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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:19 PM
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AP: Gonzales Wants ISPs to Save User Data
Gonzales Wants ISPs to Save User Data

By HOPE YEN
The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 19, 2006; 1:25 PM

WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that Congress
should require Internet service providers to preserve customer records,
asserting that prosecutors need them to fight child pornography.

Testifying to a Senate panel, Gonzales acknowledged the concerns of some company
executives who say legislation might be overly intrusive and encroach on customers'
privacy rights. But he said the growing threat of child pornography over the Internet
was too great.

"This is a problem that requires federal legislation," Gonzales told the Senate
Banking Committee. "We need information. Information helps us makes cases."

He called the government's lack of access to customer data the biggest obstacle
to deterring child porn.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/19/AR2006091900779.html
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:22 PM
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1. The old child porn Budgie Man
But President Hillary will love this Data Mining Data :evilgrin:
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:23 PM
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2. So instead of taking X number of child porn sites offline...
...AG want to be able to see every freaking webpage any American has ever surfed at home.

Yeah, right.

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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:28 PM
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4. My thoughts exactly!!!! n/t
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:33 PM
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6. That's what proves that they really AREN'T after who they say they are....
...or do you mean to tell me that they simply can't shut those sites down now?

Complete and utter bullshit....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:34 PM
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8. attacking the symptoms and not the cause and gathering everything into
the net
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:59 PM
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12. I think P2P is the actual target
It's too private and secure for Big Brother's taste.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:28 PM
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3. Here we go again - further eroding personal freedom. Oust him!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:30 PM
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5. "All your data are belong to us." - Big BushCo cabal of FascioCronies
But remember, Big BushCo loves you.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:33 PM
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7. I suppose we could stop child porn if we had a totalitarian police state.
and I imagine some Americans would go along with doing just that, "for the children".
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:36 PM
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9. I believe we should keep records of everyone who buys digital cameras. . .
install counters on the cameras, and require people to account for every click they make. I believe anyone who steps into (or even near) a playground -- public or private, with or without children -- should be photographed, fingerprinted, and grilled unmercifully to ascertain their true purpose for being there. I believe everyone, including parents, who buys a child a gift, expresses interest in the child's activities, or gives a child encouragement, should be tortured until they give up the true reasons for their "concern." Anyone over 12 who enters a Chuck E. Cheese should be slammed in a dungeon and kept on a diet of air and humidity until they confess the lust in their loins.

The threat of child anything is too great for us to stand idly by. We must act -- recklessly, foolishly, illegally: it doesn't matter -- we just need to act.

This I believe (and my being crazy as a hoot owl doesn't diminish the wisdom of my desire to control protect everyone).
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:01 PM
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13. Anyone want to bet that Big Brother, AKA Gonzales does lots of "research"
on the subject of child porn? Pete Townsend style research.
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:45 PM
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26. Wouldn't be surprised, let's audit Congress and White House Computers
and see what they've been up to.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:08 PM
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17. Kodak should account for film paper
That's the real equivalent. If ISP's should have to account for every move of every internet client, then Kodak should have to account for what was printed on its film paper.

This is just insane. Between phone calls and credit and emails and road cameras, they'll have a record of every move every person makes.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:36 PM
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10. Porn my ass....
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 01:38 PM by AnneD
it's just a ploy to grab more info. They seem to be snag these dirtbags fine without this data. Uh, and I assume the court will oversee the search warrants for these records? Just like FISA? Yeh, riiiightt. Just what I thought.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:48 PM
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11. Hey asshole!
I want my phone records, now!!!!!!!

Left of Cool
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:02 PM
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14. Fuck you Torture Boy!
I hope he gets tried for being a schmuck. What a tool.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:03 PM
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15. Bull. He doesn't give a flip about child porn. This is about control.(nt)
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:04 PM
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16. Child porn is just the cover. Using this they could build a massive
datamining database that would cover every aspect of human behavior from cheating spouses, offshore
tax investing, witchcraft, atheism, poetry, people who like Madonna, etc, etc, etc.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:10 PM
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18. That does it. I'm cleaning out my server logs NOW.
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 02:11 PM by longship
I'm going to script the regular deletion and wiping of all logs.

Child porn is the excuse. We all know what they want to really do--stifle dissent.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:29 PM
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20. I'm interested in doing that too
Can you share the scripts?
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:40 PM
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21. Do you use Linux or a derivative of Unix?
There are probably plenty of scripts out there to do this.
I plan on Googling and see if I can find a good one. I'll PM you if I do.
Why reinvent the wheel? ;-)
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:43 PM
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24. Linux
I tried auto log rotation but didn't work...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:48 PM
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28. The key is to delete and *wipe* the files.
I'll be scanning for this late this evening. I'll inform you what I find via PM.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:09 PM
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37. Exactly!! *WIPE* then delete.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:41 PM
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23. They are after the ISP's server's logs, not your server's logs. nt
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:47 PM
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27. I do not have an ISP.
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 02:53 PM by longship
I only have an upstream provider to whom I pay for a static IP address and bandwidth. I also pay a phone company separately for a dedicated line. In other words, I am my own ISP. I host all my own Internet services--e-mail, Web hosting, DNS,... everything.

So, for instance, when an e-mail hits my server, it does not touch my upstream's e-mail log (unless the mail is specifically initiated on their servers).
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:51 PM
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29. Interesting. Who provides your DNS, the upstream provider? Are you
limited to DSL? and what does it cost? If they snatch Googles logs you are still hosed unless you mask that static IP address. Cool, sounds like you have quite a setup.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:00 PM
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30. I host my own DNS.
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 03:02 PM by longship
And since I host it, it costs nothing but the machine which is doing it, which BTW is an eight year old Corel NetWinder (tiny StrongARM based server) which has been serving DNS for me continuously for that many years without a single glitch.

My secondary and tertiary are hosted by my upstream. I pay a couple of bucks a month for that. There are free DNS hosting sites. You might want to Google "free dns hosting" and see.

I have six machines running 24/7. One is the DNS (Corel NetWinder); one is Web/E-mail (P4); one is test machine (AMD Duron); one is family workstation (VIA EPIA C3 Nehemiah--totally fanless and silent); one is my main workstation (AMD 64 dual core--*big* box with five hard drives and tons of dual core RAM); one is my firewall (Linksys, of course). All machines except for the Corel and firewall are custom builds.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:06 PM
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32. Cool! You could run your own datamining operation! Thanks, I'll
check out the free DNS hosting services! Good man.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:25 PM
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19. Hey torture boy- how's this
bush twins blow job teens al qaeda bush twins suck me underage sex osama bush twins up your ass with a razor lined carrot gonzo

add me to your list cocksucker

We will fight to preserve the 4th amendment no matter what it takes to stop the criminals in the bush junta.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:41 PM
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22. Sure. Google just updated my software without my even approving
of it.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:44 PM
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25. Disable the Google toolbar, it has security issues anyway. nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:05 PM
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31. Instructions, please?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:07 PM
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36. Google is your friend, just don't use the toolbar. Here is a link I found
when I typed "remove google toolbar" and pressed enter.

http://www.google.com/support/toolbar
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:10 PM
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39. Yes, I could have googled it myself....
...but then we wouldn't have had this moment together.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:27 PM
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41. Ah! I wuv you too!!! :) It should be pretty easy to remove. nt
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 04:28 PM by VegasWolf
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:13 PM
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33. My new username will be FUCK AG-GONZALES...
I will live on BUSH CAN KISS ASS LANE
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:24 PM
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34. It's called spying. n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:57 PM
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35. Hey, Alberto, why don't you start with the GOP???
JUST ONE FILTHY EXAMPLE: ONE. FILTHY. EXAMPLE.

These people make me sick.


Former Homeland Sec official pleads no contest to sexual predator charges



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2519412



Tip to lpbk2713
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:09 PM
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38. When I see his, he can see mine.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:26 PM
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40. well gonzo needs to look into pissy pants own administration first!!
http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/40341-1.html

Investigation continues
04/06/06 -- 04:54 PM

Child porn charge against DOD IPv6 director dropped
Investigation continues

Two weeks after a Defense Information Systems Agency official was arrested on a charge of child pornography, the U.S. Attorney’s office handling the case dropped the charge. But a spokeswoman in the U.S. Attorney’s Office said the investigation is continuing.

Charles Lynch, director of DISA’s IP version 6 transition program, was arrested March 8 and indicted in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia the next day on one count of possessing child pornography.

According to a statement by the DOD Inspector General’s Office, court documents alleged that Lynch had been operating a peer-to-peer file-sharing program on a computer in his office at DISA. Agents confiscated several computers and more than 1,000 CDs from Lynch’s office.


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http://www.itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/878
ltte in st pete times fla..

snip:

Note to all schools, teachers, principals, and school boards from Key West to Ketchikan. It seems that the Department of Homeland Security has more than pedophile senior executives (Brian Doyle and Frank Figueroa) in its employ. News comes from Englewood, Florida that Leander Pickett, a teacher's assistant at Englewood Elementary school, was roughed up and handcuffed by two Homeland Security agents who interfered with Pickett as he was directing school buses in front of the school. Pickett politely asked the two to move their vehicle and they refused. The Homeland Security officers claimed they pulled on to school property to read a map. With Doyle and Figueroa targeting teens in Florida, there is a distinct possibility that other Homeland Security agents are, like Doyle and Figueroa, using their positions to entice children, including those on school property. There have been ample cases of Transportation Security Administration screeners frisking children as young as eight years old.

Perhaps with Homeland Security now identified as a bevy of sexual predators and pedophiles, Homeland Security agents should be required to register with local police before they are permitted to engage in any activities within city and township boundaries. Mr. Pickett potentially may have averted a child kidnapping and as someone who has been involved in FBI and Navy counter-intelligence investigations of similar cases, this editor can surmise that the two agents may not have been looking at a "map" at all, but photographs of potential victims.

Doyle wasn't the only child predator.

Department of Homeland Security deputy Press Secretary Brian Doyle, arrested in Maryland for soliciting sex from a Florida undercover detective posing as a 14-year old girl, had company within the department.

On October 25, 2005, Tampa-based Homeland Security Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement official Frank Figueroa was arrested at Orlando's Mall at Millenia for exposing himself and masturbating in front of a 16-year old girl in the food court. Figueroa used his federal law enforcement badge in an attempt to avoid arrest.

Amazingly, Figueroa had been in charge of the Homeland Security Department's Operation Predator, designed to curb child sexual exploitation and child pornography.

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http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/40341-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

According to a statement by the DOD Inspector General’s Office, court documents alleged that Lynch had been operating a peer-to-peer file-sharing program on a computer in his office at DISA. Agents confiscated several computers and more than 1,000 CDs from Lynch’s office.

Lynch, 44, is on leave without pay from DISA.

The investigation is being conducted by the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, the FBI and the DISA OIG. Joseph McMillan, special agent in charge of the DCIS Mid-Atlantic Field Office, would not elaborate on why the charge was dismissed. “It’s our policy neither to deny nor confirm the existence of an ongoing criminal investigation,” McMillan said.

In apparently unrelated cases, a Homeland Security Department official was arrested earlier this week for soliciting sex with a minor. And last week, federal agents seized computer equipment from the desk of a NASA official, based on information developed during a U.S. Postal Inspection Service undercover investigation of Internet trafficking in child pornography.

EDITOR’S NOTE: The original version of this story, posted April 6, reported Lynch’s arrest and indictment, but did not report that the charge had been dismissed. The U.S. Attorney’s Office, when contacted April 6 about the arrest, said only that the investigation is continuing, but not that the charge had been dismissed.


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hmmm seems homeland security can't keep their hands off children..why did the tv Dateline show not disclose that a government employee was caught in their sting??


http://nmallory.exit-23.net/20060405/three-three-homeland-security-child-predators
Everyone who’s supposedly anyone in the blogsphere is reporting that there’s a second case of a Department of Homeland Security Sex Scandal today — this is the case of Frank Figueroa senior law enforcement official who used to run DHS’s Operation Predator and who was busted last October after exposing himself to a girl in a food court.

Obviously no one was paying attention to me when I reported earlier that there was a DHS federal agent arrested through Dateline’s child predator special program.

So there’s three.


Everyone who’s supposedly anyone in the blogsphere is reporting that there’s a second case of a Department of Homeland Security Sex Scandal today — this is the case of Frank Figueroa senior law enforcement official who used to run DHS’s Operation Predator and who was busted last October after exposing himself to a girl in a food court.

Obviously no one was paying attention to me when I reported earlier that there was a DHS federal agent arrested through Dateline’s child predator special program.

So there’s three.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:29 PM
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43. Two in Homeland Security now charged with child sex crimes
ok so gonzo ..your homeland pervs were running the Preditor program and ice program...so maybe Gonzo..you need to take care of your own back yard!!



http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=PREDATOR-04-05-06&cat=AN

Two in Homeland Security now charged with child sex crimes
By LISA HOFFMAN
Scripps Howard News Service
April 05, 2006

WASHINGTON - It's called "Operation Predator," a high-priority Department of Homeland Security program that does battle against those who prey sexually on children.

Now, with the arrest Tuesday night of a department deputy secretary, at least two of the agency's own top personnel stand charged with just such offenses.

"It hammers home the fact that these individuals can be anywhere," said John Shehan, of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which works closely with Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement bureau.

Brian Doyle, deputy press secretary to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, faces 23 counts of using a computer to seduce a child and transmitting harmful materials to a minor. He was caught in a police Internet sting in which a detective pretended to be a 14-year-old girl.

Doyle, 55, allegedly bragged to the "girl" about his post at Homeland Security, and gave her his work telephone number when conversing with her about engaging in sex acts.

A spokeswoman for the ICE said Doyle was not directly involved in the Operation Predator program, and declined additional comment. The investigation of Doyle was initiated by the Polk County, Fla., sheriff's office, and the federal agency is cooperating with "the ongoing investigation," according to a Homeland Security statement.

The other Homeland Security official charged with a sexual offense involving a girl is veteran administrator Frank Figueroa, 49, the ICE special agent in charge of the agency's operations in central and northern Florida. Figueroa, who also ran the agency's El Paso, Texas, office, has pleaded not guilty to charges he exposed and fondled himself to a teenage girl last year at a mall in Tampa.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:34 PM
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44. or how about CAMP GANNON ..GONZO...??
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-11805334794,00.html


17.11.05: Sean Smith in Iraq
Basic needs
November 13: Iraqis from Husaybah protest outside Camp Gannon, the marines' base. They want food, water and electricity.

HMMMMMMMM INTERESTING HUH GONZO??

how about we keep your ip info gonzo?????????
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:29 PM
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42. Next they'll want to keep records of every book you read!
Whoops. They're already doing that.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:35 PM
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45. Obligatory utility
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:59 PM
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46. Fuck You, GONZOles!
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:01 PM
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47. Alberto....Vete p'al carajo...
loosely translated= vete p'al carajo...
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