Security for the generations beyond the Baby Boomers.

1) Pass a law that makes it impossible for the congress to raid the coffers Dem or Repub its just wrong. They used to call it the lockbox but you know what it really is? It should be the "keep you grubby damn hands off my granny's money" law.

2) Re-tool the regressive nature of the Social Security tax structure. Isn't it correct that you are not taxed for any income over 100,000+ dollars at least for Social Security? That is just criminal and wrong. Eliminate the cap and you can fund the program fully and make up for all the lost ground we made by not putting some of the Clinton surplus into the program.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 03:22 PM
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15. "Democrats think that Social Security is some kinduh fedrul program"*
* -GW Bush during the 2000 selection campaign
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:23 AM
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8. They don't want to pay back all the trust fund money they have stolen!
I have paid in for too many years to get screwed like this, I just miss their planned arbitrary cut off. Needless to say, I am NOT happy! I am sick of the bastards changing the rules in the middle of the game, in this case 36 years into it...

No way, no how.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 07:09 PM
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17. Do you really think there will anything left even for us who made the
cut? At the rate they're stealing every dime there is, there will be nothing left.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 10:40 AM
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9. "drain the politics out of it ..." = steal the $$ for the BFEE and his
christofascist & industrialist & military friends. It is a model from the 1930's.


Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:01 AM
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10. It worked out so well the last time....
Who is that said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? I also think it's wonderful the way George continues to believe that only his beliefs matter. The Republicans lose control of the House? "I don't believe it' therefore it won't happen. Saddam and Al-Queda were close? "I believe it' therefore it is true. Somebody find this guy some good meds and a first-class mental health professional -- Stat!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:15 AM
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11. DEMOCRATS: RUN ON THIS!
We will WIN!
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:36 PM
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18. We can only hope.
More people care more about this issue than some of the others we
hear a lot about.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:19 AM
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12. Another reason NOT to vote for a Republican!
We need to keep this kicked in the minds of the voting public. This is huge!
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athena Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:52 PM
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16. I agree completely!
Democrats are idiots if they let this die down. The only people who will vote republican after hearing this are the managers of big companies; i.e., a small minority. The average American is already suffering as a result of outsourcing and major companies getting rid of their benefit plans. Many people see social security as their last hope. They will not vote republican if they think it'll make them lose social security. This is much bigger than abortion and gay marriage combined!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:49 AM
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13. Top fascist corporate agenda item--looting & destroying Social Security--
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 11:58 AM by Peace Patriot
and one of the chief reasons they took over our election system, during the 2002-2004 period, with electronic voting machines and central tabulators, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code with virtually no audit/recount controls.

If there is anything Americans are near unanimous on, it is protection of Social Security (right up there with serious concern about the Bush's $10 trillion deficit--in the 80% to 90% range in opinion polls). And nothing sticks in the craw of corporate fascists and the super-rich like this socially responsible program of FDR's New Deal. They tried to kill it then. They failed. (--an interesting story in itself*). They've been trying to kill it ever since. Now they have Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia (s)elections by which to cement a fascist corporate majority in Congress to DEFY the overwhelming will of the American people.

You wonder how Bush can be so arrogant? You wonder how Bush and Cheney can both be predicting Bushite "wins" in November? Here's why:

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004"; and

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich.

These are the people who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy. And, despite all the efforts of the awesome, grass roots election reform movement, they are more entrenched than ever (due mostly to the corruption and collusion of the Democratic Party leadership on the electronic voting boondoggle).

SEQUOIA: The third major election theft industry player, which hired Republican former Calif Secretary of State Bill Jones, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, to peddle their machines--in an outstanding example of the highly corrupt practice of "revolving door" employment.

Our votes are now being "counted" by Bushite corporations, in extremely insecure and insider hackable electronic voting systems, with laws passed throughout the United States forbidding even our secretaries of state from reviewing the TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY code by which our votes are "tabulated." This fascist coup--and it is nothing less--was engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (now indicted or resigned in bribery scandals), abetted by Bilderberg 'Democrats' like Christopher Dodd. The piece of crap legislation that fomented this coup--the so-called "Help America Vote Act" (2002)--appropriated nearly $4 billion dollars for the fast-track conversion to NON-TRANSPARENT, UNVERIFIABLE, UNRECOUNTABLE, UNAUDITABLE electronic voting systems. This money was used to entice, bribe and corrupt local election officials from one end of the country to the other, and, combined with unregulated lavish lobbying, and federal bullying, resulted in completely unreliable vote totals, nationwide, in 2004, and forevermore--if we do not rebel against these machines and throw them into 'Boston Harbor' where they belong.

Social Security is history--if you don't get rid of these election theft machines!

How to do it?

THE ABSENTEE BALLOT PROTEST

FLOOD local election officials with MOUNTAINS of Absentee Ballot votes this fall, and thereby create sufficient panic and crisis in the election theft industry to FORCE reform NOW.

Absentee Ballot votes are not "safe" either--and will not insure accurate vote counts in November, but, if enough people vote by Absentee Ballot (--and many already are--it's up to 50% in Los Angeles)--if, say, everyone who wants Social Security protected votes by AB (80% to 90%!)--then we will have the clout to FORCE local/state election officials to the table, with our demand for restoration of transparent vote counting.

An AB voting protest has many potential benefits, and no downside. It will HELP turnout. It's a great motivator for disillusioned non-voters--to be part of a protest aimed at un-rigging the system. It's easy. Everybody can do it. (Most states have some form of AB voting.) It's a maximum participation protest. It will bring more scrutiny to how AB votes are handled, and to this whole dishonest, secret vote counting system. And it will send a powerful message to our illegitimate rulers--a massive citizen "vote of no confidence" in their illegitimate rule and in their corrupt method of retaining power. They CANNOT continue to impose the agenda of a small minority of billionaires and rightwing nuts without serious consequences. A massive Absentee Ballot vote will make that clear. It will be the SECOND "shot heard round the world"--the opening shot of American Revolution II--casting off the Corporate Rulers.

There is nothing on the horizon, in the election reform movement, to prevent Stolen Election III this November--despite the huge growth of this movement over the last two years, with many lawsuits, new groups formed, weighty scientific reports, articles, books, web sites and impassioned activists. Bush and Cheney know this. That's how they can confidently predict a "win." Their buds at Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia control the results. And our Democratic Party leaders are in such a state of fear and/or corruption--or outright collusion (as with Christopher Dodd)--that they have been MIND-BOGGLINGLY SILENT about this egregiously non-transparent, rigged system.

Therefore, we, the people must act. We can't get accurate vote counts this fall, but we CAN thoroughly shake this system up and jump-start reform, at the state/local level, in order to save the '08 primaries and general election from secret, Bushite-corporate controlled vote "counting." And in this way, we will be able to start REVERSING the damage that the Bush Junta has inflicted on our country, including their goal of looting and destroying Social Security. I repeat: We cannot get accurate vote counts this fall. It is not possible. So they WILL retain essential control of this illegitimate Congress--even if they throw us a few sops to quiet down the growing rebellion against their rigged voting machines. (And with about half the Dems being corporatists or warmongers, and often voting with the Bushites, even a Dem majority may not mean much as to saving Social Security, preventing more corporate oil wars, and other bottom-line disagreements between this fascist government and the great majority of Americans.) WE. MUST. GET. BACK. PUBLIC. CONTROL. OF. OUR. ELECTIONS. This is Priority No. 1.

BOYCOTT the machines! DON'T vote on them! Vote by Absentee Ballot--to jump-start Election Reform NOW!

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*(FDR kept running into a fascist Supreme Court, appointed in the previous Era of Greed that had caused the Great Crash of '29. Very similar to the situation that our reform candidates will face, if we ever get our election system under public control again. Millions of people out of work and starving; thousands of family farms being destroyed by the "dust bowl" and the banks. And the Supreme Court was blockading essential measures to put the country back on its feet. So FDR and the New Dealers planned to ADD younger, liberal justices to the Supreme Court, to balance out the rightwing fascist majority. Rightwing corporate newspapers called this "packing the Supreme Court" and portrayed it as the scheme of a dictator. But it was perfectly legal and within the rights--and even duty--of the majority, especially in such a national crisis. The Constitution does not specify the number of Supreme Court justices. Nine is an arbitrary number. It can be changed by Congress. (Take note! We may well need this in the future!) The rightwing reaction was so intense (that era's "swift-boating" and dirty Rovian tactics) that FDR had to back off from the plan. However, the THREAT of adding liberal justices, and the common sense of the New Deal programs, caused one justice to change his mind (--name of Roberts, interestingly), and the program that he saved from a rightwing Supreme Court blockade was SOCIAL SECURITY!

(Deja vu, no? Here we are again, with Social Security under assault, and the rightwing corporatists wanting NO safety net under the American people--so they can smash our faces into the dust, rob us of every penny, enslave us and use our children as cannon fodder for their corporate oil wars! The fact is they are ALREADY looting Social Security--borrowing against it--as well as government pension funds, to pay for multiple tax cuts for the super-rich, and for killing and torturing Arabs and Persians to get their oil. They are as out of control as the pigs who caused the Great Depression--the glitterati of that era, who were holding "Beggars' Balls" in the Waldorf-Astoria, where the super-rich dressed up like hobos and tramps for fun, while the poor people in the streets froze to death and starved to death. The only difference that I see between that era and this one is direct fascist control of the voting counting, with these new electronic voting systems. We CANNOT change course. The essential "check and balance" against fascist power--the will of the majority--has been thwarted.)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 12:15 PM
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14. W has a secret plan to save social security
I think it involves sending retirees to Mars
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 12:39 AM
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19. Jr can't keep secrets can he? This is ALL the Dems need to bury
those bastards in November.
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