Secret CIA prisons should not be closed: Rice

[Judi Lynn]

Secret CIA prisons should not be closed: Rice
Sep 10, 2006, 18:58 GMT

Washington - The United States' network of secret overseas CIA prisons, to which US President George W Bush finally admitted earlier this week, should not be closed down, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday.

President Bush and Rice and believed that American citizens would like to keep all means at their disposal to obtain information legally from terrorist suspects, she told America's CBS television.

The information gleaned helped make the US safer, she said.

Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the US, it had become clear that information was the missing ingredient in preventing terrorist attacks, Rice said.

Finding out who exactly was planning attacks was like looking for a needle in a haystack and was unfeasible, she said. What was needed instead was information.
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http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1199977.php/Secret_CIA_prisons_should_not_be_closed_Rice

[stranger81]

1. Rice and crew are utterly insane . . . . .

It's not information they need. Any remember the August 2001 PDBs? It's the political will to do anything besides redistributing money from the poor to their wealthy friends that they lack.

And anyone that thinks gulags make us safer is smoking crack.

[ShortnFiery]

24. No, behaving viciously anti-social beyond all sense of civility

and respect for the basic dignity of *all* HUMAN life (Yeah, that includes Muslims) is NOT considered LEGALLY INSANE. Rice, Rummy, Cheney and Dear Leader are *War Criminals* who should be held accountable. If they are not punished in this life, I have faith that they will BURN IN HELL for their EVIL DEEDS for all of eternity. This Criminal Administration and the Fundy Kool-aid drinkers who support them without question are NOT Christians. Rather they are corrupt ghoulish warmongers who MUST be removed from our American Leadership ranks. :grr:

[grahamhgreen]

2. Secret prisons where you can torture people, I.E.:- DUNGEONS!

Secret prisons containing secret prisoners arrested on secret charges where they are interrogated using secret techniques... THEY USED TO CALL THESE DUNGEONS!

[louis-t]

3. What? Secret prisons?I thought we didn't have secret prisons.

Condi, Gonzo, Cheney-all denied that we had them.

[acmejack]

4. I agree!

We need a place to send her & the rest of the War Criminals...

[nealmhughes]

6. There are three places to send them: the Hague, then Spandau, then

as Nature takes its course, to the dustbin of history.

[gratuitous]

7. First thing that crossed my mind

If it's good for the goose, it's certainly good for the gander. A few minutes of waterboarding on Chimpy, Crashcart, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld might give us all kinds of information of what this administration has been up to behind our backs with our money for the last five years plus.

[Monkeyman]

10. Iraq in uniform

[pinto]

5. "Legally" might be a problematic phrase for your crew, Condi.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. "information was the missing ingredient"?

Not really. There was plenty of information about odd arabs taking flight lessons with unsettling interests. What was missing was any interest above the field agent level in determining exactly what these folks were really about. What continues to be missing is an explanation for why all efforts to investigate and track the 9-11 operatives were dead ended. What is missing is an explanation for why this administration had little interest at all in al qaeda and its activities before 9-11, and appears to have little interest in what they are up to again. Five years after 9-11 and al qaeda appears to be doing just fine. Five years after Pearl Harbor WWII was history.

There is no excuse for torture. There is no excuse for secret overseas torture centers other than the need of this administration to avoid judicial oversight, other than a mechanism to commit war crimes with impunity. Ms Rice needs to be held accountible. Ms. Rice and the rest of the conspirators in the Cabal need to be arrested and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Off to the Hague with them.

[krispos42]

21. That's why Coleen Rowley is running for MN's 2nd CD

She's the Minneapolis FBI field agent that was screaming to Washington about Moussaoui. One of 3 2002 Time Magazine Persons of the Year. We're going to need her 24 years experience as an FBI agent to work through BushCo's crimes!

I do think that in the world of intelligence and covert ups thre is occasionally a need for rough and probably illegal treatment. By occasionally I mean like once a decade or once a career. And I expect the entire thing to be hushed up, and if it leaks out, I expect the perpetrators to fall on their swords and move on, perhaps into civilian life if they avoid jail. It's a rough, shadowy game.

The fact that we are doing it so often as to require a NETWORK of secret prisons tells me something is horribly, horribly wrong.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. My answer to the 'ticking bomb' conundrum

goes a bit further than yours. If the case for torture is that compelling, then everyone involved in the act must also agree to turn themselves in, plead guilty, and accept the punishment for the crime they have committed. Only then would the act of torture be ethically acceptable, only then would I be convinced that no other means of obtaining the same quality of information in a timely fashion existed.

[krispos42]

30. Works for me... n/t

[Auntie Bush]

9. Condi should call a spade a spade. They are Gulags that practice torture.

And Condi, bush*, Cheney and Rummy plus many others all belong in one. I can see Condi sputtering and screaming as she comes up from the water board..."Stop, I'll tell you anything!
Yes, bush* is an evil stupid man and Cheney is really the president. What else do you want to know?"

[lumpy]

20. Bushco took gulag lessons from

the Stalinists and Condi Rice, the Russian expert.

[stepnw1f]

11. sick and twisted like Nazis... She Gets Off On It

and so do Bush supporters. It makes them feel superior....

[Disturbed]

12. Trust the Busholini Regime.

The Secret Prisons are required to garner info. from Terrorists. The Regime does not torture the detainees. The Red Cross is not allowed to seek info about detainees in Secret Prisons so trust The Busholini Regime because they are protecting you. Now shut up and go about your own business!

[saigon68]

15. She has a Weird Sexual condition that obtains arousal through torture

SHE IS ONE SICK HUMAN BEING

[Eugene]

13. We have their word for it that they transferred everyone out.

If BushCo is determined to keep its gulag system open, they obviously
didn't transfer the 14 "high value" detainees because the realized
the error of their ways. Their high profile made holding them
further more trouble than it was worth.

How many lower profile ghost detainees are still in the system
being pumped for information?

[Warren Stupidity]

17. They have not made that claim.

I would assume that the planet-wide exo-gulag is pretty well booked up with the missing and disappeared. The 14 are pawns being used to push congress to legislate around treaty and constitution to sanction illegal and unconstitutionall tribunals.

[ConcernedCanuk]

14. So arresting American citizens & keeping them in limbo abroad is ok then??

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.
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Would seem like it to me . .

[LynnTheDem]

16. So the only difference between bushCartel's America and Hitler's Germany

is body count.

But then, bush isn't done yet and no one knew Hitler's real body count for years after the fact...

[sandnsea]

18. We needed Clinton's Anti-terror Legislation

That Republicans blocked, that's what we needed.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/clinton.terror.wav

[Canuckistanian]

19. Well, they should keep at least ONE cell open

You won't be needing those shoes, Ms. Rice.

[aaronbees]

22. She may need a place to stay someday .... eom

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. In Better Homes & Gardens they visited Condi's house.

This is what they found in every bathroom:

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

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[superconnected]

27. Bad irony since She and George and Dick belong in prison.

Only it should be a public one with public trials.

The whole idea of secret prisons run by america makes me sick.

[The2ndWheel]

28. Does anyone think they will be?

They're not going anywhere.

[dkofos]

29. I agree

We need a place to send the * administration.
Gitmo is full.

[Supersedeas]

31. no discussion of 'all means at their disposal' is complete w/out mention

of the case of al-Libi.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/9/92136/5352

<The NYTimes reports, as diaried here, that the false statements of an Al Qaida-Iraq link made by captured Al Qaida leader Ibn Al-Shaykh Al-Libi, relied upon by the Bush Administration to argue in favor of the Iraq war, came as a result of torture threats:

< officials said the captive, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, provided his most specific and elaborate accounts about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda only after he was secretly handed over to Egypt by the United States in January 2002, in a process known as rendition.

<The new disclosure provides the first public evidence that bad intelligence on Iraq may have resulted partly from the administration's heavy reliance on third countries to carry out interrogations of Qaeda members and others detained as part of American counterterrorism efforts. The Bush administration used Mr. Libi's accounts as the basis for its prewar claims, now discredited, that ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda included training in explosives and chemical weapons.

<If the illegality of torture and the immorality of torture and extraordinary rendition are not sufficient for the rejection of these inhuman and barbaric practices, perhaps the American People might consider the fact that the use of torture and extraordinary rendition was a direct cause of the United States making the biggest strategic blunder since Vietnam.>

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

32. My only question is;

if you really need these prisons, why do they have to be kept secret?