Bush/Repuke photo-op, ground zero wreaths. No Dems allowed.

[MarinCoUSA]

At Tapped blog posted 8:30am

<http://www.prospect.org/weblog/|OBSCENE>


Both the Times and the Post note this morning that Bush laid two wreaths at ground zero last night in the company of George Pataki, Mike Bloomberg, and Rudy Giuliani. The Post goes well out of its way to remark that the event “left aside the partisan rancor” that…well, that Bush & Co. have enforced on the country since about 9-14.

If this event was so nonpartisan, where were Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton? Neither paper makes any mention of their having been there. I’m told that in fact they were not invited


-Michael Tomasky

[cspanlovr]

1. If thats true, it is really disgusting.

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[KyndCulture]

15. WTF?

and welcome to DU.

[Kerrytravelers]

18. You've made tow posts... both snippy and pointless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2106937



Troll somewhere else.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Snippy? Pointless? Pretty much.

Using 9-11 for partisan politics is disgusting. It's about as disgusting as politics can get.

But for some reason you disagree.

And then pretend we're the ones with the problem.

Talk about unbalanced.

[MaryRN]

26. Might I recommend checking out the Free Republic site? You might

find yourself more comfortable in that environment.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. thugs...

Aren't they the sorts of people that go around calling other people stupid?

[MaryRN]

35. Why are you here?

[saigon68]

37. Enjoy your very short stay

It will be brief

[w4rma]

27. I think you are describing yourself. (nt)

[CatWoman]

32. What's your Bond girl name?

Vesty Vagina?

[saigon68]

38. Au Revoir

[Bandit]

19. Maybe you could lead by example

Your post is childish and snippish. How does it bring good to the world? We seek the truth and In Our Opinion that is bringing good to the world.

[Submariner]

20. We are focused

We are doing the best we can to remove the excrement from the Christo-fascist White House, but Bush will not do the decent thing and resign.

As a marine biologist I was doing good in the world, but that has slowed down since the idiot-in-chief war pussy has blown our nations treasure on the Iraq boondoggle rather than on environmental protection of our nations resources.

As a Vietnam era veteran I am focused on getting an AWOL weeny out of the White House because it is a travesty to have a criminal deserter holding public office on any level.

If you had two elections stolen from your freeper party you'd be bitter too.

[hootinholler]

21. Bitter?

Nah, I'm waaay past bitter. Oh, I believe in good works too, but, it's hard to believe that good works will return my subverted country to my children.

Welcome to DU and let me know how this strategy works out for you.

-Hoot

[Mandate My Ass]

22. Bitter?

Not nearly as bitter nor as viciously spiteful as Republicans from 1992-2000.

Thanks for the free advice though, it was well worth every penny. :hi:

[MaryRN]

24. "Some of you?"

sound bitter? resentful? Well, so may it be. That is usually the human response when crimes and lies and fake wars and stolen elections and hijacked media and breaches of all things moral and ethical are perpetrated on a group of people. Obviously, being new to DU, you are uninformed yet as to the good that IS being done in the name of our democracy and search for the truth so since you're on order-giving mode, perhaps you could focus on familiarizing yourself with this forum before you insert yourself into a discussion that you evidently are not informed about. And a word of advice - on the anniversary of this day, I don't think people are really in the mood for this kind of rhetoric so you might want to consider holding up on provocative comments and instead, go do some research as to just why it is that people may have strong emotions.

[Beetwasher]

36. I Say This With Utmost Sincerity

You're an idiot. Grownups would actually be bi-partisan and invite the Democratic Senators to such an event. Bush's politicization and whoring of 9/11 is one of the most tasteless things ever done in politics, especially considering his culpability for allowing 9/11 to happen.

Unlike you, there are people on this board who CAN post AND do good in the world. They are not mutually exclusive. Apparently your pea brain doesn't allow for that concept. I do more good for this world before 9am than you've probably ever done in your pathetic life.

Oh, and before you get all bent out of shape, you should know, 9/11 is very personal to me. I'm a NY'er AND a 9/11 survivor. So, may I say, you and Bush should both fuck off together and take your politicization of this event, and shove it up your respective asses until you puke it out the other end.

Bitter enough for you?

[MaryRN]

40. My heart goes out to you...

I'm simply a neighbor in CT who watched in horror and grief as the events unfurled and I can't imagine what it must have been like for you. I wish I could wave a magic wand to bring you peace and comfort but I can only offer you the assurance that there isn't a day that goes by where you are not all here in my heart.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

49. Well said!

I'm sorry I missed the post that was deleted. Must have been a dandy! I feel as you do, I'm tired of the Repukes and their photo ops for Terra - Terra- Terra and 9-11, 9-11! I live in Cleveland and this city really believes they are going to get the 2008 Convention. I just laugh. The Moron and the Moron party will be standing in the shadows of the Twin Towers in NYC. This party is beyond disgusting.

[gratuitous]

2. Who's being partisan?

When Bush insists that he appear only with other Republicans, and shuts out the Democratic elected politicians, who's being partisan? When "for security reasons" (see The Rude Pundit) the public is shuffled off the viewing areas so they don't see Bush as a tiny little man in a big deep hole, who's being partisan?

And the major media will once again play along with the charade, and be ready to tut-tut the Democrats for being "partisan" because their GOP overlords say so.

[Demeter]

3. And That's A Good Thing

Boorish behavior plays so well with the voting public, especially those Southern women who will be all important in upcoming elections, and the NASCAR dads have a code of honor for men; I'm sure they will take note.

The Bushites don't understand that you cannot buy nor steal a good name. And since they haven't done anything with the loot except enrich themselves and their cronies, there truly isn't anything going for them.

[rrasile]

12. It's a good thing

Now if we could just get each one of the bastards all together in one place and everyone think hard enough maybe we can wish for the earth to open up and take them to their true god. The god of blackness.

[Mz Pip]

4. Partisan rancor....

NYC is about 85% Democratic. Where were all the Congressmen from NYC?

Just another Republican photo op. So obvious it's sickenining.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[HockeyMom]

67. Namely, Where was Nadler?

It's his district. But he is not only a Democrat, but an outspoken one at that. Hell, Bush would probably have liked to dis-invite Bloomberg too, but that would have far too obvious.

[catnhatnh]

5. Exactly...

At very least all members of the house and senate leadership should have been invited and all NY state senators and representatives-but I guess there are a few of those that would have laughed at geogie's sudden solemnity and horror since three years ago he stated he didn't think of Osama very much.....

[Warren DeMontague]

6. Yeah, well, it's easy to leave aside the partisan rancor

if only one party is represented.

[Vinca]

7. Republicans view 9/11 as a campaigning tool. It's obvious.

And sickening.

[MaineDem]

8. I view Bush as a campaigning tool. n/t

[eviltwin2525]

57. I, too, view Bush as a tool.

(Actually, I try to avoid viewing him as much as possible -- I have enough problem with acid reflux, as it is.)

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[Tyler Durden]

39. Time to leave, kiddo.

Seriously, you're either trolling or on the wrong board.

We SUPPORT Democrats and the LEFT here. And your vision of reality is rather childish.

May I send you an enlistment form? As a USN/USMC veteran, I think a tour in Iraq might open your eyes a little.

[Ferret Annica]

41. Well the other kids are/would do it...

...is still a mud dumb angle to defend the tackiness of the Bush criminal syndicate with.

Bush lied, and people still die.

Worse then that, 9-11 was an inside job, he blew up the buildings, the jet-liners did not bring them down.

[Jack Frost]

60. please stay off my side...

Sorry to be so blunt, but my side is the one that relies on logic, physics and actual evidence.
I'm as liberal as the next person in here, but I also have common sense and an affinity for logic.
If we want people to take us (the left) seriously, we have to let go of these loony conspiracy theories.
They're not logical, and ALL OF THEM fall apart at the seams when you look at ALL the evidence, not just the cherry picked pieces which are then filtered through the "they did it" spectrum and stuff is taken out of context and quotes are even partial, just to make them fit the preconceived idea.

9/11 was NOT an inside job, and I can prove it:

Look at the administration. Everything they've set out to do so far has failed miserably, wouldn't you agree?
With that in mind, how can you believe they were competent enough to pull of something on the level of 9/11???
All of these theories have one fallacy in common: they all assume this administration is competent, and with all the evidence to the contrary, why should this event be looked at any differently?

Don't you get it? Placing explosives in those buildings capable of bringing them down, would have required a lot of manpower and a lot of time, during which SOMEONE would most definitely have noticed all the trucks and explosives experts working in their building for days.

Go buy the "Debunking 9/11 Myths" book.
It answers all your silly questions about what really happened, and some even sillier that you may not even have heard of.

It really was Osama Bin Laden and his 19 loser friends.
Get over it, move on, spend your time on actual issues, not fantasies, wishful thinking and fairytales (let's leave those to the religious right).

The GOP used and abused the attacks for their own political gain and they still do.
That makes them sick, twisted and evil, but it doesn't make them complicit.

[Ferret Annica]

63. I make no secret I don't agree with you on 9-11,

but don't posture so condescendingly as to insult my view is so disdainful a fashion. I also have a track record of dealing with real life issues and am an activist in real life as well, so in that regard speak for yourself.

You give me an interesting trip down memory lane of having been banned in places like Free Republic because of a lack of toleration for the right to argue a view. I've heard what you say before in worse places then this by very mud dumb FReepers, and this stuff still doesn't impress me anymore now then it did then.

All due respect, but YOU need to get out and open your eyes, because I don't think this administration is sane or on the up and up in anyway at all. And others and I have found evidence of what they did where the complexity of their operations reveal what they actually did. Criminals always leave flaws in their tapestry of crime, and it is sound human nature to investigate and ferret out any deceit that points to shadow government operations. You shouldn't begrudge the Alex Jones' of the world for investigating and going where the timid and domesticated press dare not. It is what a free press is actually supposed to do.

When they release that videotape of the crash into the Pentagon they seized, when they stop harassing professionals who debunk the official storyline and have their results peer proofed, when the tests showing residue of thermite reactions, and when many puzzling questions concerning the World Trade Center are answered adequately and appropriately, I will agree to your contentions on 9-11 if my opinion proves wrong.

All that browbeating me about honest differences of opinion is show how desperate and ugly the people in charge of these false flag operations are getting. Thanks for sharing what others and I expect to see as the 9 11 truth movement gains stream, what you say doesn't bother me at all.

Interesting post, thanks.

[Jack Frost]

64. It wasn't meant as a slam...

and while I took great care not to say anything personal, you immediately assume I'm no good.

But then again, you didn't even try to counter my actual argument, instead you offered more of the same paranoid conspiracy stuff.
Yes, the administration is a collection of maniacs, chickenhawks, war mongerers, war criminals and petty thugs with empirical dreams.
This we all know, as they so fervently display that every chance they get.

But one does not prove the other.
Just because there's a thief living in your apartment building, doesn't automatically mean everything that gets stolen in your building was stolen by him. There has to be more proof than that.
Just because someone is driving a stolen car, doesn't mean they stole the car.
You can't jump from point A to point Z without going through B through Y.

There is no credible evidence that suggests these baboons had anything to do with what happened on 9/11.
Basically, what we have is misplaced distrust. You distrust them, so anything bad that happens must have been their doing.
You may not even be aware that you're doing it, but you're filtering ALL information to fit your pre-conceived idea that they did it.
You've already made up your mind, and no amount of evidence is going to change your mind. That means you're the one who needs to open his eyes. Mine are already open, and I'm making a logical and objective judgement based on the available facts, not subjective speculation based on half-truths, cherry picked information and wishful thinking.

I'm not browbeating you for having a difference of opinion, I'm criticizing you for chasing a red herring.
There are so many other far more productive things you could be doing with your time.

[Ferret Annica]

68. I don't know you and don't pretend to be Miss Clara...

I don't have any insight into your character after one post to know if you are good or not.

Actually I started with a very skeptical attitude toward the 9 11 Truth Movement and come to the table examining the evidence as someone with experience in Special Forces in the U.S. Army, and with a very good education.

From my perspective, you are arguing the line well of an anti-conspiracy nut, and YOU don't address the points I brought up that are problematic about the official account of 9-11.

I want answers, answers that have not been provided in a forthcoming enough manner to assuage any suspicions about the false flag operations which occurred on 9-11.

These people have been doing what they are doing for a long time and well practiced in the deception needed to carry out this high a level of coordinated operations, and they are being undone by the mistakes they have made, and the nature of the evidence of what they really did. With the Internet and the ability to communicate information and discussion about what occurred, the official story is in a danger of unraveling.

I am well aware first hand of much the end justifies the means aspect of operations like the inside job of 9-11, and that plausible denial is a game they still are at to try to make mid-course corrections for problems that have occurred when they have been caught defying the laws of gravity and physics, and when they confiscate videos of the view of the crash into the Pentagon and do not release them.

There is a broad range if issues I have spent much time on another forum on this issue, but I'll be glad to engage you in lively discussion here on them too if you'd like.

These people had articulated a longing for something like 9-11 happening years ago to galvanize the U.S. into a conflict oriented mode to make our military available to engage in illegal and immoral wars in Iraq and elsewhere a long time ago. And it is no surprise, nor a stretch of credibility to see them do something like this of to believe this happened.

If the search for truth had not found important pieces to the puzzle in an environment where there is an aggressive effort to hide and deny the evidence, it wouldn't be as big as it is and still gathering steam.

Like it or not, the truth is going to come out, no matter how hard it is o believe our government could do something like this or not.

[Jack Frost]

69. like I said...

no amount of evidence is going to change your mind... unlike me, as I go where the evidence leads me, no matter what the outcome (I would be a hypocrite and not a very good scientist if I didn't).

I'm not going to go through your questions item by item, as they've all already been answered, albeit probably not to your satisfaction (re-read the first sentence of this post).

You should buy a book called "Debunking 9/11 Myths", although I doubt it will do much to change your mind.
Being steadfast is one thing, being stubborn is another. You're being stubborn.
If there was evidence that conclusively proved, or even remotely suggested that the US government had purpetrated the greatest terrorist attack on US soil, believe me I would be among the first to scream bloody murder.
The fact of the matter is that there is none. The only thing you have is conjecture, speculation, assumptions based on partial information, misunderstandings and in many cases simple ignorance about physics and often just plain lies to make the story fit the message.

Did certain members of this government want a big event to happen? Most likely not.
Did they knew one would be necessary to put their ultimate agenda in motion?
Yes, so if anything they were probably less diligent about preventing one than they should have been.

Does that mean they planned and executed 9/11? Not by a long shot. There's a long way from A to Z on that one.

You keep talking about the reasons why they would want to, but you don't talk about any evidence showing that that they did.
Yes, there will be unanswered questions about that day, simply because we will never know all the facts. Not because they've been maliciously hidden, but because a lot of the people who would have been able to tell us, were killed that day, and so was a good chunk of the physical evidence.

Distrusting your government is one thing, believing it is sinister without proof is quite another.

The reason why they stonewalled the investigation is probably as simple as this: they knew that there had been a monumental intelligence failure, and that they had ignored warnings, and they knew it would look bad, so they tried to cover it up... badly.
The sad part is, by doing so, they actually inspired a lot of these conspiracy guesses (I don't like calling them theories as they don't really qualify as theories, at least not in the scientific context of the word).

Apply Occam's Razor, and you'll see that none of these conspiracies hold water.

I think we can agree to disagree, but I still maintain you're wasting your energy chasing a red herring.

[MaryRN]

42. We are real. Shame on you.

[ManWroteTheBible]

51. surely you jest...

Clinton was the most bipartisan president we've had in awhile. REPUBLICANs made everything about Clinton a partisan issue - not Clinton. Perhaps you should get your facts straight befor popping off with a comment so off-base.

[pinerow]

9. Check this out....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/11/23056/7770

[petronius]

10. I think you all are misreading the article...

By "left aside" they don't mean that the Bushies overcame their rancor, it means they 'swept it under the rug', 'hid it', 'pushed it out of sight', etc. The article is just saying that Bush didn't invite any Ds, but is trying to make it sound like a good thing... :silly:

[drm604]

16. "Swept it Under the Rug"

And if you look at the pictures in pinerow's dkos link you'll see what that rug looks like. It's an American flag, and guess who's standing on it?

[petronius]

29. Wow, I didn't notice that...

http://i103.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/m142/stopgeorge2/r1066002127.jpg

"I'm the president, I don't hafta respect nothing!" <STOMP!> "Now where's that Constitution doormat?"

I thought Rs were all worked up about not defacing the flag - this one photo pretty much puts the lie to all of that bullshit...

[Aviation Pro]

44. You're kidding me....

Please tell me that this was Photoshopped. Please tell me it was. (If it wasn't, then this should be plastered throughout the U.S. in the run up to the election).

[petronius]

47. I'm assuming it's real...

Disgusting, but true. There are a few more shots in the link in post #9 by pinerow. And I agree, that is a shot that should get a fair amount of pre-election distribution; it is highly symbolic of the R mindset...

[FoxOnTheRun]

65. it just a gd piece of carpet

[MaryRN]

28. aka "spin"

[eShirl]

11. Standard Republican operating proceedure nowadays.

Democrats aren't even human, why include them?

[wakeme2008]

13. I guess Joey turn them down

:rofl:

[ananda]

17. That's the new media-propaganda rule..

.. no Dems allowed at Bush events or interviews,
not even to offer another view or rebuttal.

The rightwing media is totally biased and
intimidated by BushInc.

[katinmn]

34. Little Lord Pissy Pants continues to milk the tragedy for all he's worth

So what else is new?

9-11 is the gift that keeps on giving for this wannabe dictator.

As the country mourns, Junior struts around for the cameras.

[rocktivity]

43. Way to inflame the Dem base, Georgie

Unless you know for SURE that the fix is in for November, I wouldn't make Dem voters any angrier if I were you.

:headbang:
rocknation

[wisteria]

45. How partisan NOT TO HAVE Democrats included in this occasion.

What disingenuous slugs they are. Just like Bush's speech tonight isn't going to be political. Who do they think they are kidding. They are sick people. Milking 9/11 for all its political worth. There is no sincerity flowing in any of their veins, only crude oil.

[Ferret Annica]

46. Bush lied, people died, 9-11 was an inside job

Left, Adolf Hitler, right photo, a similar sort of criminal, BW Bush.

[civildisoBDence]

50. Where'd you ferret that out from? Nice one.

I can't stand DUHbya's swagger (which is pretty Mussolini/Hitleresque.) The palms facing backwards, hands six inches from his sides, his chest puffed out, and the knees pointing away from each other like he's riding a horse.

WTF? Is he a high school bully or a pro wrestler or what?

Newsprism

[geardaddy]

52. And you know * stretches

and rubs his belly. God, I HATE that.

[Benhurst]

61. Yeah, the Bush Crime Family is always trying to do things like

Hitler, yet Hitler, in his own sick way, always did them better.

To hell with fascists!

[IWantAChange]

48. This is going to be the norm

until the elections. The painted picture is --- Republicans keep us safe - Democrats don't have the phone number of the Pentagon or CIA/FBI. Complaining about it in blogs is fine - doing something about it in a larger forum - writing letters to your Congressmen, donating money, donating time - that's what is going to win the midterms for the Dems.

[gatorboy]

53. CNN is doing the same thing.

when promoting their special on 9/11, they showed Bush, Giuliani....John McCain... McCain????

[Swede Atlanta]

54. McCain is the chosen successor for 2008

I think CNN has chosen McCain to succeed Dumbass unless Dumbass decides to declare martial law and stay in power until the war on terra, terra, terra is over.

[DFW]

55. This is all part of the ABC program

During the day, pretend no Democrats exist (in New York, no less!)
During the evening, pretend 9/11 was the Democrats' fault.

This whole 5 year "commemoration" is one big, well-financed,
perfectly choreographed Republican campaign infomercial.

Osama bin Laden was the single biggest contributor to the Bush
campaign of 2004, and the gift just keeps on giving (with a
little help from Richard Mellon-Scaife and friends).

I used to say that the Republicans' biggest fear was the next
Democratic Attorney General (assuming they are ever willing to
let there be another one). I will now add to that that ABC's
greatest fear is the next Democratic-appointed chairman of the FCC
(again, if one is ever permitted to exist).

After Nixon's disgraceful departure, there was a very good (and
largely factual) movie about the Watergate cover-up and uncovering
thereof, called "All The President's Men." When and if the crimes
committed against the country by Bush Lite and his controllers
ever come to light, and are dramatized in a factual film drama, in
order to present them all, the film will need more sequels than the
Star Trek series.

[TahitiNut]

56. What about Nadler, Maloney, and Rangel??

These are the congresscritters from Manhatten ... why the fuck were they excluded?

"Bipartisan" my drippy ass! Lying fascist farts! :grr:

[Fortunato]

58. have to agree

I'm not a cynic at heart, but yeah, in this case I have to agree.

I think it's lame to claim "non-partisanship" without inviting along the most obvious representatives of New York State. Schumer and Clinton should have been there simply out of decorum, and thus the Bush admin had to work to exclude them.

A sure sign of maturity and non-partisanship is the ability of grown adults who disagree politically to still be able to set aside differences and treat each other with respect in pursuit of a common socially beneficial goal.

Sigh. It's amazing how, even when you give them a shot to do things right and play level, they still manage to disappoint.

[ramapo]

59. Outrageous

The Republicans have no sense of shame...

[IrishTbag33]

62. WTF?

This is just another political scam by the Bush administration trying to show people that "Democrats don't care about America."

[winston61]

66. Well duh!!--

Do you think Monkey Boy was going to invite the opposition to a campaign event? Trust me, the images of Georgie will reappear in campaign ads.