'Bush is the devil' (Chavez)

[Tripmann]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1234553,00.html

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said that President Bush is "the Devil" during his address to the United Nations in New York.

Viva Chavez!

[LaurenG]

1. Well then since I don't believe in the devil

that must mean there is no such thing as bush. Wow, this has been one long delusion or nightmare then huh.

[Cha]

62. I don't believe in all that

stuff, either, but I know what Chavez means.

From Merriam Webster..

devil

"1 often capitalized : the personal supreme spirit of evil often represented in Jewish and Christian belief as the tempter of humankind, the leader of all apostate angels, and the ruler of hell -- usually used with the; often used as an interjection, an intensive, or a generalized term of abuse <what the devil is this?> <the devil you say!>
2 : an evil spirit : DEMON
3 a : an extremely wicked person : FIEND : a great evil

[LaurenG]

184. I agree, I was being silly and wishful

You know pretending there was no such thing as bush. Ahh if only we could have elected someone with of all things integrity and a good heart.:)

[screembloodymurder]

209. I believe.

I am certain Bush is the anti-Christ or an ACC: anti-Christ cheerleader.

[herbbrown]

2. Was that Great or What?

Better yet it went over well to his audience, they aplauded, they laughed, Hugo was a big hit. Hope he doesn't recieve a big hit.

[gorbal]

39. Was he telling a joke or was he serious?

I hope he hasn't gone THAT far off the deep end.

[Ka hrnt]

166. Yeah...

...what's going to happen if/when the dems take back over? Who will be Chavez's boogeyman then?

[rman]

186. "the devil was here yesterday... it still smells of sulfer today"

(applause and giggles from the audience)

That should be enough to figure out if it was told in jest (although the point he made was serious), or whether he really thinks Bush is the devil.

Makes me wonder if Reagan was serious or not when he said the communists are devils.

[Judi Lynn]

194. Propagandists don't care what they have to do to get fuel for their

campaigns. The very idea of considering context is abhorrent to them!

To the rest of us, context is everything. Thanks for pointing it out.

[tocqueville]

3. BUSH IS NOT THE DEVIL !!!!!

he just works for him

[goforit]

25. Yah he works for CHENEY.

[chat_noir]

117. Satan was his running mate. I have proof...

……….


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$10,000 reward was never collected




Cheerleader action doll hahahaha

[goclark]

153. That's wimp george the Bully nt

[RethugAssKicker]

4. WOW.... Chavez kicked Bush ass !

Chavez gave a fantastic straight to the point speech, that told it just like it is... The imperialism of the US is going to destroy the world, if not stopped.

No political side-stepping, no forked-tongue talking; Chavez spoke in the common mans language !

He brought up Noam Chomskys book and recommended everyone at the UN to read it.

Unbelievable speech !


VIVA CHAVEZ !!!!!!
VIVA CHAVEZ !!!!

[Freedom_from_Chains]

33. The imperialism of the US is going to destroy the world, if not stopped.

And that is what I am afraid that a bunch of countries are going to come to the conclusion of, and we are in deep shit when they do. We may have a lot of nuclear warheads, but we are not invincible like a lot of people seem to think we are.

[arewenotdemo]

148. I think I'm gonna have to read Chomsky's book

VIVA CHAVEZ!

[Jim Stark]

192. Chomsky

is insane

[Judi Lynn]

195. Hey, thanks. You've saved us all a lot of trouble reading even more

of his writing.

Maybe you could suggest a better source.

[Greeby]

5. You're wrong Hugo

He can't be the anti-christ, that'd be too obvious and he's too stupid :evilgrin:

[gorbal]

51. Well, some say the anti-christ is just a personable international figure.

I think it was Nostrodamus. Acording to him, some red-head from the lower classes and a scientist will save us from him...so watch out for red-heads and scientests.

[bdamomma]

106. bush could be, he's very devious

[Tripmann]

6. I know it'll never happen but..

..can you imagine Stewart and Colbert having this guy as a guest LOL!!

[Occulus]

90. Why would it not happen?

Seems to me, if Chavez really wanted to make a statement, he could accept an invite from TDS or Colbert, and decline a similar offer from *.

Heh. I wonder what the response from the WH to that would be.

[The2ndWheel]

7. More like an imperial statist

Not sure why we have to bring the supernatural into this.

[Zensea]

8. It's a metaphor

most likely

[The2ndWheel]

19. I'm sure it is

But it doesn't help. Granted, calling him an imperial statist won't stop anything. Either way we're getting nowhere quick.

[Renew Deal]

9. Chavez is nuts.

Whether he believes that or not, it's poor form to say something like that at the UN.

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

12. Agreed

We would be criticizing Bush if he used language like that. And even did criticize him when he used terms like Axis of Evil.

But its Hugo, he gets a pass.

Solves nothing and sounds like old Communist Rhetoric with the "Yankee Go Home" line.

Calls Bush the Devil, but cozies up to people like Ahmadenijad.

[LeighAnn]

30. I couldn't agree more!

With Chavez, that is. Bush is responsible for more wholesale mass murder than anyone since Hitler. The Devil indeed!
Good to finally hear somebody telling it like it is!

[davidinalameda]

64. hate to burst your bubble

Pol Pot; the Soviet leaders; etc

[LeighAnn]

68. Guilty!

He's guilty of those murders too... by assoCIAtion.

[geek tragedy]

83. You do not dwell in the reality-based community. eom

[LeighAnn]

110. Reality-based community thinks 9-11 was caused by

Reality-based community thinks 9-11 was caused by Islamist Fascists who Hate Our Freedoms. In this sense, I do not dwell there.

[geek tragedy]

140. No, you're right. It was a controlled demo and a cruise missile. eom

[LeighAnn]

201. Well, it was because Bush was dealing with the Taliban

In the days leading up to September 11. Trying to put a pipeline through Afghanistan, you see. The Taliban wanted too much money. Read about John O'Neill, the FBI chief who spent years trying to get bin Laden and disrupt al CIAda only to be thwarted because Bushco was trying to make a sweet deal with the Taliban.

[TheWatcher]

116. Oh. My. GOD.

If there was EVER a Pot-Kettle Post on DU, THIS was it.

:rofl:

[geek tragedy]

141. Blaming Bush for Pol Pot's atrocities is the height of ignorance.

Hell, was he even old enough to drink back then?

[anotherdrew]

155. it's not ignorance, it's just an emotional reaction

anyway, do you doubt that had bush been around at the time he would have done any different? of course he might have been worse, but 'in spirit' he's no different than any of our past foolish murderous leaders who would gladly do it all over again.

[geek tragedy]

162. Yes, I do doubt that he would have done worse than Pol Pot.

He's still a criminal, but he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame with guys like Pol Pot and Hitler.

[anotherdrew]

171. whoops

I didn't mean worse than Pol Pot, I meant 'make worse choices than the US leadership at the time did"

[geek tragedy]

174. Possibly. But, the leadership was Richard Milhous Nixon.

Nixon vs. Bush is kinda like Ruth vs. Aaron, except in a cynical, sucky way.

[davidinalameda]

94. so the CIA was behind the murders in Cambodia

interesting

[upi402]

97. many , see link

http://www.ckln.fm/~asadismi/CIA50.html

[upi402]

98. and here

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

[davidinalameda]

99. by Pol Pot's regime?

[upi402]

101. re; cia reference

for clarification, sorry

[jacklambert]

96. LeighAnn, I not one to hold back, but...

you are at a level of hatred that defies logic. You really have to base your criticism in reality or you are going to lose credibility from even the sharpest Bush critics.

Or then again, maybe you're here just to stir the pot...but whatever, better stirred than smoked.

[upi402]

100. "better stirred than smoked" -please clarify

Thanks...:shrug:

[jacklambert]

102. just that

it's better to be discussing beyond the realms of rational thought purposely because you're trying to stir the pot and not un-purposely because your high on pot.

[upi402]

104. thanks, smoked has 2 connotations

:toast:

[LeighAnn]

113. Confucious say....

"Man who stand on toilet high on pot"

:smoke:

[arikara]

189. Interesting choice of words that

"level of hatred". Did she say she hated anyone? What I get from her is that she's not into buying the official hook, line and sinker. When we are lied to over and over and over, what should "reality" be based upon?

Its always interesting to see who these Chavez threads brings out of the woodwork.

[Spinoza]

144. No.

The greatest mass murderer in history is Mao Tse Tung. Read "Mao, The Unknown Story" by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. Mao's killings made Hitler, Pol Pot and even Stalin look like pikers. Bush doesn't even come close.

[jacklambert]

58. Name-calling blows your credibility...

Chavez did nothing but divided people. I wonder what his views on Clinton, Gore or Kerry would be??

The US has always been involved in global activity. Will Chavez feel the same when a Democratic President is elected. Will he remain a thorn in the side of our leader no matter what affiliation??

[LeighAnn]

67. Depends on if our Democratic President tries to overthrow him

Generally, when one president tries to overthrow another president, that president wants to become a thorn in the side of the president that tried to overthrow him.

You can't call what Bush has done to the world "Global Activity". Mass murder, that's all.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. LOL

I'm pretty sure Chavez doesn't give a good goddamn what power brokers in the US think, Democratic or Republican. Here's what's going to have to get through the head of every American at some point this century: people like Chavez are not speaking TO YOU. You can address the world whilke not addressing the United States. In fact, for many, that is an imperative, in the same way inmates planning a revolt would not be speaking to the guards.

[ClusterFreak]

14. It takes a nutjob to know a nutjob.

Which is why Chavez comments about Bush were so bang on. Calling him the Devil and that it still smelled of sulphur up there, and that a psychiatrist should be called in to understand Bush's comments or whatever...I mean, that shit is just pure gold. Hugo brought his "A" material, and should be headlining on the comedy club circuit. Even if a puffed-up, blustering demagogue like Chavez was delivering these comments, it was friggin' great to hear them. Bush is a puffed-up, blustering demagogue himself, so....

[Judi Lynn]

15. Very poor form at the UN involves telling lies to lay the foundation

for campaigns of mass murder and acquisition.

[KingFlorez]

20. You got that right

[RethugAssKicker]

28. exactly!... They prefer polished talk over substance!

[Renew Deal]

45. At least we agree.

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

63. Right, and Chavez told the truth.

I'm say "poor form" is having bolton as the ambassador(yeah right) and chimp's lies.

[Occulus]

173. He *was* applauded.

But I bet you think THAT was poor form as well.

I keep seeing that phrase, "poor form", used over and over again tonight, by the same, small group of DUers.

One could imagine they were being paid to say as much.

[IndianaGreen]

177. Chavez received "vigorous applause," according to The Guardian

I agree with you that "poor form" is part of a GOP talking point.

Delegates and leaders from around the world streamed back into the chamber to hear Mr Chávez, and when he stepped down the vigorous applause lasted so long that it had to be curtailed by the chair.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1877243,00.html

Bush got tepid applause when he embarrassed himself at the UN.

[Cha]

185. I know you're not talking to me.

My "poor form" is in quotes and I'm talking about bolton and bush.

It just looks like you're addressing my post.

[RethugAssKicker]

26. Suppose you would prefer BS politico talk... double talk

the ususal confusing, double meanings....

Or as the American Indians used to say

White man speak with forked tongue !

Chavez told it like it is !

[Renew Deal]

46. Sorry, what's substantive about calling Bush the devil?

:shrug:

[Peace Patriot]

27. Poor form? POOR FORM??!! I'd say slaughtering 100,000 people in Iraq is

"poor form." I'd say advocating and employing torture is "poor form." I'd say looting the federal government is "poor form." I'd say shredding the Constitution is "poor form." I'd say spitting on international law is "poor form." I'd say letting the poor rot and die in the Katrina disaster is "poor form." I'd say applauding (and probably abetting) an attempted violent military coup in Venezuela is "poor form." I'd say pouring US taxpayer dollars illegally into Venezuelan elections, in support of the rich oil elite, is "poor form." I'd say freeing US-based global corporate predators of regulation and rightful taxation, and spreading sweatshop labor and impoverishment around the world, is "poor form." I'd say Bechtel Corp. privatizing the water in Bolivia, and then jacking up the prices to the poorest of the poor--even charging poor peasants for collecting rainwater!--is "poor form." I'd say giving billions of dollars to your vice president's company in no-bid contracts is "poor form." I'd say permitting gas gouging by your multi-billionaire buds in the oil industry is "poor form." I'd say stealing US elections is "poor form."

And I'd say that Hugo Chavez is a brilliant, and brave, and very funny man! Calling Bush "the devil" hit the metaphorical nail right on its head. Billions and billions of people are smiling about it today. The whole world is smiling. Yup. The devil and his evil ways. And imagine someone brave enough to SAY it! Very inspiring to all.

[RethugAssKicker]

34. AMEN BROTHER !!

Poor form... What BS to even think of, when compared to the EVIL WAYS of American Imperialism

[partylessinOhio]

52. Thank you!

Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

:yourock: :applause: :yourock: :applause::yourock: :applause:

:yourock: :applause: :yourock: :applause: :yourock: :applause:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

77. May I second your post?

:hi:

[mithnanthy]

157. Peace Patriot...

You are absolutely right! Chavez told it like it is! Finally somebody has the balls to rattle Chimpy's cage.

[Nihil]

183. Excellent response!

:toast:

As you say, it's good to find that there are still people brave enough
to say it, knowing that the mighty US publicity machine will turn on him
(not to mention some of the more shadowy aspects of the US machine).

Hope he has an anthrax detector for his mail.

[ldf]

205. what PP said!

:thumbsup:

:hi:

[cassiepriam]

31. It is not nuts to say the truth. More politicians should try it.

Bush is the devil incarnate.

[Renew Deal]

47. Prove Bush is the Devil Incarnate.

Until you can, it's hyperbolic bullshit that doesn't belong in a diplomatic chamber.

[cassiepriam]

73. Prove he isn't. Truth belongs anywhere, anytime.

Especially when it saves lifes.

Iraqi men, women and babies are being killed, raped and tortured
every day. Any one who works to stop this is on the side of the angels.

I pray Bleachers that you will use your intelligence and courage to fight the
good fight. Not start dissension on DU.

I hope you can feel my prayers now.

[Renew Deal]

87. You think Chavez cares about Iraq?

What is he doing to stop anything? All he does is self promotion and he does this constantly. But of course, that's not the point. Two wrongs don't make a right and juvenile name calling is not appropriate at the UN.

I pray cassiepriam that you will use your intelligence and courage to fight the
good fight. Not start dissension on DU.

[geek tragedy]

92. Huh? I think we agree. eom

[Occulus]

93. Because diplomats don't understand hyperbole. n/t

[scot]

178. Stop being an adult!

[arikara]

190. How about Bush sending his minion to the UN armed with a pack of lies

Was that good form?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

35. Then it is high time we started to develop poor form since

most of our leaders in the Democratic party won't do it. You may have not noticed but Bush has done a great job of taking over this country using religious metaphors. Apparently sheep respond well to them.

[Renew Deal]

48. The UN is a place of diplomacy.

It's supposed to be a place of peace. How does calling someone the devil fit in with that? It doesn't matter if you believe Bush is the devil, devil incarnate, a dirt devil, or Satan himself. It's just not appropriate for a place like the UN.

[howmad1]

79. Oh really?

Tell that to Colin Powell who spewed the worst lies ever in this "place of democracy". Cheers for Hugo Chavez. Oh, BTW, tell me all the great success the UN has had in the past few years to advance the cause for world peace.

[Renew Deal]

88. I would tell that to Colin Powell

Though I think he already knows. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[alcibiades_mystery]

81. He was being diplomatic with others

He started with the common values and commonly held assumption of most of the planet. :rofl:

[rodeodance]

61. He is wrong to say this at the UN--instead he could have spoken about

the effect of US policies on the world. not personalize it the way he did.

[Occulus]

107. But they're the policies of *. It's directly his fault!

Do you think this would have happened if we had a Republican Congress and Gore in office?

[screembloodymurder]

70. Poor form?

I think Bush is on a first name basis with the Devil.

[Occulus]

91. Because speaking truth to power is *never* the right thing to do. n/t

[NeoConsSuck]

158. Poor Form?

And is it also poor form to speak at the UN and lie about Iraq WMD, as Colin Powell did? Or were you OK with that? I don't think Chavez's words are going to result in over 50,000 innocent lives.

And what has the White House Cockroach ever done for New York? Not as much as Chavez:

Individual homeowners and cooperatives in four of the city's five boroughs will be able to buy cheap fuel this winter from an oil-for-the-poor program, sources have told the Daily News.

CITGO Petroleum, the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, has earmarked 25 million gallons of fuel for low-income New York residents this year at 40% off the wholesale market price.


http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1822

[rman]

187. Is that opinion or fact?

The UN audience sure thought Chavez's remarks were funny.

[Jim Stark]

191. ABSOLUTELY WRONG

Chavez guy is a dangerous asshole

[LeighAnn]

10. Still smells of Sulfur!

Oh he was funny!!! The talking heads are having a fit!

http://www.hereinreality.com/hugo_chavez/

[aquart]

24. Sulfur? Bush was having bathroom problems again?

What is it about him and the UN?

[cal04]

11. accused Washington of "domination, exploitation

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, calling President Bush "the devil."

"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world."

The leftist leader, who joined Iran last week in an alliance against U.S. influence, accused Washington of "domination, exploitation and pillage of peoples of the world."

"We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head," he said.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=135003

[gorbal]

120. I watched it on Cspan, and understood the context better

http://www.c-span.org/

I guess he doesn't sound so nutty. I'm not so worried about him....great speech really as I finish listening. He also recommended Noam Chomsky to a room full of world leaders...good suggestion.

Maybe Nostradomus meant a scientist and a hothead would save us from the manifestation of the anti-christ (instead of a scientest and a redhead)

Funny how the media spinned this; before I saw it I was believing he was ranting and raving and calling Bush the devil. But it IS more like a joke than anything else...the rest is serious.

[KingFlorez]

13. Good for him

It's a really fitting name for Bush.

[liberal N proud]

16. Call it like it is Hugo

[HuffleClaw]

17. and THAT is the ONLY thing we'll EVER hear about that speech

in the corporate media. never mind the rest, they'll be harping about this EVERY time they mention the name chavez from now until doomsday, just like they can't say the iranian guy's name without screaming that misquote about him 'wanting to wipe israel off the map'. BOTH of whom, i might add absolutely HAMMERED bush on his war-mongering oil-thieving policies, but we'll not be hearing that part.

its instances like this that prove beyond a doubt just WHERE the corporate media's allegiances lie.

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. And Chavez surely realises that

Namecalling is bound to generate headlines; it must be what Chavez wants.

[Roy]

137. The MSM harping is no big deal...

The corporate media would never report, nor discuss or analyse the rest anyway.

[nick303]

163. That was not a misquote from Iran's president

I don't think there is any doubt what his sentiment is on the matter. To think otherwise would lead me to believe you've been brainwashed.

[NashVegas]

18. Hugo Is Starting to Bore Me

He was great fun in 2002.

These days he looks more like a train wreck waiting to happen.

[RethugAssKicker]

21. Hes not there to entertain you...

he's there to help the people of Latin America... an Latin America is going through one of the greatest revolutions in its history... in a large part thanks to Hugo !

[VegasWolf]

32. Very Good response!!! nt

[NashVegas]

36. That's Debatable

As I am not Venezuelan, all I'm left with is observation.

And I observe that Hugo's use of rashness, while once refreshing, is becoming old and he's descending from being a leader to be respected into a raving loon.

He's making it very easy for Washington to isolate him.

[Minstrel Boy]

109. To think he's "isolated" is a credit to US media.

Venezuela will likely be elected to the Security Council in October, despite the US campaign against its bid. Have you noticed how much he's travelled the last couple of years, and how he's been received?

[Tuttle]

128. sort of like the overthrow that failed?

Washington to isolate Chavez: wasn't that like in March of 2002? The CIA sponsored coup d'etat?

Tut-tut

[Taoschick]

44. Chavez

Is certainly no statesman but he was damned lucky to be in the right place at the right time. The only thing keeping him at the top of his game right now is oil prices. If oil prices fall, he's going to have to find money for his poverty programs elsewhere. If he tries to cut programs for the poor, he'll find himself the most unpopular man in Venezuela.

[aquart]

22. Devil, devil's minion. There is some debate on that.

Some would say Satan is Cheney. Some would say Satan is Karl Rove.

Some would not give Bush credit for being THE Devil, just the Devil's underling. But he is doing a heckuva job. I am completely sure there is a warm, welcoming place in Hell for him.

[shayes51]

23. Takes one to know one.

[VegasWolf]

37. Nah! A devil is easy to spot, anyone who illegally occupies another

country and kills 100,000 innocent Iraqis for oil is a devil.

[RethugAssKicker]

38. What evil has Chavez done to warrant that comment !

[Vidar]

180. Chavez is a "good guy" because he's an extremely able

popular leader, a champion of the poor, an implacable foe of corrupt corporations, a man of tremendous personal courage and generosity. Hating Bush is icing on the cake.

[independentpiney]

40. CNN airheads were in shock

The red headed woman asked the cnn-espanol guy how it would play in south america., and when he said alot of people agree with Chavez, she said " you mean they're against the war on terror?

[bigworld]

42. CNN just embarasses me anymore.

[RethugAssKicker]

43. Wow... How fucking stupid... They just don't get it .. do they ?

[Cha]

65. "The war on terror" that the chimp

and his handlers perpetuated by going into the wrong country? That war on terror?

[Henny Penny]

204. Lol... wish I'd seen that!

If only he'd said a lot of people world wide agree with Hugo.

[bigworld]

41. hey - this certainly isn't breaking news!

[ForFuxakes]

49. THIS JUST IN!

SATAN FILES SUIT IN NEW YORK SUPERIOR COURT

Released September 20, 2066

Satan (AKA, Lucifer) filed a lawsuit today in New York superior court against the president of Venezuela alleging that comments made during a speech at the UN General assembly have caused him irreparable psychological damage and have caused him nightmares. The alleged comments arose as a result of the President referring to the leader of the United States as the "Devil"

The lawsuit further alleges a copyright infringement in that Satan will no longer be able to use his influence to "buy peoples souls" for riches on earth as the leader of the US has started a competitive business in the military-industrial complex....

rest of the lawsuit verbiage here: www.666.com

:evilfrown:

[savemefromdumbya]

74. LOL!

[ForFuxakes]

50. Oops...double post

[AngryAmish]

53. Every DUer should memorize this speech

Whenever you run across any person just look them in the eye and say: "Bush is the devil". The people who agree with you are the right thinking folk. The others will have to be dealt with.

[bamacrat]

54. Why is it that Bitch can call other countries leaders evil doers...

But as soon as its turned around, its blasphemy. Go Chavez.

[dolo amber]

147. "Axis of Evil"...."Evil Empire"....

These weren't statements condemning the LEADERS of Iraq, Syria and N. Korea/USSR....these statements were condemning entire COUNTRIES and by extension the people of those countries. Chavez at the very least had the decency to single out El Diablo. ;)

[Minstrel Boy]

55. Live Chavez press conference coming up NOW on UN webcast

channel 2, scheduled to begin at 12:45 est.

[onehandle]

56. Chavez is hardly an innocent. nt

[Minstrel Boy]

57. please, continue.

you know you want to.

[RethugAssKicker]

82. Go on ... tell us all about the evil things Chavez has done !

Can't can you ?

[Judi Lynn]

115. You'd be doing everyone a favor by posting all those links I'm sure you

have reavealing how it is you know "Chavez is hardly an innocent."

DU'ers who've been keeping track of Venezuelan news for years would be very thankful to know what it is you've got.

[El Zopilote]

59. El Diablo

I'm proud of our Hispanic community and our American and Democratic Party allies for showing support and admiration for Mr. Chavez. His speech left no doubt amongst the international community as to who El Diablo really is.

Todos a la calle!

[Radioactive]

60. The courage of these nutjob leaders astounds me

Ahmadinajad, Chavez they just turn up in New York without a care in the World and let loose.

[Mudoria]

66. We should always ask

WWHD The greatest leader leader the world has ever seen! The man is infallible. No wonder so many DU'ers follow him like the a modern day Jesus. Viva Chavez! May you rule Venezuela forever!!

[Ex Lion Tamer]

69. That's just plain silly: Bush isn't smart enough to be the Devil.

He's clearly just an underling, a lesser demon, who reports to Satan. Not bright enough to do anything else.

Maybe Sonneillon.

[BrotherBuzz]

75. Would you settle for donkey?

You are a donkey, Mr. Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PtJRy1oEA4

[killbotfactory]

95. You're right

The devil is obviously Cheney.

[saigon68]

123. The CHIMPANZEE isn't Satan--He's is however a Fucking DRAFT DODGER

And a chimp Butt boy

[Ganja Ninja]

71. Did he actually mention Bush by name or was it just assumed ...

Bush was the person who best matched the description?

[Vidar]

72. Tell it like it is, Hugo!

[savemefromdumbya]

76. EL DIABLO!

video of the speech is on Rawstory youtube

[Olney Blue]

78. Historians on DU- isn't this unprecedented? A personal insult like

this from one leader to another? The rheteric from both Bush and Chavez is frightening IMHO,
and to me, it shows how disasterous our foreign policy has truly been.

[Minstrel Boy]

84. I know Bush called Kim Jong Il a "pygmy"

in October 2002.

[jacklambert]

108. Kim Jong Il is a pygmy (with horns and a tail)

[PeaceProgProsp]

85. FULL TEXT OF SPEECH:

Address to the United Nations
Rise Up Against the Empire

By HUGO CHAVEZ

Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it.

Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'" "It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet.

The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house.

The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here." "And it smells of sulfur still today.

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's yesterday, or President Mullah's . Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

[killbotfactory]

105. Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'

"I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house."
...

"The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire."

good speech

[ozone_man]

112. A courageous speech.

I don't think there's anything there that we haven't said here many times. American hegemony, that we export terror around the world. I can do without references to the devil, but in Bush's case, it seems like a good comparison.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

Time to wake up.

[PeaceProgProsp]

114. I guess it's old school to start a speech with a joke.

[ozone_man]

159. Good point, I guess being there

and seeing a grin as he talked about the Bush/devil analogy would've made a big difference. Of course, the MSM, rather than talk of the substance, focuses in on that part. Even BBC news tonight. Then again, there was a huge smile on the newscaster's face.

[NashVegas]

129. Thank You So Much for Posting This

I take back what I said in my above posts. Shame on me for accepting the abbreviated version.

[PeaceProgProsp]

145. Thank you for amending the record.

I think your post is the kind that sets apart honest posters like you from the dittoheads.

[IndianaGreen]

149. I e-mailed copies of Chavez's speech to everyone I know!

and I encourage DUers to do likewise.

[IndianaGreen]

168. Link to the speech

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15041.htm

[geek tragedy]

86. Hugo the Hypocrite embraces Mugabe and Ahmadinejad.

People get mad at Bush for overwrought, demonizing language but then reflexively praise some blowhard who happens to demonize the right guy.

[PeaceProgProsp]

89. I'm not sure that you can support that argument if you read

the full text at post 85.

He mentions the devil once and the other 99.9% of the speech is well-reasoned argument.

In fact the only way you can make your argument is to ignore the context.

[bdamomma]

103. bravo to telling the rest of world what we are dealing with

it takes the Venezuelan President to just come out and say it. That was balls!!!

[Strawman]

111. No such thing

Bush's just a stupid, selfish motherfucker. That's all.

[Sewsojm]

118. Rant

I'm so sick of Dimson I thank God for Chavez! Americans need to storm the white house and take care of Dimson once and for all and then storm Fox News, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and dish out some fair and balanced justice to the Rupert Murdock's, Bill O'Reilly's , Sean Hannity's, Katy Couric's, Matt Lauer's, Charlie Gibson's, etc., until we get rid of these corrupt greedy politicians and news organizations we are doomed! That felt good!!

[NeedleCast]

119. I guess...

This isn't the popular view but I can't just sit back and "me too!" this Chavez stuff. Seems like we progressives have become perfectly happy accepting hypocracy as long as it's painted with a nice coat of Bush Sucks.

We vilify Bush when he talks about the Axis of Evil. We condem him when he says "come get some." We mock him when makes idiotic comments about other world leaders. Then we cheer a world leader who's recent actions are, at best, verbally provocative. A leader perfectly willing to cozy up to some of the most brutal, backwards dicators in the world (Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il). We say "he's a hero!" while we watch him give awards to the President of Iran while ignoring the fact that the religious theocracy in Iran is JUST THE THING we're trying to stop from happening here in the United States. Are we at the point where, just to be anti-bush, that we're okay with an oppressive muslim theocracy but any attempt by the religious right to enforce their beliefs on us is a terrible thing?

We call Bush a coward for not meeting with Chavez...would you want to meet with the person who called you the devil to enter into gainful political talks? Not I. Condem Bush for his stupidity and cheer the man who goes in front of the world to do little more than name calling? Sorry, that's not a bed I'm willing to sleep in.

Its just more hateful, antagonistic rhetoric. Chavez could be the bigger man. Could extend his hand and say "come talk to us," but I see a man only concerned with his own popularity and the fact that his smack talk will make him more popular with the masses and play on their nationalistic feelings.

Not much difference between the two of them, I think. Just children playing another round of "look how big my penis is."

...End Transmission...

[Judi Lynn]

121. Venezuelans have every reason in the world to hate Bush like poison.

Apparently you weren't around to hear about the coup in Venezuela, and the armed kidnapping of Hugo Chavez, and all the preparation which was done for it between the coup leaders and all their trips to meet with personel in _Bush's State Department prior to the catastrophe.

Involve yourself in some research, since you obviously missed it the first time around, and get informed on what has happened in Venezuela due to misadventure by the _Bush administration, through the hate campaign started against him immediately after stealing the White House, through filthy behavior by _Bush's ambassadors, destabilization efforts, etc., etc., etc.

You're not going to pitch half-assed remarks in here and have them respected by those who know better.

Chavez has every right to despise the very man who tried to have him killed, as anyone would.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two, and you damned well know it. One of the two was a man long ago, and the other will never be a man, as he's morally, mentally, emotionally incapable.

[lpbk2713]

125. And Chavez and other Venezuelans know Boosh and the fundies

have a cozy relationship. They haven't forgotten how Pat Robertson openly advocated killing Chavez.

[NeedleCast]

126. So if they hate us, and we hate them

What's the point of diplomacy?

I was "around" to hear about the coup in Venezuela. I've seen little that proves we tried to assassinate Chavez. I also know that leaders like Chavez, Kim Jong Il and the "President" of countries like Turkmeinstan are not above staging assassinations and blaming on others to solidify their control. Wouldn't put it past Bush to try something like this. Hope I'm not giving him ideas.

My remarks are only "half-assed" because you disagree with them. I assure you I have done my research, I've just reached a different conclusion than you.

I stand by my comparison. Both of them want nothing more than control, control, control.

You call Bush a child? Is it not childish to go before a world forum and call someone names?

What did Chavez do today that helped world diplomacy? What did he to today to help difuse tensions?

...End Transmission...

[Hawkowl]

182. Diplomacy's point is to avoid war

Look, I don't know how old you are but, Nixon went to China, Reagan met with Gorbachev, and the cold war ended without becoming a hot war. You meet with your enemies to avoid killing large amounts of each other's citizens.

This is why Bush refuses to meet with his enemies. He alone among our modern presidents, welcomes war with open arms. In fact he enjoys it.

[NotGivingUp]

139. absolutely and totally agree

[KingFlorez]

127. Chavez hasn't done what Bush has done

[NeedleCast]

130. I agree

Chavez has not done what Bush has done. What is your point? What do the comments that Chavez made today do to help the situation?

Some see the Hugo Chavez Visits Dictators World Tour as him opposing US imperialism.

I see it as nothing more than Hugo Chavez consolidating his power. Same as Bush.

[KingFlorez]

132. You said there was no difference between the two

So I stated Chavez hasn't done what Bush has done, which is cause nothing but problems.

[NeedleCast]

135. I agreed that Chavez...

...has not done the things that Bush has done, ie. invade other countries.

Still, you have not answered my question and this is telling, especially in light of your comment "which is cause nothing but problems."

How does what Chavez said today help to FIX the problem of the diplomatic rift between the US and Venz? It doesn't. Just makes the rift wider. It's the same sort of nationalistic, antagonistic speech-making that Bush makes to rile up the Republicans and rally the short-sighted to his banner. If Bush were to call Chavez a Devil the republicans would yipee and yeehaw about how great/funny it was.

[durtee librul]

150. Ok, you make some good

points, but I still have to disagree with you. It is speeches like this that are great....the reason? He used something to equate the evil the Bush regime is doing - did he purposely choose the devil as his analogy so the fundies would get the message? No, I don't think so becuase most of them are beyond hope anyhow.

He got everyone's attention and kept it. He brought a good message to the floor about peace and caring and how people must care for each other.

So he meets with Castro, Jong II and the like - so what? He's building a coalition imho and in order to do so, he's making friends wherever he can with whoever he can to promote his message. You win with majority and everyone can agree to disagree, that's usually how civilized people act and resolve things, not with bombs and marines as he stated.

What I find is really sad - - I am on a business trip in Ontario and Chavez got a standing O in the restaurant where the tv was on. That says it all to me....America is lost as long as derchimpster is in power.

Yes, it was an old school speech tactic, but it accomplished just what he wanted, he got their attention and he didn't have to do it using the word terrorist in every other sentence.

Wanna lay money on it that Karen Hughes took notes on how the speech was constructed? She could learn from ol' Hugo! Not that I want her to do so, but our own party could learn as well.

I am glad he put a voice to what a lot of countries are thinking but havent got the guts to say out loud for fear of retribution from a little man who deserves absolutely no respect in the world (and judging from the reaction of the room, hasn't any).

I am glad he mentioned the citizens of the US as not wanting wars....we want peace as well....even made Bush seem out of touch with his own people....(he is except for the loony tuners....)

Hats Off Hugo - you done good by telling the world the emperor has no clothes.

[Judi Lynn]

156. Thanks for your observations made during your Ontario trip, durtee librul.

Your remarks add a great perspective to this conversation.

[Megahurtz]

122. LOL!

:7 Hilarious!

[kitty1]

124. Safe bet; No state visits on the horizon for Hugo nt

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

131. Excuse Me, But This Isn't Latest Breaking News...

nt

[NorthernSpy]

133. which is nuttier: starting a disastrous war, or calling the guy who did...

... start that disastrous war "the devil"?

Chavez called Bush the devil, and now we hear a mighty orchestra of knees jerking in perfect sync.

Really now! Why is it that telling someone off in no uncertain terms makes you a raving nutjob, but telling lies to start a war that consumes tens of thousands of lives just makes you "decisive", or maybe "rash", or maybe even "a person who has committed an unfortunate blunder"?

Let's cut the crap. We all know why people here in the US respond the way they do to stories like these. Hugo Chavez is the nonwhite leader of a smallish, majority-nonwhite country. Furthermore, he is a man of the Left. That means, even to some American liberals, that he is an upstart. They'll never admit it, but they have a visceral reaction to this man because he fails to moderate his tone when speaking to or about the "Leader of the Free World" -- a person who, despite the differences in ideology -- is demographically one of their own kind. Perhaps they can't help feeling that in spite of everything, George Bush is still entitled to a certain deference from the likes of Chavez, and so they grow uneasy and hostile when such deference is not evident.

From that point of view, George Bush -- no matter how catastrophic his reign -- is still one of "us"; Hugo Chavez, no matter how much good he does, is still one of "them".

It's really just identity politics.

[diamidue]

134. I...LOVE....CHAVEZ ...

GWB is the devil in my opinion, too.

[MGD]

136. Hey Chavez, FUCK YOU AND YOUR OIL! eom

[IndianaGreen]

142. Hey, Bush, FUCK YOU and your oilmen friends!

Down with Bush!

[MGD]

200. I've no argument with that Indiana. nt

[olddad56]

146. you must be a big devil (BUSH) fan.

[MGD]

196. I guess Charlie Rangel is a big devil (Bush) fan too.

That's Charlie Rangal, the liberal Democratic Congressman from New York who has also condemned Chavez for his remarks.

Condemns Chavez's Attack On Bush
WASHINGTON - I want to express my extreme displeasure with statements by the President of Venezuela attacking U.S. President George Bush in such a personal and disparaging way during his remarks at the United Nations General Assembly...George Bush is the President of the United States and represents the entire country. Any demeaning public attack against him is viewed by Republicans and Democrats, and all Americans, as an attack on all of us.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny15_rangel/CBRStatementChavezUNspeech09212006.html

[Judi Lynn]

197. Who among us is simply too underfunded to recognize an old man

trying to protect himself from retribution from the vile filth in the White House?

[MGD]

199. I love the neurotic mental constructions created by internet

political forum junkies. I was expecting the famous "DINO response" but you surprised me with a litle creativity. Good for you.

[Judi Lynn]

203. Are you saying the same people who said "We'll fuck him like he's never

been fucked" are above retribution?

No need to answer. It wouldn't be worth either of our times reading it.

[MGD]

206. I'm pretty sure I never said any such thing Judi.

But what I hear you saying is that your hatred for George W. Bush has manifested as a nihilistic hatred for America. It's a prevalent attitude in this thread. Incidentally,for future reference, you don't pick a fight with someone and then tell them not to defend themselves and expect them to comply. If you didn't want a response, you should have avoided the confrontation; however, based on the strength of your argument and the overall ridiculous nature of your position, I can understand why you wouldn't want to be placed in the position of having to defend your views for any length of time.

[MGD]

202. I Guess Nanci Pelosi, the Democratic leader of the House is a big fan too.

Or maybe she's an old woman trying to protect herself from the viloe filth of the Whitehouse? Or, maybe she's a "Dino"?

[VegasWolf]

160. I'm guessing Chavez is not worried by what American rednecks think. nt

[IndianaGreen]

138. Bush is the Devil, the Anti-Christ, a despot, a tyrant, a war criminal

Bush is the greatest threat the world has faced since the days of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

I fully agree with Chavez's remarks, and I support his efforts to oppose Bush's wars of aggression and imperialist expansion.

Viva Chavez! Viva Venezuela! Down with the Devil Bush!

Chavez Condemns Bush at UN

United Nations, Sep 20 (Prensa Latina) Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced George Bush Wednesday, for having reiterated his guidelines to the UN in order to continue his current scheme of domination, exploitation, and destruction of the peoples of the world.

Speaking in his turn at the 61st session of the UN General Assembly, Chavez compared Bush´s speech to a Hollywood movie which, he said, could be titled “The Devil´s Recipes”.

The Venezuelan president went on to affirm that, contrary to Bush´s repeated statements that his government wants peace, “what he really wants is to impose his model on us.”

He censured Washington´s new threats against Venezuela and other countries such as Iran, as well as its aggressive, immoral campaign to prevent his country from being elected as a non-permanent UN member in December.

Chavez reiterated the need to restructure the UN, adding that the time has come to admit that its system has collapsed and is useless.

Prensa Latina

[NotGivingUp]

143. yep, yep, yep, yep and yep. Viva Chavez! Viva Venezuela!

[IndianaGreen]

151. The Guardian: Chávez attacks 'devil' Bush in UN speech

Delegates and leaders from around the world streamed back into the chamber to hear Mr Chávez, and when he stepped down the vigorous applause lasted so long that it had to be curtailed by the chair.

Here is The Guardian's reporting of this story:

Chávez attacks 'devil' Bush in UN speech

· Venezuelan accuses US of double standards on terror
· Bolivian president condemns war on drugs

Ed Pilkington in New York
Thursday September 21, 2006
The Guardian

Brandishing a copy of Noam Chomsky's Hegemony or survive: America's quest for global dominance, the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, cemented his reputation as Washington's chief irritant yesterday with a fiery performance at the United Nations.

In a 15-minute address to the annual gathering of international leaders in New York, President Chávez said he could still "smell sulphur" left behind by the "devil", George Bush, who had addressed the chamber 24 hours before.

His speech, which veered between a rousing appeal for a better world and a florid denunciation of the US, included the claim that President Bush thought he was in a western where people shot from the hip: "This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire."

Mr Chávez complained that his personal doctor and head of security had been prevented from disembarking at New York airport by the American authorities. And then he coined the phrase that will now forever be etched into UN history as one of the more colourful criticisms levelled at the US president from his own turf: "This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the devil. It smells of sulphur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1877243,00.html

[gorbal]

152. YOu can read some excerpts from "Hegemony" here-

http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm

"Cuba in The Crosshairs" is interesting-

http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm

[Judi Lynn]

154. Chavez already proved himself to people of good will long ago.

He doesn't need to keep proving himself to right-wingers every day in the U.S.

Most DU'ers who read much are well aware of the generous gestures made by Venezuela IMMEDIATELY after Hurricane Katrina of all KINDS of assistance, in abundance.

We followed with interest the growing number of states which had Democratic Representatives searching for a better heating oil price last winter, for their needy constituents. They begged for help from the largest American oil companies, and were blown off abruptly. Apparently it's unamerican to ask U.S. oil men to help their fellow Americans.

These same Congressmen, as well as representatives of various Native American tribes went to ask for help from Venezuela AFTER being shoved out by oil companies here. They ALL received deeply discounted oil for their neediest citizens. A bunch of Democratic Congressfolk were involved, starting with William Delahunt, from Boston, as the number of states grew to include Maine, New York, Vermont, Delaware, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and others.

Those of us with memories which retain information longer than a few months don't need to see daily affirmations of Hugo Chavez's worthiness. He established his character in the world long ago.

[hollowdweller]

161. I loved the part about the sulfur smell -hilarious

Chavez is just mirroring Bush's good versus evil rhetoric.

However I see him forging a coalition between all oil producing countries that will actually be able to influence our policies and decisions in world affairs, not by military force, but by turning off the oil tap if we don't be good.

[upi402]

164. Yes, therefore we are supposed to hate him

... and the sulpher/devil thing is destined to be a classic showboating speech. This will be replayed like Nikita Khrushchev beating his shoe on the podium. The world loved that, and our "media" is shocked, SHOCKED! that someone would dare call our fearless leader bad names.
:rofl:

[Judi Lynn]

165. That old Bush "evil" rhetoric was old the first time he used it!

It was astonishing to witness the fact he dared to insult human intelligence by pulling that filthy insult outta somewhere as soon as he stole the pResidency.

The "Axis of Evil" seemed designed to appeal to the nearly totally brain-damaged among us, the real knuckle-draggers. What a pity any administration would gear its communication level to speak directly to the ignorant, the mentally incompetent, the hopelessly childish.

As the wealthiest 2% constitute his money base, the most mentally diminished among us constitute his voting base. I guess he HAS to talk to them in their terms to have any loyal voting base at all.

[Lisa]

193. I confess that I laughed out loud -- Bush's liking for fart jokes

... has already been reported, and Chavez's remark plays off it! Sulfur, indeed.

The literal "demonizing" in the UN setting may be a bit over the top for some folks (shades of WWE trash-talking?), but that particular quote was pretty funny. (In fact, he could have just said that, and people would have gotten the point about Bush!)

[antonialee839]

167. I don't know if Bush is the Devil, but I absolutely

believe the bastard is evil.

[Matilda]

169. Chavez is a brilliant performer.

He started out with a bit of comedy (that really hit home), and then moved on to a serious
discussion of just what really is wrong with the UN. Dominated by vested interests. He's
right - after the debacle of Lebanon, how can any of us have faith in the peace-making power
of the UN? And we know who crippled it.

I saw part of Bush's address to the UN last night on TV, and it was more of the same. With
his smirk and his squinty eyes, he just looked sly. Wouldn't buy a used car from him.

I hope tonight we might get to see something of Chavez.

[go west young man]

170. I noticed on Anderson Coopers 11 p.m. segment

on Chavez they had changed out the soft spoken female translators voice for an angry sounding male voice. There was none of the jovial sarcasm heard earlier. Only anger. I think Chavez was right to hold up a Chomsky book as CNN in this instance is attempting to "manufacture consent" right in our faces.

[IndianaGreen]

172. CNN ditched the UN translator for their own

who was probably a Miami Cuban that hates everything and anyone that has any kind words to say about Cuba.

[go west young man]

179. I'm surprised Anderson Cooper does this too as I've seen him

being chummy with Michael stipe of R.E.M. I guess I assumed someone who was friends with Stipe would have a bit more backbone than that. It's sad to realize he's as pathetic as the rest of em.

[Judi Lynn]

181. That reminds me of when they bombed and killed Chilean ambassador

Orlando Letellier and his American assistant, Ronnie Moffit, and injured her husband right in the middle of the day in Washington D.C. simply because he was friendly to Cuba.

Oh, yeah. Also murdered the Cuban ambassador to the U.N. on New York streets, as well.

_{George Bush} pardoned the murderers of Letellier. They only served a very few years before he cut them loose as soon as he stole the pResidency.

GEORGE II'S DANGEROUS LIAISONS

Presidential blessing for Miami terrorists

~snip~
ON May 20, in Miami, almost one week after confessing that he knew
before September 11 that terrorists were going to hijack commercial
planes in U.S. territory, President George W. Bush suddenly abandoned
his rhetoric of the last eight months.

The White House incumbent was in Miami to give a speech full of
violent anti-Cuba rhetoric. He did not once mention the word
"terrorist," and for good reason: he was completely surrounded by
eminent Miami terrorists.
(snip)

Also present were:

* Félix Rodriguez, one of the Watergate burglars and the head of the
drug operation in El Salvador's Ilopango base that allowed the
Nicaraguan contras to buy arms, financed by cocaine sales on U.S.
territory. A buddy of George Bush I and Otto Reich, both of whom
covered up his activities, Rodriguez was closely linked to terrorist
activities by secret organization Omega-7, responsible for several
attacks and assassinations.

* Huber Matos, head of Independent Democratic Cuba, who
"distinguished" himself in the dirty war in Nicaragua.

* Armando Pérez Roura, a Batista follower, Alpha 66 member, leader of
the terrorist group Cuban Unity, involved in various criminal
activities in Miami, hysterical announcer on a well-known terrorist
radio station. Over the years Alpha 66, led by Nazario Sargent, has
instigated and organized many terrorist raids on Cuba (all of which
failed). In Miami, he continues to openly advocate the absolute need
for violent actions without any interference by the authorities. His
son also trafficked drugs.

* "Specially" invited to the event were killers Dionisio Suárez
Esquivel and Virgilio Paz Romero, who had the pleasure of personally
thanking their benefactor George Bush. The two men were freed by
President Bush in August 2001 (just before the September 11 attacks),
after being imprisoned for the murders of Chilean Ambassador Orlando
Letelier and human rights activist Ronnie Moffit on a Washington DC
street! This horrendous crime was denounced throughout the entire
world, except in Miami of course.
(snip)

~~~~ link ~~~~



Orlando Letelier, his assistant, the car

The Washington Post
August 2, 1978, page 1
Eigth Indicted in Letelier Slaying

~snip~
Letelier was killed instantly when the bomb atop the A-frame of his car ripped up through the floorboards under his legs as he drove around the circle. He was on his
way to work at the Institute for Policy Studies, where he had become internationally known for his outspoken criticism of the Chilean military regime.
Ronni Moffitt was sitting on the passenger's side of the front seat. She died a few seconds after the blast as she staggered from the shattered, burning car. Her
husband, and IPS co-worker, Michael Moffitt, suffered slight injuries.
(snip)

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/chile/letelier-indictment.htm

On edit:

BEFORE he was murdered, back in Chile, Orlando Letelier had ALSO been TORTURED by the Pinochet regime. Nice touch, isn't it?

[1932]

175. NPR does that too with Venezuelan government officials.

No matter how mild the Venezuelan officials voice is underneath the translator, the translator sounds like a thug, with stiff intonation and deep voice.

It's such a joke. It's also a violation of professional ethics and it's evil.

[1932]

176. He's got a great message, which makes the performance easier.

[lebkuchen]

188. Chavez also said Bush needed a psychiatric examination

That's been obvious for quite some time. Still, it's nice to see a leader who doesn't stand on decorum.

[TheModernTerrorist]

198. zOMG THE METAPHORS!!!

What an evil man. How DARE he call Bush the Devil.


Listen to the speech. That was totally a metaphor. BUt then again, we can't all be linguists :-)

[farmboxer]

207. Why doesn't the Repub Media mention what the Pope Called Bush?

Bush has all the Hallmarks of the Antichrist, pretty close. Why not outrage about that?

The damned Republican media is showing it's true colors once again. Rove can get by with anything though.

[saigon68]

208. The CHIMP is an Evil War criminal who kills