Dean: Bush May Have Been Tipped to 9/11 Attacks

[joeunderdog]

Cation: NewsMax angle...

It looks like ex-congressional nutball Cynthia McKinney has picked up some new support for her conspiracy theory that President Bush had advance word of the 9/11 attacks - from none other than Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean.

Dean said on Monday that President Bush is withholding documents related to 9/11 because they may show he knew what was coming.

"The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis," Dean told a caller to Washington, D.C's Diane Rehm Show, according to a transcript obtained by Opinion Journal.com.

"Now, who knows what the real situation is?" the presidential conspiracy theorist cautioned. He then added, "But the trouble is, by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kinds of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not."

more...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/2/203631.shtml

[Timefortruth]

1. His point will certainly be taken out of context.

But who cares, the lie is what rules, if it isn't this it will be something else.

[Forkboy]

28. How much you want to bet

that we'll see some DUers doing just that in a day or two.I'd even name names if I could :)

[Guaranteed]

2. Rove's losing his touch....

Took him long enough to spin this one. Normally these stories get out there well within 24 hours.

[ibegurpard]

3. Well of course that's how NewsmaKKKs will try to spin it.

n/t

[JM]

4. Could be Dean's new spin...

I'll show you mine if you show us yours (documents, that is...)

JM

[bushh8ter]

12. Maybe that was Dean's plan all along ----

Keep his governship records under wraps until he gets blasted for it then make * look bad when Dean reveals his records and throws the gauntlet down for * to follow suit.

[Triana]

5. It is true that...

...the more *resident DumbAss supresses this (or any) information, the more theories will be formed about it. But, that way, Bu$hit and his cronies can just call everyone 'conspiracy theorists' and blow them off. Convenient when you're trying to hide something...

definitely. It's the RepubliKKKan M.O.

[aquart]

25. Particularly if it's a conspiracy.

[seemslikeadream]

6. Cynthia McKinney never said that!!

That's right. The "quote" from McKinney is a complete fabrication. A whopper, a fabulous fib, a fake, a flim-flam. Just freakin' made up.

Lynette Clemetson, New York Times: Did you search the Atlanta Constitution?
I've heard that statement - it was all over the place.

Greg Palast, "Did you confirm this with McKinney?

So did you check the statement from the Floor of the House?

Lynette Clemetson, I think you have to go back to the House transcripts... I mean it was all over the place at the time.

Yes, this is one fact the Times reporter didn't fake: The McKinney "quote" was , indeed all over the place: in the Washington Post, National Public Radio, and needless to say, all the other metropolitan dailies -- everywhere but in Congresswoman McKinney's mouth.

Nor was it in the Congressional Record, nor in any recorded talk, nor on her Website, nor in any of her radio talks. Here's the Congresswoman's statement from the record:

"George Bush had no prior knowledge of the plan to attack the World Trade Center on September 11."

The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney
Greg Palast
June 19,2003
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/unitedstates/democracy/700.html.pf

[recidivist]

7. Taking NewsMax as a source?

I don't normally quibble over such things, but I'd look thrice before biting on this story. It is difficult to believe Dean would say something this breathtakingly stupid.

[NoKingGeorge]

9. Why would it be stupid to expose yet another lie.

Or why would stating that withholding information leads to speculation be stupid?

[curse10]

8. I don't think Dean is that retarded

he'd really have to be an ignoramus to say something like that.

[joeunderdog]

10. It may not be politically correct, but it may be sustantively correct...

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

They are hiding SOMEHTING. What are they so afraid of? Exposing the truth should be their pursuit, not a threat. It's not a conspiracy theory--it's an investigation.

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0209/0930_bdquig.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

I don't know what to believe, but I think they could clarify some things by letting the facts speak for themselves. I think that if Dean said this, then that's all he means.

[Fleshdancer]

11. If anyone is interested

I tracked down the small part amount of transcript found on opinion.com. I didn't actually hear the radio show so I'll take even this with a grain of salt:

Caller: Once we get you in the White House, would you please make sure that there is a thorough investigation of 9/11, and not stonewall it?

Dean: Yes. There is a report, which the president is suppressing evidence for, which is a thorough investigation of 9/11.

Rehm: Why do you think he's suppressing that report?

Dean: I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far--which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved--is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is? But the trouble is, by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kinds of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not. And eventually they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the key information that should go to the Kean commission.


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Dean never said he believed any of the theories, just that they are out there. It's true that the 9/11 report is being suppressed by the current administration and it's true that this creates even more questions. It's definately true that the theories exist so Dean didn't say anything all that crazy.

I know Dean is now looking into options on opening up his sealed records. While I personally don't care whether he does or not, I think by opening them, it makes arguments such as opening the results of 9/11 much easier to debate. Strategically it would be a good idea. Plus, investigative work needs to be done on whether Bush's records are truly unsealed or not.

I'm in Austin, I should check myself. If I can't get to them, then I could call and write the political journalists and inform them. I've never done anything like that before though...should be interesting.

[CheshireCat]

13. Please let us know the results of your investigation.

Whether Bush's records are truly unsealed or not is something I have wondered about for a while.

Does anyone here know what the criteria for keeping sealed records is?

Can he pick and choose what records he shows and to whom he shows them and still claim that they are sealed?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[JNelson6563]

14. It's true, I was the caller

And he did share the conspiracy ideas floating around due to the secrecy of the Bush misAdmin.

Glad I asked the question and that he answered it as he did.

Julie

[MoonAndSun]

15. Way to go Julie!!

and for Dean for putting it out there for people to talk about.

[Chomskyite]

16. The answer I keep seeing from Ivins Dubose and others is . . .

. . . they're not and Rick Perry has done the job of making sure they stay closed.

[madfloridian]

21. Here is my previous post about the restrictions on them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=817066

This leads to the Texas State Library site. Or the U of TX site. Not sure.

I would think there would have to be plenty of archivists available to vet everything. Archivists get 10 days, Attorney General get 45 days, and then it may be classified.

[0007]

17. Newsmax.com is no better than Rush Limbaugh and his lies!

This is a fucking joke, how dumb you ya think Dean is for christ sake?

[Lorien]

19. What's dumb about saying the theories

are out there? How many LIHOP and MIHOP discussions have there been on this board? Saying that those theories exist, and the files need to be opened to lay the issue to rest, seems logical and truthful enough to me. I know a young man whose dad was killed in tower two that day, and HE certainly would like to know what * has hidden away!

[southpaw72]

18. this isn't journalism

it's pure spin.

as in "spinning in its grave," which is what the corpse of the American free press is doing right now.

[crissy71]

20. Whether of not they knew about it

They certainly stood down our defenses that morning - it REALLY doesn't take an hour to scramble jets to protect DC airspace - and that's just the most obvious anamoly among many

Of course this is a political non-starter - the only voices on this issue that the media pays attention are the 911 widows, and certainly any politician who goes after the Bushies will be pilloried - it's one of the reasons our gov't is disfunctional now

[w4rma]

22. Newsmax chops up the quote so it's out of context.

From post #11:
…
Caller: Once we get you in the White House, would you please make sure that there is a thorough investigation of 9/11, and not stonewall it?

Dean: Yes. There is a report, which the president is suppressing evidence for, which is a thorough investigation of 9/11.

Rehm: Why do you think he's suppressing that report?

Dean: I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far--which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved--is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is? But the trouble is, by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kinds of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not. And eventually they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the key information that should go to the Kean commission.
…

[Sterling]

24. Whatever you want to think. Bottom line.

Dean thinks Bush knew and is willing to press the issue. I like that.

[snippy]

23. Dean should use this to pursue the August 6, 2001 briefing.

The majority of the American people will never believe either LIHOP or MIHOP, but they would believe that Bush received an intelligence briefing warning of an upcoming spectacular terrorist attack against a high profile target in the US possibly involving hijacked airplanes. That is what Bush was told on August 6, 2001 while on a 30 day vacation in Crawford, Texas after six grueling months as president.

The White House explained this briefing as merely a description of the historical practices and methods of al Qaeda, which is total Bushshit since Bush would never bother to learn that type of detailed information and even if he did there would be no reason to provide it while he was on vacation. Also, historical information is the type of information that Condi would explain to Bush while he was playing at being president. It would not be in a daily intelligence briefing.

A lot was written about this briefing in the months following 9/11 but the American people were still too stunned and frightened to contemplate, let alone accept, how massively incompetent Bush was. They were swept away by Bush playing commander-in-chief and by the need to prevent the next attack. The times have changed since then and now the American people are beginning to see through the Bushshit. I believe the democrats should make this a story again.

[Sterling]

26. The American people will believe the truth

When we have a leader with the guts to let us have it. What you think Americans will or will not believe is totally moot.

[Stephanie]

29. He got an Al Queda briefing in July, too-Then he hightailed it to Crawford

www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=KA01
The Secrets of September 11
The White House is battling to keep a report on the terror attacks secret. Does the 2004 election have anything to do with it?

April 30 — Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.

<snip>Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United States—and implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike “in the coming weeks,” the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: “The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.”

The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to “senior government officials.”


www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15957-2001
Summer Spinning
To GOP, Vacation Boosted Bush Agenda; To Democrats, Voters See a Shirk Ethic
Aug 29, <2001>

<snip>The White House had announced that Bush would stay at his 1,600-acre ranch in Crawford from Aug. 4 through Labor Day on Sept. 3, a 31-day stretch that would have broken a modern record for a presidential vacation, held by Richard M. Nixon for a 30-day trip to San Clemente, Calif., in 1969. News reports played up the record, and a Gallup Poll found that 55 percent of respondents thought Bush's vacation was too long.

The length of the trip revived old questions about Bush's work ethic, and the poll and the news coverage caused consternation in the White House. Aides said they had planned an ambitious schedule for Bush as long ago as late June, but reporters were not told about it, even after they landed here. The White House, suddenly defensive, took every opportunity to show Bush on the go and even created a "Western White House" logo for the briefing room at Crawford Elementary School. Bush revealed that his ranch had new video conferencing equipment for keeping in touch with his national security team.

www.jacksonholenews.com/Archives/NewsArchive/2001/010815-News.html
News story - Aug. 15, 2001
A Working Vacation
Vice President Cheney plans to fish, travel during month-long valley sojourn.
By Angus M. Thuermer Jr.

Vice President Dick Cheney took time off from his month-long working vacation Monday to outline his plans for August in Jackson Hole and to reflect on "an amazing year."

Cheney, who will live at his Teton Pines home about six miles west of Jackson until Labor Day, defended his energy policy, supported a local decision to limit drilling around the Gros Ventre Wilderness, recalled a life of service in Washington and said his health problems are not affecting his ability to fish for trout on his favorite Western waters.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

[coralrf]

27. Joeunderdog..you are making Rove mad

aand I know that is not what you want to do.

Newsmax. Ok.

You title your thread:

"Dean: Bush May Have Been Tipped to 9/11 Attacks"

Your words not mine and then you lamely try to offer a "quote" that says no such thing. You quote:

"The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis,"

Yup. He and a million folks have been saying that for some time. THAT! Not that Bush knew that on Sept. 11 aircraft would be flown into the Trade Towers. Dean is saying that the president was warned that an immanent attack was in the works. The significance is not that Bush ignored 9/11 but that he failed to ratchet up America's anti Terrorism programs and in fact appointed a AG that reduced funding for anti-terror. He sat back while Ashcroft shafted the anti-terror budget in favor of religious aims and all the while had been warned that something was brewing.

I don’t think much of X-Ray Dean but I do think we owe him an all an honest eye.

Now about Rove. He wants Dean to be the man because he correctly knows that he will annihilate him. Don’t run Dean down my man..you will piss your boy Rove off.

[jpgray]

30. He's playing this smart, from the statement

He's saying Bush should dispel the rumors and release the info, though he assumes (rightly, I think) that there are serious embarrassments in that information. Saying he himself *believes* that information is there would be a press whore's delight.

[Nlighten1]

31. I want him to ask why the media isn't investigating it.

And why they aren't making a bigger stink about Chimpy's refusal to let them see his documents pertaining to the day.

[Jim Sagle]

32. Psstt...don't tell anyone, but Little Green Footballs is onto us!!!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=9151_Dean_Fitted_for_Tin_Foil_Beanie#comments

:hi: Hi, dumbfucks!